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Seriously?
Guess they better get a move on on that $150 hr min wage

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    Worried about inflation? More than 1 in 3 Americans earning at least $250,000 annually say they are living paycheck to paycheck. https://t.co/jlL25d18qj via @atanzi @economics @wealth pic.twitter.com/4i8JFrMUjO

    — Steve Matthews (@SteveMatthews12) June 1, 2022

Bloomberg reports on survey suggesting that over half of millennials making at least $250K annually ‘are living paycheck-to-paycheck’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/01/bloomberg-reports-on-survey-suggesting-that-over-half-of-millennials-making-at-least-250k-annually-are-living-paycheck-to-paycheck/

Yes I put earning in quotes for a reason since not sure if many of them actually "earn" 250K if you catch my drift

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2022, 11:00:06 AM »
One of the biggest shocks when I got into real estate was how many "successful" people were one paycheck away from disaster. What I thought was wealth was really only the rented appearance thereof. All the high-end trappings which made them look successful were financed, not owned. Several high-limit credit cards kept pretty much maxed out. Every penny they made dedicated to payments. No cash reserves, no equity, and no safety net.

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2022, 11:08:36 AM »
One of the biggest shocks when I got into real estate was how many "successful" people were one paycheck away from disaster. What I thought was wealth was really only the rented appearance thereof. All the high-end trappings which made them look successful were financed, not owned. Several high-limit credit cards kept pretty much maxed out. Every penny they made dedicated to payments. No cash reserves, no equity, and no safety net.

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I've run into this some, and the opposite: Some of the better off folks I know you'd never assume from outward appearances.

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2022, 11:11:57 AM »
Some of the better off folks I know you'd never assume from outward appearances.

More common than most folks realize, especially among retirement-age boomers.

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #5 on: June 01, 2022, 11:53:34 AM »
One of the biggest shocks when I got into real estate was how many "successful" people were one paycheck away from disaster. What I thought was wealth was really only the rented appearance thereof. All the high-end trappings which made them look successful were financed, not owned. Several high-limit credit cards kept pretty much maxed out. Every penny they made dedicated to payments. No cash reserves, no equity, and no safety net.

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$250k/year may not be all that much if you work in in a place like Manhattan and live close to your job, but in most of the country you should be able to live quite well AND sock a bundle away for the future.
 
When the tech meltdown happened some years back, my neighbor mentioned that the majority of the homes for sale in a nearby gated community (Austin, TX area) were actually foreclosures - quite a few were owned by DINKs - Double Income No Kids - where a couple both with good jobs bought the absolutely most expensive home they could possibly afford, based on BOTH incomes.

And then one - or in some cases, both - of them lost their jobs when the bubble burst, any stock options they may have had became worthless, and they literally couldn't make their house payments.

Thinking further back, I was just a couple of years into my 1st job out of grad school, and one of my colleagues (a senior-level chemist) said he and his wife (who also had a good job) were having problems making their credit card payments - they were maxed out. Not because of an emergency, illness or casualty losses, but because both of them kept buying "stuff" whenever they felt like it, and figured as long as they could make the payments, they were OK. I think at that point they realized they were in a hole and stopped digging - at least, he never mentioned losing his house.

Their situation reinforced my parents' wise counsel about living within - preferably below - one's means.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2022, 12:15:01 PM »
Seriously?
Guess they better get a move on on that $150 hr min wage

Bloomberg reports on survey suggesting that over half of millennials making at least $250K annually ‘are living paycheck-to-paycheck’
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2022/06/01/bloomberg-reports-on-survey-suggesting-that-over-half-of-millennials-making-at-least-250k-annually-are-living-paycheck-to-paycheck/

Yes I put earning in quotes for a reason since not sure if many of them actually "earn" 250K if you catch my drift

That is a spending problem, not an income problem.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2022, 12:16:35 PM »
That is a spending problem, not an income problem.

I meant earn as in are they actually doing anything to EARN as in deserve it
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2022, 12:17:58 PM »
That is a spending problem, not an income problem.

Also a "conflating necessities and luxuries" problem.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2022, 12:30:21 PM »
Also a "conflating necessities and luxuries" problem.

A new Mercedes G Wagon and Chris-Craft 35 aren't necessities? That's racist!

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2022, 12:34:13 PM »
I see the same thing as Brad (one paycheck away from disaster) up here in the land of the dot.coms and the extremely high housing prices.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #11 on: June 01, 2022, 01:29:15 PM »
A new Mercedes G Wagon and Chris-Craft 35 aren't necessities? That's racist!

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I have lots of luxury stuff and blow lots of money on non-necessities, but that's now. Different story when I was younger, and luxuries came only from any money that wasn't spent on necessities or put into savings/retirement accounts. If there was money left over after the percentage I set aside for investment, that was luxury money.

I like to use the Ford truck analogy. You can get an XL configured to do pretty much anything a pickup needs to do, and have it be comfortable as well. That's the necessity. You can also get the Platinum with all the bells and whistles, but it doesn't really do anything more than the XL does. That's the luxury. Far too many people rationalize the Platinum as the necessity.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #12 on: June 01, 2022, 01:36:25 PM »
I earn half that and I have no problems living well within my means...

I'm trying not to judge, but I'm not having a lot of success.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #13 on: June 01, 2022, 02:39:29 PM »
Racist and loving it!  =D

I have lots of luxury stuff and blow lots of money on non-necessities, but that's now. Different story when I was younger, and luxuries came only from any money that wasn't spent on necessities or put into savings/retirement accounts. If there was money left over after the percentage I set aside for investment, that was luxury money.

I like to use the Ford truck analogy. You can get an XL configured to do pretty much anything a pickup needs to do, and have it be comfortable as well. That's the necessity. You can also get the Platinum with all the bells and whistles, but it doesn't really do anything more than the XL does. That's the luxury. Far too many people rationalize the Platinum as the necessity.
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Also, people need to understand that making their credit card payments should mean paying off the balance, not paying the minimum or that plus interest. 
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #14 on: June 01, 2022, 03:14:16 PM »
Usually a 250k salary corresponds to an area that's so expensive that $250k doesn't go far.

Of course what you want is the $250k job in a low cost of living area, but everyone wants that, so those don't grow on trees.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #15 on: June 01, 2022, 04:46:48 PM »
"Also, people need to understand that making their credit card payments should mean paying off the balance, not paying the minimum or that plus interest."

Uhm... in this crowd it's

IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE PENNY OF DEBT YOU'RE A GODDDAMNED LOSER AND SHOULD BE CAST OFF EARTH! DEBT IS FAILURE! DEBT IS PENURY! DEBT MEANS YOU'RE OWNED BY THE MAN, .LOCK, STOCK, BARREL, AND SOUL! DEBT MEANS YOU HAVE NO HONOR! DEBT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM, YOU COME FROM SCUM, AND YOU'LL PRODUCE SCUM!

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #16 on: June 01, 2022, 04:50:39 PM »
Uhm... in this crowd it's

IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE PENNY OF DEBT YOU'RE A GODDDAMNED LOSER AND SHOULD BE CAST OFF EARTH! DEBT IS FAILURE! DEBT IS PENURY! DEBT MEANS YOU'RE OWNED BY THE MAN, .LOCK, STOCK, BARREL, AND SOUL! DEBT MEANS YOU HAVE NO HONOR! DEBT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM, YOU COME FROM SCUM, AND YOU'LL PRODUCE SCUM!

Too subtle. You can do better.

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #17 on: June 01, 2022, 06:11:23 PM »
Debtors' prison.  That'll whip those lazy millennials into shape.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #18 on: June 01, 2022, 09:18:15 PM »
That is a spending problem, not an income problem.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #19 on: June 01, 2022, 09:30:37 PM »


IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE PENNY OF DEBT YOU'RE A GODDDAMNED LOSER AND SHOULD BE CAST OFF EARTH! DEBT IS FAILURE! DEBT IS PENURY! DEBT MEANS YOU'RE OWNED BY THE MAN, .LOCK, STOCK, BARREL, AND SOUL! DEBT MEANS YOU HAVE NO HONOR! DEBT MEANS YOU'RE SCUM, YOU COME FROM SCUM, AND YOU'LL PRODUCE SCUM!


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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #20 on: June 01, 2022, 11:38:13 PM »
I'm trying to think of what jobs of people under 40 (millennials) actually pay $250k.

Granted I live in Iowa, so my world view on salaries is a bit skewed.

I can think of these careers

Specialty Doctors
Some of the Master's of Nursing
Some of the PAs

Middle to Upper Managers
Certain Engineers
Certain Computer fields
Really good lawyers
Really good sales people/relators
Entrepreneurs
Rental Property Owners
Large Farmer
Fund Managers
Iowa- 88% more livable that the rest of the US

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #21 on: June 01, 2022, 11:44:34 PM »
ARNPs and PAs don't make $250k anywhere that I know of.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #22 on: June 01, 2022, 11:58:19 PM »
I'm trying to think of what jobs of people under 40 (millennials) actually pay $250k.

Granted I live in Iowa, so my world view on salaries is a bit skewed.

I can think of these careers

Specialty Doctors
Some of the Master's of Nursing
Some of the PAs

Middle to Upper Managers
Certain Engineers
Certain Computer fields
Really good lawyers
Really good sales people/relators
Entrepreneurs
Rental Property Owners
Large Farmer
Fund Managers
Many politicians, Chicago building inspectors, and others on the take (including family members)
Participants in various criminal activities
Crane operators at West Coast ports (Not sure how old they have to be to become "full" operators)
People with degrees in Medieval French transgender womyn's poetry
Some stockbrokers and investment analysts
A handful of authors and artists

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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #23 on: June 02, 2022, 12:01:36 AM »
I heard on the teevee this morning that grad degrees in AI are pulling $1 mil plus starting salaries at the FAANG companies.
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Re: "Earning" $250k a/year and yet still living paycheck to paycheck
« Reply #24 on: June 02, 2022, 01:59:43 AM »
A new Mercedes G Wagon and Chris-Craft 35 aren't necessities? That's racist!

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