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Title: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 19, 2012, 10:08:26 AM
http://dailycaller.com/2012/11/18/rubio-makes-his-iowa-debut-as-possible-future-of-the-republican-party/

I don't remember which of the numerous recent post-election threads here we posited this in, but there was much lamenting and gnashing of teeth and rending of garments due to the probable options in 2016 for POTUS.  Jindal, Rubio, Jeb Bush and the other "Hispanic-courting" elements of the GOP.

This is the RNC trying to put the kaibash on grass roots activism, plain and simple.

One week after the election, though?  Wow.  4 more years of campaigning.  Ugh.

I'm wondering when the election cycle will actually begin prior to the preceding election.  When that happens, will it form a singularity and suck Mordor on the Potomac into itself?  Kind of like Chris Christie eating himself starting at the belly button?  One can hope.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 19, 2012, 10:41:19 AM
2016 is on other side of a very, very deep chasm that not even illegal aliens can get across.  It is not going to be business as usual from here to there.

These GOP masterminds are dreaming if they think the answer to America's woes is to go Latin.  We are where we are today in no small part because of letting our borders go unguarded.  It's not just the latinos who are here taking jobs and welfare, it's the blacks they've displaced and made lifetime welfare recipients, the unions that have used illegals to puff themselves up, and the white middle-class that works for the welfare empire.

We are slowly but surely setting up a plantation system in the United States and the GOP hierarchs plan to be in the padron class.

It is all sadly laughable.

The ugly reality of all of it is this: We are their bitches.  Until we understand that and start to say no way, it is all just a joke--on us.

The United States has become a movie with a bad script, bad director, and bad actors that a lot of us are ready to get up and leave, demanding our money back. 
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: SADShooter on November 19, 2012, 11:03:34 AM
2016 is on other side of a very, very deep chasm that not even illegal aliens can get across.  It is not going to be business as usual from here to there.

These GOP masterminds are dreaming if they think the answer to America's woes is to go Latin.  We are where we are today in no small part because of letting our borders go unguarded.  It's not just the latinos who are here taking jobs and welfare, it's the blacks they've displaced and made lifetime welfare recipients, the unions that have used illegals to puff themselves up, and the white middle-class that works for the welfare empire.

We are slowly but surely setting up a plantation system in the United States and the GOP hierarchs plan to be in the padron class.

It is all sadly laughable.

The ugly reality of all of it is this: We are their bitches.  Until we understand that and start to say no way, it is all just a joke--on us.

The United States has become a movie with a bad script, bad director, and bad actors that a lot of us are ready to get up and leave, demanding our money back. 

Incredibly apt, except you forgot the armed guards waiting at the exits, ready to herd us back to our seats so we may cry through the credits and outtakes.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: seeker_two on November 19, 2012, 12:32:06 PM
I just think it's funny that the GOP thinks that it has a future....
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: TommyGunn on November 19, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
Right, it's all over, let's pack it up and go home.  Move along, nothing to see here .....



 :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 19, 2012, 01:11:20 PM
The GOP may not have a future, but that's their fault, not the failing of the core principles they have purported to support.

We need a true populist movement centered on those same principles, and that is just beginning even as the GOP is nearing its end.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Scout26 on November 19, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
The whole problem I have with the Illegal Immigration problem is that we had Amnesty in the mid-80's.  The fed.gov was supposed to fix the problem so that we would not have to do it again.

That's the problem I have with "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", is that it's "Amnesty only", but still won't correct the illegal immigration problem. 
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 19, 2012, 11:26:51 PM
What we need is a viable third party, but I don't see any way for that to become reality.

My wife is from another country (here legally, thank you), and we were there visiting a few years ago during the run-up to their presidential election. I don't recall specifics but there were something like six genuine parties and candidates involved. The election itself was two stages -- the first stage eliminated all but two or three top vote-getters, then there was another month or six weeks of campaigning and coalition forming, followed by the final election.

I found myself wishing we had something like that here ...
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 20, 2012, 12:25:42 AM
The whole problem I have with the Illegal Immigration problem is that we had Amnesty in the mid-80's.  The fed.gov was supposed to fix the problem so that we would not have to do it again.

That's the problem I have with "Comprehensive Immigration Reform", is that it's "Amnesty only", but still won't correct the illegal immigration problem. 

Neither party can get off script.  They don't want to touch birthright citizenship or chain migration/family reunification, both of which need to be eliminated.  They refuse to make real cuts or restrictions in the welfare state, especially as it applies to immigrants both legal and illegal.  As it is, it is not about a pathway to citizenship, it is really about a) a pathway to citizenship irrelevancy and b) a pathway to utter national insolvency.

The open borders constituencies, in both parties, control this debate, and it is going to take a lot of work, and some raw talk, to get through the flapdoodle.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 20, 2012, 10:57:22 AM
The Republican Party, let it be said, is for all intents and purposes a liberal party.  It does not disagree in principle with most of the Progressive principles; it just makes sure that its friends at the top get a nice share of the spoils.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 20, 2012, 05:36:33 PM
This is what happens when you try and ignore the Ron Paul movement... (http://www.dailypaul.com/263763/this-is-what-happens-when-you-try-and-ignore-the-ron-paul-movement-from-epj)


Romney in La Jolla, CA...

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 :rofl:
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: lee n. field on November 20, 2012, 06:24:22 PM
This is what happens when you try and ignore the Ron Paul movement... (http://www.dailypaul.com/263763/this-is-what-happens-when-you-try-and-ignore-the-ron-paul-movement-from-epj)



Yup.  And as I recall, ---Limbaugh-ism deleted--- Al Gore larded up, and grew a goatee after his failed election.

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http://www.dailypaul.com (http://www.dailypaul.com)

I had no idea that site existed.  Bookmark.

Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 20, 2012, 06:36:58 PM
He looks the way I feel.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on November 20, 2012, 11:35:06 PM
He looks the way I feel.

You feel like Bruce Campbell after getting an arsewhooping from the Army of Darkness?   :rofl:
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 21, 2012, 01:29:56 AM
You feel like Bruce Campbell after getting an arsewhooping from the Army of Darkness?   :rofl:


Racist.  :police:
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 21, 2012, 10:02:09 AM
Wait for the Mitt Romney, Mormon Hitman thriller series, available on Kindle.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: MechAg94 on November 26, 2012, 12:00:39 PM
This is what happens when you try and ignore the Ron Paul movement... (http://www.dailypaul.com/263763/this-is-what-happens-when-you-try-and-ignore-the-ron-paul-movement-from-epj)


 :rofl:
Not just the Ron Paul movement.  A lot of Tea Party voters felt ignored by the Republican Establishment.  When you fail to listen to your own grass roots, you are doomed to fail.  The democrat do a very good job of at least paying lip service to their various grass roots movements.  It doesn't say much for the political skills of the Replublican Establishment that they would try to ignore or avoid theirs.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: makattak on November 26, 2012, 12:06:26 PM
Not just the Ron Paul movement.  A lot of Tea Party voters felt ignored by the Republican Establishment.  When you fail to listen to your own grass roots, you are doomed to fail.  The democrat do a very good job of at least paying lip service to their various grass roots movements.  It doesn't say much for the political skills of the Replublican Establishment that they would try to ignore or avoid theirs.

The Republican establishment is ashamed of their base. It makes them unpopular at parties and with the press.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Balog on November 26, 2012, 04:53:19 PM
The Republican establishment is ashamed of their base. It makes them unpopular at parties and with the press.

Ayup.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: brimic on November 26, 2012, 05:46:50 PM
Why is it that this:
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Reminds me of this:
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Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: ArfinGreebly on November 26, 2012, 05:53:46 PM

Are we going to pretend that the vote fraud was simply not a factor?
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Balog on November 26, 2012, 06:29:21 PM
Are we going to pretend that the vote fraud was simply not a factor?

I haven't seen any indication that it decisively tipped the scales in any/enough key states to have made much of a difference.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Strings on November 26, 2012, 07:27:51 PM
Have seen it stated elsewhere that voter fraud wasn't enough to effect the national elections, but may have been a factor in some state and local races...
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Fitz on November 26, 2012, 08:34:42 PM
When voter fraud is blamed, it's usually just people not wanting to admit one of three things:

1) their candidate was *expletive deleted*it

2)the American people are stupid

3) both 1 and 2
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: MillCreek on November 26, 2012, 08:38:38 PM
When voter fraud is blamed, it's usually just people not wanting to admit one of three things:

1) their candidate was *expletive deleted*

2)the American people are stupid

3) both 1 and 2

4) And besides, the Repub hierarchy said that if we just had those pesky minorities and young people show photo ID when voting, all those fraud problems would be solved.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: seeker_two on November 26, 2012, 09:16:53 PM
http://www.businessinsider.com/grover-norquist-pledge-republicans-mccain-graham-saxby-chambliss-fiscal-cliff-revenues-taxes-2012-11?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+clusterstock+(ClusterStock)

Didn't take long for the GOP to show its true colors....

Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 26, 2012, 09:50:58 PM
Voter fraud is but the last layer of the cultural onion.  Start peeling. 
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Ron on November 26, 2012, 09:52:26 PM
The dumbass R's once again providing moral cover to the spendaholics in both parties.

There is no moral equivalency between tax cuts and out of control spending.

At least we won't have to suffer the indignity of a Republican President going along with the charade.

I'm done with them.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 26, 2012, 10:09:16 PM
Someone needs to make clear to the Republican Party hierarchy that they are officially zombies.  If the House Republicans won't stand up and take a stand, it is going to be up to us to take one.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Balog on November 26, 2012, 10:59:40 PM
4) And besides, the Repub hierarchy said that if we just had those pesky minorities and young people show photo ID when voting, all those fraud problems would be solved.

 ;/ If you honestly think requiring ID to vote is a racist ploy by the eevvviiillll GOP, you really need to cut back on the MSNBC.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 27, 2012, 06:56:25 PM
4) And besides, the Repub hierarchy said that if we just had those pesky minorities and young people show photo ID when voting, all those fraud problems would be solved.


I guess I should quit being surprised when smart people make Joe-Biden-level stupid remarks. 'Cause that's apparently a thing now.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: MillCreek on November 27, 2012, 07:22:07 PM

I guess I should quit being surprised when smart people make Joe-Biden-level stupid remarks. 'Cause that's apparently a thing now.

sar·don·ic adjective \sär-ˈdä-nik\

Definition of SARDONIC

disdainfully or skeptically humorous : derisively mocking <a sardonic comment>


Apparently my sardonic ways were not transmitted by all the electrons whooshing hither and yon through the series of tubes we call the Internet.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: longeyes on November 27, 2012, 09:29:20 PM
Obama is bypassing negotiations with the GOP and "taking his case to the people."  Talk about contempt for small-r republican government.  He is DISSING Congress, especially the GOP, and they are on their knees all too ready to negotiate.  Pardon me if I'm up to her with "Republican leadership."
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: RoadKingLarry on November 27, 2012, 09:47:27 PM
sar·don·ic adjective \sär-ˈdä-nik\

Definition of SARDONIC

disdainfully or skeptically humorous : derisively mocking <a sardonic comment>


Apparently my sardonic ways were not transmitted by all the electrons whooshing hither and yon through the series of tubes we call the Internet.

I actually work on the equipment that makes up the internet. We don't use tubes. It's all solid state ICs and fiber optics with copper lines from most users to the DSLAMs, multiplexers and aggregaters in the offices though fiber to the prem is increasing it still wont be the majority transmission plant for a while yet.
Title: Re: $deity save us from the GOP
Post by: Perd Hapley on November 27, 2012, 10:14:28 PM
i c wut u did thur