Post by: HankB on July 03, 2008, 03:30:05 AM
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COLORADO SPRINGS, COLO. -- On day three of a campaign swing meant to showcase his values, Barack Obama spoke about the importance of national service . . . An Obama campaign theme is that more Americans need to sacrifice for neighborhood and country.
I guess Obama never read Ayn Rand. (Or worse, maybe he did.
)Quote from: Ayn Rand
It stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there is service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice speaks of slaves and masters. And intends to be the master.
Post by: El Tejon on July 03, 2008, 03:33:07 AM
You can count me out.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 03, 2008, 03:39:55 AM
Also: What?
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A new piece of Obama's plan, described Wednesday, involves training veterans for jobs in industries devoted to renewable energy sources. Obama aides said they could not yet estimate the cost of his so-called Green Vet initiative.
Post by: LadySmith on July 03, 2008, 04:05:41 AM
Forget it, Barry, I've heard you and Michelle talk of your termite mound society.
You can count me out.
You can count me out.
Don't be so harsh, El Tejon. They're just trying to prepare us for our eventual insect overlords.
Says the guy who is part of the wine-tasting crowd, who lives in a Chicago mansion he got through a Mob bagman.
Yet another glaring example of that "don't do what I do, do what I say do" mentality common to those who believe they're your betters.
Back to the OP, that chilling correlation needs to be shouted from the rooftops.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 03, 2008, 04:09:05 AM
Says the guy who is part of the wine-tasting crowd, who lives in a Chicago mansion he got through a Mob bagman.
Yet another glaring example of that "don't do what I do, do what I say do" mentality common to those who believe they're your betters.
What's worse is that leftists have no problem with that!
Obama and ALGORE and Edwards are Plato's philosopher-kings who know better than the helpless masses, and they're entitled to their palaces. They are honestly okay with it!
Post by: MicroBalrog on July 03, 2008, 04:11:24 AM
There's a reason that this sort of crap appeals to 'intellectual' types.
It's because at the heart of the Progressive mentality is the idea is that the average human being is a Homer Simpson look-alike. He's not really very bright and needs to be taken care of - and once these people think "needs to be taken care of", they assume they're the ones that are going to be doing all the caring.
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on July 03, 2008, 04:22:06 AM
I guess Obama never read Ayn Rand. (Or worse, maybe he did.
)If the junior Senator from Illinois is anything like the senior Senator from Illinois, he considers Ayn Rand to be a revolutionary fomenter of economic and physical terrorism.
I don't make a habit of watching CSPAN, but I had it on one day a couple of years ago and Dick Durbin was growling on the screen about how our soldiers are terrorists and our president is enthralled to the Federalist Society. He went off on some anti-Objectivist rant (actually mentioning Rand and Objectivism) for about 15 minutes. I was agape in horror that this man had any influence whatsoever over my life.
Found myself wanting to team up with John Galt.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 03, 2008, 04:23:59 AM
If the junior Senator from Illinois is anything like the senior Senator from Illinois, he considers Ayn Rand to be a revolutionary fomenter of economic and physical terrorism.
You mean like his friend William Ayers?
Post by: Archie on July 03, 2008, 04:53:30 AM
I wonder where he went to watch it? Or do you reckon he read about it somewhere?
Post by: HankB on July 03, 2008, 04:56:36 AM
If the junior Senator from Illinois is anything like the senior Senator from Illinois, he considers Ayn Rand to be a revolutionary fomenter of economic and physical terrorism.
Maybe that's why President Obama's short list for the next chairman of the Fed would probably include Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 03, 2008, 04:58:12 AM
Post by: gator on July 03, 2008, 02:03:48 PM
"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
What is he asking for, a private army? What color shirts will he give them; red, black, brown? What a fascist idea!
Post by: Manedwolf on July 03, 2008, 03:52:38 PM
This Obama quote from his "Service Speech" scares the c@#p out of me.
"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
What is he asking for, a private army? What color shirts will he give them; red, black, brown? What a fascist idea!
"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
What is he asking for, a private army? What color shirts will he give them; red, black, brown? What a fascist idea!
Civilian national security force? What, you mean like the Swiss, where all able-bodied men keep a full-auto at home? Or the original idea of a state militia?
I'd be all for the latter, but I know he's not talking about that! I'm sure he'd rather have groups of handpicked people who have no trouble keeping the Common Folk in line. In other words, he wants the Chicago PD, on a national level.
Screw that.
Post by: longeyes on July 03, 2008, 05:45:37 PM
Post by: Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas on July 03, 2008, 05:49:32 PM
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What color shirts will he give them; red, black, brown?
Green.I don't even want to think how much this crap would cost... the Pentagon already takes up a massive amount of money. If you want to create another group "just as well funded"...
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 03, 2008, 05:52:51 PM
Post by: French G. on July 03, 2008, 07:43:26 PM
Post by: longeyes on July 03, 2008, 09:57:08 PM
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"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Translation: I'll create a National Police to deal with our enemies within.
Post by: El Tejon on July 04, 2008, 03:00:57 AM
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So does Obama smoke or not?
Yes, Obama is a smoker. That's how I met him. He was out smoking on the deck of his condo.
Post by: SADShooter on July 04, 2008, 04:23:43 AM
Post by: Boomhauer on July 05, 2008, 03:16:44 PM
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"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Translation: I'll create a National Police to deal with our enemies within.
Oh. Hell. No.
I will not be dragged away in the middle of the night by Obama's New Gestapo.
Post by: grampster on July 05, 2008, 03:33:59 PM
Dear Mr. Obama,
We already have that force and the SCOTUS just reaffirmed the Second Amendment which describes and makes that force viable. Too bad you missed that one.
Oh, and as for well funded, I'll take abou5t $5000.00 a year to keep me in proper weaponry and ammo.
Post by: MechAg94 on July 06, 2008, 04:35:04 PM
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Post by: Marvin Dao on July 14, 2008, 10:44:19 AM
I guess since nothing ever came of that quote that no one could find a link to back it up? Just curious.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Df2p6867_pw
See there. Supposedly around 16:30 or so, though I haven't been able to verify it myself since I don't have sound at work. I've been looking around for that quip too and it isn't in the transcript (below) I've found of that speech. It's almost certainly one of his characteristically foot in mouth improvised lines.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2008/jul/02/text-obamas-speech/
Post by: JN01 on July 14, 2008, 03:46:45 PM
Post by: MechAg94 on July 16, 2008, 02:40:50 AM
Post by: longeyes on July 16, 2008, 04:55:56 AM
I think when the "kids" find out that Obama wants to conscript them, even for "a good cause," they are going to balk. Spending two years in a foreign hardship post sounds good and romantic when you're text-messaging in suburbia driving to the mall but I really doubt today's young'uns are going to get behind it. They will want the same people who do their fighting for them to take care of it.
Post by: Waitone on July 16, 2008, 06:40:40 AM
Carter deep in the bowels of of the energy crisis seriously considered the following plan
--Unemployment is far too high
--We need a way to employ more people
--Too many of the unemployed are the "poor"
--Americans are energy hogs and spend too much on energy
--High percentage of the energy is wasted in heating and cooling houses
Eureka !
We can solve two problems by creating a corp of thermostat inspectors by hiring the unemployed poor types, give them a nice uniform and a clip board, empower them to enter private residences to monitor thermostat settings. If it was determined the thermostat had been manipulated the inspector could fine the homeowner on the spot.
I have to pinch myself periodically.
Post by: HankB on July 16, 2008, 07:49:40 AM
. . . when the "kids" find out that Obama wants to conscript them, even for "a good cause," they are going to balk. Spending two years in a foreign hardship post sounds good and romantic when you're text-messaging in suburbia driving to the mall but I really doubt today's young'uns are going to get behind it.
And when they get back, they'll get to benefit from Obamacare - the socialized medical plan Obama is pushing - and they'll get to enjoy government treatment for the various diseases and parasites they picked up during a two year stint in some turd world dungheap.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 16, 2008, 08:18:47 AM
"But there's no Starbucks!"
"The water from the well is brown. That's close enough."
"Why does the guard of the camp have an icky gun?"
"In case the dictator's rape squads come here."
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 16, 2008, 08:20:48 AM
I can see the brats being sent to third-world jungle outposts.
"But there's no Starbucks!"
"The water from the well is brown. That's close enough."
"Why does the guard of the camp have an icky gun?"
"In case the dictator's rape squads come here."
Can we send a camera team with them and document all the drama?
"But there's no Starbucks!"
"The water from the well is brown. That's close enough."
"Why does the guard of the camp have an icky gun?"
"In case the dictator's rape squads come here."
Post by: Manedwolf on July 16, 2008, 08:28:35 AM
I can see the brats being sent to third-world jungle outposts.
"But there's no Starbucks!"
"The water from the well is brown. That's close enough."
"Why does the guard of the camp have an icky gun?"
"In case the dictator's rape squads come here."
Can we send a camera team with them and document all the drama?"But there's no Starbucks!"
"The water from the well is brown. That's close enough."
"Why does the guard of the camp have an icky gun?"
"In case the dictator's rape squads come here."
It wouldn't work. Betacam SP has a maximum whining limit.
Post by: Regolith on July 16, 2008, 02:31:30 PM
Ya know? Time and time again O'Bama comes up with nonsense so similar to Jimmuh Carter it is flat out scary.
Carter deep in the bowels of of the energy crisis seriously considered the following plan
--Unemployment is far too high
--We need a way to employ more people
--Too many of the unemployed are the "poor"
--Americans are energy hogs and spend too much on energy
--High percentage of the energy is wasted in heating and cooling houses
Eureka !
We can solve two problems by creating a corp of thermostat inspectors by hiring the unemployed poor types, give them a nice uniform and a clip board, empower them to enter private residences to monitor thermostat settings. If it was determined the thermostat had been manipulated the inspector could fine the homeowner on the spot.
I have to pinch myself periodically.
Carter deep in the bowels of of the energy crisis seriously considered the following plan
--Unemployment is far too high
--We need a way to employ more people
--Too many of the unemployed are the "poor"
--Americans are energy hogs and spend too much on energy
--High percentage of the energy is wasted in heating and cooling houses
Eureka !
We can solve two problems by creating a corp of thermostat inspectors by hiring the unemployed poor types, give them a nice uniform and a clip board, empower them to enter private residences to monitor thermostat settings. If it was determined the thermostat had been manipulated the inspector could fine the homeowner on the spot.
I have to pinch myself periodically.
Ya know, I'm not too sure many of those "thermostat inspectors" would have survived the winter...
I know I'd have taken SERIOUS exception to some government bean counter trying to shove his way into my house and tell me where I can set my thermostat (not that it's ever above the lowest setting anyway; I'm a cheap bastard, and blankets and coats I already have don't cost me anything).
Post by: longeyes on July 16, 2008, 09:46:42 PM
One more brick in the wall...
Post by: Regolith on July 16, 2008, 11:14:14 PM
In fact in California they are pushing for remote control of your home thermostat.
One more brick in the wall...
One more brick in the wall...
Which is why I will never move to the state of California.
Post by: MicroBalrog on July 17, 2008, 12:29:08 AM
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I know I'd have taken SERIOUS exception to some government bean counter trying to shove his way into my house and tell me where I can set my thermostat (not that it's ever above the lowest setting anyway; I'm a cheap bastard, and blankets and coats I already have don't cost me anything).
A few more rounds of nominating 'moderate, electable candidates' and then voting for the lesser evil, and people will be thanking the government that they're only sending one thermostat inspector per month.
Post by: Regolith on July 17, 2008, 01:13:44 AM
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I know I'd have taken SERIOUS exception to some government bean counter trying to shove his way into my house and tell me where I can set my thermostat (not that it's ever above the lowest setting anyway; I'm a cheap bastard, and blankets and coats I already have don't cost me anything).
A few more rounds of nominating 'moderate, electable candidates' and then voting for the lesser evil, and people will be thanking the government that they're only sending one thermostat inspector per month.
Or we can give up and let a hard leftist in, just to prove our damn point, and have them RIGHT NOW instead of 10-15 years down the road. Yeah, that's a good idea.
I'm sorry, but it's easier to fix something if you have a longer period of time to work on it. Delaying while you figure out how to clean up this mess we're in is better than caving and then hoping(TMBarack Hussein Obama) that by some miracle another Ronald Reagan is just waiting in the wings to lead us out of this mess to the promised land, or that the majority of Americans will wake up to smell the Libertarian kool-aid. Neither is likely to happen; what is MORE likely to happen is that we will be stuck with whatever disaster BHO creates for decades to come, if not longer.
Post by: MechAg94 on July 17, 2008, 05:00:02 AM
Post by: Werewolf on July 18, 2008, 09:49:30 AM
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"We cannot to continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we have set. We have got to have a civilian national security force that is just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded."
Translation: I'll create a National Police to deal with our enemies within.
Just read the rest of the thread... A US Army sized peace corps funded at the same level - almost as scary.
Fortunately probably not do able. Where's he gonna find the volunteers to man it? How's he gonna fund it?
The guy lives in a freakin' dream world.
Post by: Manedwolf on July 18, 2008, 10:06:44 AM
How's he gonna fund it?
Did you really have to even ask? You know what the answer is.
RAISE TAXES
Post by: Werewolf on July 18, 2008, 01:07:44 PM
How's he gonna fund it?
Did you really have to even ask? You know what the answer is.
RAISE TAXES
But he'd have to raise taxes so high or increase the national debt by so much that it would surely insure his political demise. I don't think that's in the cards unless he plans for it to happen in year 8 of his term because if he did it in year 1 there for sure wouldn't be a year 5.
Post by: longeyes on July 18, 2008, 04:05:14 PM
Obama's model is North Korea with basketball courts.
Post by: PremiumSauces on July 20, 2008, 08:48:04 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZkoKh_A5pw
Post by: MicroBalrog on July 21, 2008, 12:39:14 PM
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a) that by some miracle another Ronald Reagan is just waiting in the wings to lead us out of this mess to the promised land
Where do you think the original Ronald Reagan came from?
Post by: longeyes on July 21, 2008, 04:39:16 PM
Post by: Perd Hapley on July 21, 2008, 04:52:40 PM
Post by: longeyes on July 21, 2008, 05:12:53 PM
I'm not a pessimist, I'm a realist. There are things we can do to preserve what's worth preserving but it's like fighting foreign wars: pick your battles carefully, be pragmatic, do what's necessary. Don't deceive yourself about what lies around you or ahead.
The prevailing culture will have to change, radically, for what most of us here call Liberty to survive much longer. How is that going to happen? What are the good scenarios for constructive change?
McCain is a good example of a non-realist. He's got Big Media against him; they've already elected Obama. Is McCain therefore appealing, by all means possible, with all passion possible, to that half of America that might hear a message of Liberty? Or is he pandering? Is he wobbly and off-message much of the time? Does he care enough? I've said before, I will say again: All he has to do to win is lay out for Americans what life under an Obama Presidency is going to be like for them and their children, dramatizing that scenario with specifics.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on July 21, 2008, 05:37:51 PM
Oh, sorry, wrong kind of sacrifice
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Post by: wmenorr67 on July 21, 2008, 08:22:02 PM
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Post by: Manedwolf on July 22, 2008, 12:40:28 PM
Post by: Regolith on July 22, 2008, 05:13:16 PM
Notice that every single painting in that photo is a right-side profile. Not too original there, bud.
Post by: wmenorr67 on July 22, 2008, 07:53:46 PM
is it just me or can that guy only do one type of portrait?
Notice that every single painting in that photo is a right-side profile. Not too original there, bud.
Notice that every single painting in that photo is a right-side profile. Not too original there, bud.
Well it looks as if all of his subjects are left looking people.