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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #25 on: June 07, 2010, 12:29:11 PM »
Because the people in question love to only release doctored footage that supports their cause.  It's amazing what you can do with just showing selective portions.

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36488_Did_Reuters_Crop_a_Photo_to_Remove_a_Peace_Activists_Weapon#rss
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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2010, 10:06:55 AM »
Because the people in question love to only release doctored footage that supports their cause.  It's amazing what you can do with just showing selective portions.

Yeah, so why not release all of the videos yourself, instead of erasing them like the Israelis did?
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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2010, 10:17:06 AM »
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Yeah, so why not release all of the videos yourself, instead of erasing them like the Israelis did?

Credible source, please?

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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2010, 10:46:45 AM »
Credible source, please?

Sure -http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921836.htm?section=world

Paul McGeough, no less.
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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2010, 10:53:05 AM »
gee from one of the "humanitarians"?  is it this hacks position that there weren't weapons used on the troops?  no knives?  i mean he was there right?
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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2010, 10:55:37 AM »
no less pity no more
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/jewish-leaders-cry-foul-over-paul-mcgeoughs-reporting-of-gaza-crisis/story-e6frg6nf-1225875704498

JEWISH leaders have cried foul over Fairfax Media's reporting of the Gaza crisis, after chief correspondent Paul McGeough likened Israeli forces to hyenas as they hunted down protesters.

McGeough and photographer Kate Geraghty were on a ship in the flotilla as it tried to breach the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip on Monday.

Nine activists, eight of them Turks, died as Israeli commandos intercepted the flotilla.

In his account of the incident yesterday, McGeough said the Israeli forces "tightened the noose" on the protest convoy.

"Sneaking up and around every boat, there were bullet-shaped hulks which soon became impossible to hide," he wrote. "They hunted like hyenas -- moving up and ahead on the flanks; pushing in, then peeling away; and finally, lagging before lunging."

Executive Council of Australian Jewry executive director Peter Wertheim said McGeough's role on the convoy was to espouse anti-Israel propaganda.

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"McGeough's sneering comment likening Israeli forces to hyenas gives away his bias, as does his failure to report on the links of the (Turkish extremist group) IHH to Hamas, al-Qa'ida and other jihadi groups.

"The alleged humanitarian purpose of the Gaza flotilla was a sham. It was intended as an exercise in propaganda and there can be no doubt that McGeough was there to further that purpose."

Australia/Israel & Jewish Affairs Council executive director Colin Rubenstein said McGeough's language was "inflammatory" and ignored the extremist elements behind the flotilla.

Australians for Palestine spokesman Michael Shaik said McGeough's hyena comparison was "a colourful description but I wouldn't call it inaccurate".

He denied the operation had been orchestrated by the IHH, saying he devised the idea in 2006, even before Hamas seized control of Gaza. Mr Shaik complained that for the first three days of the crisis, international observers had heard only the Israeli point of view.
It is much more powerful to seek Truth for one's self.  Seeing and hearing that others seem to have found it can be a motivation.  With me, I was drawn because of much error and bad judgment on my part. Confronting one's own errors and bad judgment is a very life altering situation.  Confronting the errors and bad judgment of others is usually hypocrisy.


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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2010, 10:55:44 AM »
Sure -http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921836.htm?section=world

Paul McGeough, no less.

Huh:

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"The imagery that was in various cameras is now being edited and put out by the Israeli Defence Force as their account of the events on the ships," he said.

Funny: Edited =/= deleted.

And if I were Isreal, I'd edit it so that people can see the pertinent information, given that the world press has already shown a propensity to edit OUT that information. (See my previous post on Reuters.)
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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2010, 11:21:33 AM »
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTY3ZGI3M2JmZWY3ODg1NDRhMjRjMTgyMGFmYjM2ZTU=

Tuesday, June 08, 2010

Journalists as Polemicists: A Case Study   [Michael Rubin]

Juan Cole, the historian turned self-parody at the University of Michigan, continues to beat the drums about the Gaza flotilla. But let's consider Cole's sources: Cole writes, for example, "Paul McGeough, one of our great war reporters and investigative journalists, has constructed one of the first rounded accounts of the boarding of the Mavi Marmara by Israeli commandos and the way it turned into a game of shooting fish in a barrel."

I met McGeough, among other journalists, in Australia. He emulates Robert Fisk, but does a rather bad job of it, and is a laughingstock among his colleagues. McGeough was on one of the Gaza boats. Let's fact-check him:

McGeough: "The Israeli attack was timed for dawn prayers"
Reality: The raid began 15 minutes after prayers concluded (according to the Turkish Islamist newspaper Zaman).

McGeough: "Pacing the Mavi Marmara at a steady eight knots and just 150 metres to its port side, photographer Kate Geraghty and I were aboard the 25-metre Challenger I…"
Reality: From 450 feet away in the dark, we saw nothing and our description is worthless, but we will continue to relate the tales of others as if we are giving our own first-person account.

McGeough: "They [i.e. Israeli soldiers] hunted like hyenas…"
Reality: Bias anyone?

McGeough: In the Columbia Journalism Review, McGeough wrote: "Hamas has not stood by its charter for the best part of the last ten years. Hamas has recognized the Oslo peace process.…It has de facto recognized the two-state solution by seeking to be elected as the government of the Palestinian Authority."
Reality: This is untrue

McGeough: "In 1967, the Israelis could have negotiated with King Hussein of Jordan in the aftermath of the Six-Day War; they chose not to. Because they choose not to, Yasser Arafat and the Fatah movement and the PLO all got a huge head of steam [built] up. And because they weren’t negotiated with in a way that gave Palestinians an identifiable outcome, they fell by the way."
Reality: Jordan, as part of the Arab League, voted in September that year against peace, negotiations or recognition of Israel. Anwar Sadat invited Yasser Arafat to the Camp David talks, but Arafat refused.

McGeough: In 2009, McGeough published Kill Khalid, a book about the 1997 Israeli assassination attempt on Hamas head Khalid Mishaal.
Reality: The first 126 pages make no mention of Hamas terrorist attacks, and the topic is only covered in passing subsequently.

McGeough: McGeough called his deportation from Israel "a total disrespect of the fundamentals of democracy, of the fundamentals of the rights of journalists under the Geneva Conventions."
Reality: Nowhere in the Geneva Conventions are journalists granted immunity from a blockade, and in deporting McGeough Israel acted entirely in accordance with international law, which calls for the repatriation of blockade-runners.

Uncritical approach to sourcing is a main reason why Yale and Duke Universities found Cole's work lacking when Cole was seeking to move on from Michigan. And there is a reason why many serious newspapers won't go near McGeough.


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so many micks wanna hold the palestinians cranks for em.  its disturbing on the surface and the deeper you go in exploring their long term ties and their communist/socialist roots the more it bugs me.   theres that moron brit mp gallaway as poster child.
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Re: Fast-Roping 101
« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2010, 11:45:07 AM »
Sure -http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/06/08/2921836.htm?section=world

Paul McGeough, no less.

So, citing McGeough is an act of comic relief?
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