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Title: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 10, 2010, 09:13:39 PM
I am watching Ronin right now.  I want to watch it all over again when I am done.  I don't think I will ever tire of it.  A few flaws, of course, but just a solid, classic film. [Sean Bean]That's a fact!  That's a fact![/SB]
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Monkeyleg on August 10, 2010, 10:36:26 PM
What color is the boat house?
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Phantom Warrior on August 10, 2010, 10:58:13 PM
The "He must be trying to kill  me.  He sprayed Teflon on his bullets" comment still bothers me years later.  Too ridiculous.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Monkeyleg on August 10, 2010, 11:04:21 PM
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The "He must be trying to kill  me.  He sprayed Teflon on his bullets" comment still bothers me years later.  Too ridiculous.

The police response times to firefights with automatic weapons is unbelievably slow. Still a very good movie, though.

"I hurt someone's feelings once." Some good lines.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Parker Dean on August 10, 2010, 11:23:51 PM
The police response times to firefights with automatic weapons is unbelievably slow.

I'd be pretty slow about taking a handgun to an automatic weapons firefight, too.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 11, 2010, 12:14:50 AM
I'm going out on a limb here and seconding fistful.  Awesome classic.  The car chases are phenomenal and have yet to be outdone by any movie.  A pinnacle of stunt driving.  And that's only one facet of the movie.

I've owned this DVD for probably 10 years.  I must have watched it at least 4-5 times in the first year I bought it, and still watch it a couple times a year.  It's been about 9 months since I last watched it.

Think I'll go watch it again, now, tonight.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2010, 12:31:35 AM
The car chases are phenomenal and have yet to be outdone by any movie.  A pinnacle of stunt driving. 

I'm no expert on chase scenes or driving, but it's pretty sweet to have two great car chases in one film.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: sumpnz on August 11, 2010, 12:36:55 AM
One of my favorites.

Sam: "What's in the case?"

Gregor: "What could have been conducted in a collegial atmosphere has now been f^&#*d into cocked hat!"
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: freakazoid on August 11, 2010, 12:42:55 AM
Awesome movie with great actors. I've always liked Jean Reno, and him with Robert De Niro is great.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2010, 01:28:32 AM
Awesome movie with great actors. I've always liked Jean Reno, and him with Robert De Niro is great.

Exactly.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: sumpnz on August 11, 2010, 02:32:42 AM
I'm no expert on chase scenes or driving, but it's pretty sweet to have two great car chases in one film.

That's Frankenheimer for you.  Same guy that directed "Grand Prix".
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: seeker_two on August 11, 2010, 05:53:48 AM
Awesome movie with great actors. I've always liked Jean Reno, and him with Robert De Niro is great.

Same here....but this was the only movie that I didn't like Sean Bean in...he's leading star material, not sniveling henchman....guess I've been watching too many of the Sharpes movies lately....
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: SADShooter on August 11, 2010, 09:18:42 AM
The flaws irritate me also. Self-surgery to remove an abdominal bullet?

But the good far outweighs the bad. A definite classic.

I saw it in the theater with a group of guys. This sequence:

Bean: "Not done too well have you, last few wars?"

De Niro: "Perhaps not, but at least we don't go around whining about it."

brought us to our feet cheering. Good stuff.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Monkeyleg on August 11, 2010, 09:37:11 AM
I don't mean to pick on "Ronin" when I ask this, but when did driving the wrong way on freeways in chase scenes come into vogue in movies? It seems like just about every movie with a chase scene has a wrong way part. The "Bourne" series, "Taken" and "Ronin" come to mind immediately, but I've seen others.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: roo_ster on August 11, 2010, 12:46:19 PM
I'd be pretty slow about taking a handgun to an automatic weapons firefight, too.

[Sean Bean]That's a fact!  That's a fact![/SB]

Plot, script, execution, character development...all there.

Ronin is a great movie.  Too much to mention, but the fact that the dude lets the skater hang and she gets it marks it as an order of magnitude grittier than standard action/thriller film fare.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 11, 2010, 05:27:32 PM
Same here....but this was the only movie that I didn't like Sean Bean in...he's leading star material, not sniveling henchman....guess I've been watching too many of the Sharpes movies lately....


I like him, too, but you can't blame Ronin for the fact that he keeps playing supporting actors or, at best, the evil nemesis.  Look at LotR, National Treasure, Goldeneye or Equilibrium. 
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on August 11, 2010, 07:47:37 PM
"Are you worried about saving your own skin?"

"Yeah, I am.  It covers my body."
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: seeker_two on August 11, 2010, 08:18:05 PM

I like him, too, but you can't blame Ronin for the fact that he keeps playing supporting actors or, at best, the evil nemesis.  Look at LotR, National Treasure, Goldeneye or Equilibrium. 

Yeah....but those were much better roles (esp. the villian roles) for Bean than playing a sniveling weasel in Ronin....but he was even good in that....
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: zahc on August 11, 2010, 08:28:52 PM
I thought this would be a samurai movie; if so, it sounds a lot different than the other samurai movies I've seen.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: SADShooter on August 11, 2010, 08:39:58 PM
zahc, they do talk about some famous samurai.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: sumpnz on August 11, 2010, 11:22:34 PM
zahc, they do talk about some famous samurai.

Jean-Pierre: The ronin could have hired themselves to new masters. They could have fought for themselves. But they chose honor. They chose myth.

Sam: They chose wrong.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Balog on August 12, 2010, 12:10:40 AM
One of my very favorite movies, in spite of the admittedly annoying flaws.

The car chases are done all in real life, no trick photography or cgi. Never matched for real chase scenes, and it never will be.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Cromlech on August 12, 2010, 05:33:15 AM
I think Sean Bean is an excellent supporting actor, but yes, it would be nice to see him in a leading role from time to time. I remember this from a few years back:

OUTLAW trailer - uncut version  (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4IdSnUEhtQ)

Basically a kind of 'Death Wish' for the UK.

As for Ronin, I love it.

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Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: SADShooter on August 12, 2010, 09:49:01 AM
For anyone who hasn't seen the films, Sean Bean is fantastic as Richard Sharpe. (The first couple of series. The latter plots get a little thin.)
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on August 12, 2010, 11:31:56 AM
I thought this would be a samurai movie; if so, it sounds a lot different than the other samurai movies I've seen.

It's about spies in Europe after the fall of the USSR/combloc.  The spies are now masterless not unlike the ronin of feudal Japan, and they get hired on to perform a job.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: tyme on August 12, 2010, 12:32:11 PM
I like Stellan SkarsgÃ¥rd's character the most.  I can't wait to see him in the U.S. remake of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Angel Eyes on August 12, 2010, 04:12:50 PM
I like Stellan SkarsgÃ¥rd's character the most.  I can't wait to see him in the U.S. remake of Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.

He has a small role in Savior in which he's quite good.  I wished he had more screen time in that one, or perhaps had been the lead instead of whats-his-name.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Cromlech on August 12, 2010, 06:27:38 PM
I like Stellan Skarsgård's character the most.

Sam: Good reflexes.
Gregor: Oh yeah, they die hard.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Monkeyleg on August 12, 2010, 06:42:45 PM
Speaking of reflexes:

Sam: "I ambushed you with a cup of coffee!"
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 12, 2010, 11:37:32 PM
I like Stellan SkarsgÃ¥rd's character the most. 

"I don't particularly like you."  Great delivery.

I wish Larry had a little more development.  He was no super-spy, didn't even speak French, but he did his job and was a short-order cook to boot. 
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 13, 2010, 01:00:32 AM
The flaws irritate me also. Self-surgery to remove an abdominal bullet?

He didn't actually operate on himself, though.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: SADShooter on August 13, 2010, 09:19:41 AM
You're right, but even supervising in that situation?
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Monkeyleg on August 13, 2010, 10:47:44 AM
What's the big deal? Anton Chigurh removed the shotgun pellets from his own leg in "No Country for Old Men", and Bob Lee Swagger (Mark Wahlburg) drove all the way from Pittsburgh to Kentucky with three bleeding bullet wounds in "Shooter."

Piece of cake.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Laurent du Var on August 13, 2010, 03:57:38 PM
Just to make you a little jealous, the outside shootings of Ronin
were done right in the region I live. You see DeNiro waiting for somebody in Villefranche on the Harbor, one of the shootings takes place in La Turbie on the upper corniche road, one of the car races starts in the old town of Nice which barely allows enough space to let car pass through, but what I liked most was that Katti Witt got shot in that film, whatever happened to her?
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Sergeant Bob on August 13, 2010, 05:17:24 PM
I'm no expert on chase scenes or driving, but it's pretty sweet to have two great car chases in one film.

One word: Bullitt (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0062765/)

You will now be expert.
Title: Re: Ronin (Movie)
Post by: Perd Hapley on August 13, 2010, 06:01:45 PM
I haz seen it.