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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #25 on: January 27, 2014, 11:08:02 AM »
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Or a festering pile of brain-rotting hyperbole in search of someone already disenchanted with the performance of the http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cqkT77LOgY  bolo bullet.

You know, you bring up a good point...but I would say that the people enamored with this G2 Rip probably love the bolo bullet too...we will probably see dumbasses staggering the G2 Rip and the bolo rounds in their mags.

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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #26 on: January 27, 2014, 12:58:42 PM »
I saw someone on FB slagging this off, and I thought they must have been faking the claimed 16" of penetration. Good to see that it wasn't in actual ballistic gel, that makes more sense.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #27 on: January 27, 2014, 01:04:23 PM »
I saw someone on FB slagging this off, and I thought they must have been faking the claimed 16" of penetration. Good to see that it wasn't in actual ballistic gel, that makes more sense.

Dr. Gary K. Roberts is going to test this stuff in actual ballistic gel under standard testing protocols.


Even in their chosen medium, however, it fails miserably. A small fragment exhibits penetration like they claim, but most of the projectile comes apart within the first 5 inches. I personally expect it to perform worse in real gel, but we shall see.

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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #28 on: January 27, 2014, 02:45:20 PM »
If anyone has seen the movie Elysium, the one saving grace of the movie was he had a rifle with this futuristic air bursting ammo that was really cool.  Sort of like proximity detonators on artillery.  The ammo burst a few feet in front of the target and shredded it with shrapnel.  Very cool. 
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #29 on: January 27, 2014, 03:49:52 PM »
Yawn. Wake me up when there's a version that's fissionable. 
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #30 on: January 27, 2014, 04:11:42 PM »
If anyone has seen the movie Elysium, the one saving grace of the movie was he had a rifle with this futuristic air bursting ammo that was really cool.  Sort of like proximity detonators on artillery.  The ammo burst a few feet in front of the target and shredded it with shrapnel.  Very cool. 

Would rifle ammo be able to generate significant fragmentation? There just isn't much metal in any individual round even before packing in explosive and a detonation mechanism.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #31 on: January 27, 2014, 04:17:09 PM »
Wakey, wakey . . .  ;)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_XX2lIT1tQ

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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #32 on: January 27, 2014, 05:43:20 PM »
Would rifle ammo be able to generate significant fragmentation? There just isn't much metal in any individual round even before packing in explosive and a detonation mechanism.
Probably not, but it looked cool in the movie.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #33 on: January 27, 2014, 06:42:04 PM »
Would rifle ammo be able to generate significant fragmentation? There just isn't much metal in any individual round even before packing in explosive and a detonation mechanism.

No. Even the 20 and 25mm size rounds the army was playing around with as part of the OICW program Were too small to be truly effective.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #34 on: January 27, 2014, 08:17:30 PM »
Even in their chosen medium, however, it fails miserably. A small fragment exhibits penetration like they claim, but most of the projectile comes apart within the first 5 inches. I personally expect it to perform worse in real gel, but we shall see.

It is designed to come apart.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #35 on: January 27, 2014, 08:20:06 PM »
It is designed to come apart.

Then it's designed to fail. It isnt penetrating deep enough to do the deed.


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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #36 on: January 27, 2014, 08:42:39 PM »
At 5 inches, if I was to get shot in the gut/chest then it doesn't exactly have much farther to go to come out my backside. Don't know how much more penetration you need after that.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #37 on: January 27, 2014, 09:00:31 PM »
At 5 inches, if I was to get shot in the gut/chest then it doesn't exactly have much farther to go to come out my backside. Don't know how much more penetration you need after that.

That gel used in the video does not equate to human flesh and bone.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #38 on: January 27, 2014, 09:18:39 PM »
At 5 inches, if I was to get shot in the gut/chest then it doesn't exactly have much farther to go to come out my backside. Don't know how much more penetration you need after that.

Because 5" of their bullshit gel is nothing compared to a real body

This stuff is going to have a damn hard time of punching through a meatbag intent on killing you.

Looks impressive to the uninitiated in their "gel shot" and videos, it's going to be sorely lacking in real world terminal performance.






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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #39 on: January 27, 2014, 09:32:06 PM »
At 5 inches, if I was to get shot in the gut/chest then it doesn't exactly have much farther to go to come out my backside. Don't know how much more penetration you need after that.
Penetration in gel, particularly BS gel, doesn't translate inch for inch in actual flesh and bone.

Using standard testing, minimum desirable penetration is iirc either 12 or 13 inches. 5 inches isn't squat for practical defensive purposes. 
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2014, 11:48:59 AM »
And remember the Miami shootout. Sometimes the bullet hits an outstretched arm first, and needs to be able to punch through that, then on through layers of fat muscle and bone, then through the vital organs.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #41 on: January 28, 2014, 12:06:46 PM »
And remember the Miami shootout. Sometimes the bullet hits an outstretched arm first, and needs to be able to punch through that, then on through layers of fat muscle and bone, then through the vital organs.

^^ This.

Attackers tend to have appendages that are outstretched towards you.

At 5 inches, if I was to get shot in the gut/chest then it doesn't exactly have much farther to go to come out my backside. Don't know how much more penetration you need after that.

Gut shots don't STOP someone.  They'll kill him a few hours or days later after he's used that sledgehammer to maul your face into strawberry jam.


All this stuff just keeps reminding me why I favor heavy-for-caliber loads.  I prefer 127gr hollowpoints in my 9mm, 230gr hollowpoints in my .45, and 240gr semiwadcutters in my .44 (if I went anywhere with bigger critters than AZ has I would step up to 270's or 300's). 

Your magic bullet "may" have a one-shot-stop potential, maybe.  But I don't shoot once.  There's three bullets out in less than a second, on COM, before I have any chance to observe reaction of the threat to my response.  They're not in the same hole, but they're all within about 3" of each other and at least 9 ring quality, meaning they're gonna hit vitals if they aren't deflected by an outstretched humerus or hard object... At 97% likelihood of 1 shot stopping power of a typical quality hollowpoint and 3 consecutive hits, that culminates to:

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Frangible BS that maims an outstretched arm rather than decimating rib bones, lungs and heart... puts your safety at risk.
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #42 on: January 30, 2014, 07:37:03 AM »
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #43 on: January 30, 2014, 08:12:33 AM »
So when are they going to put it out in .45LC so I can put some in mah Judge?!?!?!?     :laugh:
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #44 on: January 31, 2014, 08:19:15 PM »
Did anyone mention this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8XcVc_0ykU
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #45 on: January 31, 2014, 09:42:33 PM »
So when are they going to put it out in .45LC so I can put some in mah Judge?!?!?!?     :laugh:

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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #46 on: February 02, 2014, 06:20:18 AM »
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #48 on: February 02, 2014, 09:13:13 AM »
They can claim that "RIP" is an acronym for "Radically Invasive Projectile," but we all know that the name was chosen because the acronym "RIP" has been around for a very long time, with a different meaning. This round is marketed squarely at the people who think it's a good idea to put Punisher grips on their self defense carry gun, and have bumper stickers that read, "Protected by Smith & Wesson."
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Re: G2R 9mm RIP ammo
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2014, 08:08:20 PM »
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJGH7cDFw7c&feature=youtu.be
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