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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Balog on November 02, 2009, 07:11:48 PM
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Survey sez "Yes." At first I thought it was just more ridiculous tomfoolery (which I have nothing against, btw), but as I think about it this is actually a really good idea. In calibers capable of taking the largest African game, one is limited to either bolts or doubles (generally speaking). This gives the quick second shot follow up of a double, with a bit more mag capacity. Plus you can mount an Eotech on it and not have Harris Holland's ghost haunt you. :lol: And at $3500 +shipping + rifle it's way less spendy than a double. More than a bolt, but if you're going on safari in Africa I'm not sure skimping on the gun is a smart move.
http://mccannindustries.com/rifles/458garand/458garand.html
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Would a semi-auto hunting rifle be legal in most of Africa, regardless of caliber?
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I think most places just ban .mil styles, don't they?
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I don't think that helps the Garand.
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Well.... /shrug
I'm no expert on the various African coun tries where hunting is encouraged, so I dunno what the answer is here. Still be a nice brown bear rifle. :P
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Would a semi-auto hunting rifle be legal in most of Africa, regardless of caliber?
They have laws in Africa? Ones that people actually follow? Huh.
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Nah. I'm holding out for a .460 Weatherby on an AR platform.
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Well.... /shrug
I'm no expert on the various African coun tries where hunting is encouraged, so I dunno what the answer is here. Still be a nice brown bear rifle. :P
Didn't mean to be contrary. I agree it'd be just the ticket for Africa (or up here), especially as a guide's back up.
Or if they started cloning dinosaurs or Pleistocene critters.
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Be a great culling rifle too.
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Didn't mean to be contrary. I agree it'd be just the ticket for Africa (or up here), especially as a guide's back up.
Or if they started cloning dinosaurs or Pleistocene critters.
Didn't dinos have hollow bones, like birds?
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They have laws in Africa? Ones that people actually follow? Huh.
Only white people have to follow them.
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Would a semi-auto hunting rifle be legal in most of Africa, regardless of caliber?
Most places, no. It would be refused at customs. Or you'd not be able to get the import paperwork for it at their U.S. Consulate over here.
Only white people have to follow them.
That seems to be the U.S. system as well these days. :|
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Nah. I'm holding out for a .460 Weatherby on an AR platform.
Something tells me that after firing your shoulder would internally contain the buttplate, buffer spring, bolt carrier and bolt.
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Sorry, the Garand would not stand up to that caliber. An AR platform will though.....chris3
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I'd love to have a .458 & .338 Garand.
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I'd love to have a .458 & .338 Garand.
As would I.
It will be a LONG time till I have $3500 for such a thing, though.
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As would I.
It will be a LONG time till I have $3500 for such a thing, though.
$4000 will get you a double gun, I'd probably buy a double in an African caliber instead of a semi auto.
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You could convert a Mauser 98 for a lot cheaper. IIRC, the .458 was pretty much made for that purpose.
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Sorry, the Garand would not stand up to that caliber. An AR platform will though.....chris3
Actually, McCann's been making those .458 Garand conversions for many years, well before Balog "discovered" them. If there were catastrophic failures of his conversions, I'm sure it would resound and reverberate like some sort of Internet artillery barrage upon the first instance. So far, nothing of the sort...
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Garand actions are incredibly strong, the gas system is its achille's heel, but there are ways of fixing that too. :cool:
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$4000 will get you a double gun, I'd probably buy a double in an African caliber instead of a semi auto.
What company makes double guns in African calibers for $4k?
Actually, McCann's been making those .458 Garand conversions for many years, well before Balog "discovered" them. If there were catastrophic failures of his conversions, I'm sure it would resound and reverberate like some sort of Internet artillery barrage upon the first instance. So far, nothing of the sort...
Never said I discovered anything, just pointing them out to the folks who might not be aware of them.
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What company makes double guns in African calibers for $4k?
There is a gunsmith in Lamoni, IA that will build one for $4k. Uses an Italian or German SXS shotgun as the donor gun and builds it from from there. Express sights and all.
A friend of mine is getting one built in .405 Winchester. I've thought about one in .416 Rigby but I have other things to aquire first before then.
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I've thought about either one of the late-run Winchester Model 95 leverguns in .405 Winchester, or another Ruger #1 in the same chambering. I'd probably go for the former, because I already have a Ruger #1S in .45-70, and it does pretty much everything a .405 will do, albeit with more pain on the shooter's end when I run those 500gr thumper loads throught it.
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Okay Necromancing Dance
Many countries in Africa, if not all will not let you bring in a semi automatic rifle or shotgun. Even for hunting reasons.
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Mr. McCann is no longer with us, he died a few years ago. A true craftsman. At that time , McCann industries stopped building rifles. I do not know if they have resumed. His Garand conversions were really well made, not just a caliber conversion but a shortened stock, lighter etc.
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McCann told me the Garand action had been tested to pressure levels far in excess of what a Mauser could withstand.
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McCann told me the Garand action had been tested to pressure levels far in excess of what a Mauser could withstand.
I don't know enough about rifles to know why and how this is, but it's awesome.
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458 win mag is up to 53,000 c.u.p. so its not slouch for pressure.
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I always thought it would be interesting to see what a Garand style rifle would end up like if it was built for a smaller, shorter caliber. I always pictured a small rifle in .223 that used an enbloc clip. I figure you could make it almost smaller/lighter than a mini-14. Something like 6.8SPC might be a better choice. I figure I'll never see it unless the gun banners have their way and ban high cap mags.
A lever gun in an African caliber sounds sweet.
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I always thought it would be interesting to see what a Garand style rifle would end up like if it was built for a smaller, shorter caliber. I always pictured a small rifle in .223 that used an enbloc clip. I figure you could make it almost smaller/lighter than a mini-14. Something like 6.8SPC might be a better choice. I figure I'll never see it unless the gun banners have their way and ban high cap mags.
John Garand originally chambered the M1 in .276 pederson with a 10-round clip, the Army wanted none of it since they still had billions of .30 left over from WWI.
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John Garand originally chambered the M1 in .276 pederson with a 10-round clip, the Army wanted none of it since they still had billions of .30 left over from WWI.
Yeah, I've heard that. That is sort of what gave me the idea. Just trying to imagine how much shorter and lighter it could be with a smaller cartridge.
Don't get me wrong, I have a few of them and they are nice rifles. Maybe what I really would like to see is just something new designed around en bloc clips with modern materials and bullet design. It is unlikely to happen as there is no real advantage and box magazines are more versitle.