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« on: October 11, 2006, 01:48:17 PM »
We've had a few discussions about the doublestandard that exists between Republicans and Democrats who get caught doing something unreputable.  Well, now it turns out that we have an opportunity to watch this double standard play out in real-time.

Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid has just been caught falsifying his financial records to hide a $1.1Million dollar profit on a land deal.  It appears that his political influence, applied behind the scenes, was an integral component in generating this windfall profit.

Some years ago, House Speaker Newt Gingrich was run out of office for erroneously reporting income from a book deal on his taxes.  I forget the particulars, but the issue amounted to something like a $70,000 savings on his income taxes.  

Gincgrich, being a Republican, was hounded mercilessly by the media over this scam, accusing him of fraud and criminal deception and tax evasion.  It cost Gingrich his job.  

Mark my works: Reid, being a Democrat, will skate free, despite the fact that Reid's scam is far more serious.  The media will give him a pass, and portray his actions as "no big deal, just a paperwork error".  Voters in Nevada will re-elect him.

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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2006, 02:51:19 PM »
I have mixed feelings on this one.  I didnt see right off where Reid had done anything so horrible.  Not like Hillary and the $100k profit.  I could be wrong.
But I agree Reid will slide through, unless the Dems are intent on purging their party.  As I mentioned, Reid is A-rated by the NRA.
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2006, 04:47:51 PM »
If campaign ads are to be believed, my Sen Ben Nelson (D-NE) got caught falsely claiming farm tax credits on a piece of property with only a few turkeys (for hunting) on it in Nebraska.  The reported fraud was $110K.  The ad showed two tax forms with Nelson's signature on them.

When the assessor asked him to pony up his back taxes, Nelson reportedly responded by saying that asking him to pay his taxes was "Silly".

Haven't seen anything about this on national news, and Nelson is one of the "Gang of 14" so he's prominent enough that he should attract national attention.
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2006, 05:09:41 PM »
Is this story new?  Do we have substantiated details?  I ask, because I want to fairly apply the Limbaugh "Drive-By Media" template.  That is, further fact-checking may reveal that this initial reporting is thoroughly inaccurate and in fact no laws were broken.  

The Plame "Scandal" would be an example of such a reporting debacle.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2006, 05:34:50 PM »
One of my state senators is widely known to be gay.

No big deal.

However, I've talked to many retired vice squad detectives who busted him in a park in the downtown area in the 1970's and early 1980's for soliciting minors for prostitution. The detectives said they brought him in the back door of the district station, and he went out the back door uncharged.

The media never went for the story, as he was one of theirs.

I've asked these detectives to gun on the record with their reports, but they're afraid, as they well should be. After all, we're talking about the richest man in the US Senate.

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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2006, 05:36:45 PM »
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Is this story new?  Do we have substantiated details?  I ask, because I want to fairly apply the Limbaugh "Drive-By Media" template.  That is, further fact-checking may reveal that this initial reporting is thoroughly inaccurate and in fact no laws were broken.  

The Plame "Scandal" would be an example of such a reporting debacle.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061011/ap_on_go_co/reid_land_windfall;_ylt=Aoo9pwtrNEBCJtkVMVUv14hp24cA;_ylu=X3oDMTA5aHJvMDdwBHNlYwN5bmNhdA--

The substantiated details appear to come from public records: deeds from Nevada and Senate Ethics Committee filings.  These are easily verifiable sources, so I expect them to be accurate.

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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2006, 05:46:36 PM »
Monkeyleg, why won't you name him?
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2006, 05:53:49 PM »
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Monkeyleg, why won't you name him?
No need to. Monkeyleg gave plenty of information to make it pretty obvious.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2006, 05:55:14 PM »
I'm sure it is obvious to those who know where he lives and know a thing or two about his two senators.  Why not just come out with it?
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2006, 06:12:35 PM »
Monkeyleg is from Wisconsin.  Do a google search for "richest senator".

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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2006, 06:24:46 PM »
Fistful, each state has just two senators. Our state has only one who is the richest member of the US Senate.

I've been hearing this story from retired vice cops for 12 years. I believe it to be true, as there have just been too many retired cops who've told me the same story.

What I cannot believe is that those in positions of more political power would not have seized on this opportunity.

My guess is that we just have a bunch of wimps in the state Republican party.

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« Reply #11 on: October 11, 2006, 06:40:26 PM »
It could be that this "richest Senator" has equally damning dirt on the local Republicans.  Or it could be that the Republicans simply don't know aobut it.  Retired vice cops generally don't shoot the breeze with campaign managers or political strategists, you know.

You could send an anonymous email to the local Republican Party chairman, or perhaps to a local media source who could be trusted to investigate and report it fairly.  With the Foley debacle raging, a story such as your would probably get some good traction in the national news.

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« Reply #12 on: October 11, 2006, 07:01:19 PM »
John Kerry is the richest senator according to the first page of Google hits, but I did see your guy's name in there.
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« Reply #13 on: October 11, 2006, 07:40:12 PM »
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My guess is that we just have a bunch of wimps in the state Republican party.
You guessSmiley  Republicans are just no good at exploiting scandals or playing political hardball.  They do it, sure, but not effectively.



OK, so it's this guy named Herb Kohl, who I've never heard of. 

Herb Kohl was paying underaged boys for sex, [edit]and the cops covered it up for him. 

That wasn't so hard.
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« Reply #14 on: October 12, 2006, 02:53:06 AM »
OK, gay politicians are nothing new.  There were reports that Jack Kemp never ran for higher office because he was playing HUD the salam with the wrong folks.  I don't know.
Back to Dingy Harry.  What exactly did he do wrong?  Yes, maybe his disclosure wasnt the greatest but that is hardly a high crime.
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2006, 04:39:08 AM »
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OK, gay politicians are nothing new.  There were reports that Jack Kemp never ran for higher office because he was playing HUD the salam with the wrong folks.  I don't know.
Back to Dingy Harry.  What exactly did he do wrong?  Yes, maybe his disclosure wasnt the greatest but that is hardly a high crime.
He made 1.1 million dollars for selling land that eh didn't own.  This strongly suggests a laundered bribe, a la Hillery's miracle of the cattle futures...
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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2006, 04:53:38 AM »
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OK, gay politicians are nothing new.
Neither is statutory rape and prostitution.  Did you read the posts?
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2006, 05:18:44 AM »
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OK, gay politicians are nothing new.  There were reports that Jack Kemp never ran for higher office because he was playing HUD the salam with the wrong folks.  I don't know.
Back to Dingy Harry.  What exactly did he do wrong?  Yes, maybe his disclosure wasnt the greatest but that is hardly a high crime.
He made 1.1 million dollars for selling land that eh didn't own.  This strongly suggests a laundered bribe, a la Hillery's miracle of the cattle futures...
For starters he didnt "make" $1.1M.  He netted that from the sale.  He initially invested $400k.  Second, bribes usually don't take place over 3 years.  Third, he owned the land, transferred it to an entity that he then had part ownership in, and then cashed out his interest.  That doesnt look smell or sound like a bribe to me.
If you want to say it was a sweetheart deal that was improper, OK.  But I have yet to see what the fuss is.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2006, 05:19:56 AM »
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OK, gay politicians are nothing new.
Neither is statutory rape and prostitution.  Did you read the posts?
Are you equating homosexuality with rape and prostitution?
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2006, 05:24:37 AM »
http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/

has some more info on Dingy Harry Reid's land deal.

be sure to scroll down and read yesterday's info on the same situation.  I know that this is a blog, but if Reid is dirty, he is VERY dirty indeed.

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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2006, 05:25:08 AM »
Sigh.

Rabbi, Monkeyleg's story was not about a homosexual politician.  It was about a homosexual politician who, allegedly, was repeatedly arrested for "soliciting minors for prostitution," and who's crimes were covered up by law enforcement.

So, no, I'm not equating homosexuality with anything.
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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2006, 07:26:43 AM »
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OK, gay politicians are nothing new.  There were reports that Jack Kemp never ran for higher office because he was playing HUD the salam with the wrong folks.  I don't know.
Back to Dingy Harry.  What exactly did he do wrong?  Yes, maybe his disclosure wasnt the greatest but that is hardly a high crime.
He made 1.1 million dollars for selling land that he didn't own.  This strongly suggests a laundered bribe, a la Hillery's miracle of the cattle futures...
For starters he didnt "make" $1.1M.  He netted that from the sale.  He initially invested $400k.
Yep bought one undeveloped lot outright, bought half of another in cahoots with a fellow named Jay Brown, long time friend and casino owner who's name has been linked to organized crime and, (* SURPRISE *), political bribery, as well as securities fraud.  One of the SELLERS was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid backed.  Sweetheart deal?

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Second, bribes usually don't take place over 3 years.
Has No BEARING on whether this ONE did - just because murders don't usually happen on cruise liners doesn't mean a PARTICULAR murder could NOT have happened on a cruise liner.


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Third, he owned the land, transferred it to an entity that he then had part ownership in,
WITHOUT informing Congress.  WITHOUT disclosing his interest in the "entity" or his association financially with Brown.  WHILE still claiming ownership of the land in financial disclosure documents he was required to file.  Plus its a pretty sweet deal, You buy it at a reduced price in payback for a government favor, you sell it for everything it cost you, * AND * you still get to own it.   Plus you dodge all the legal and tax liability. Where do I sign up for a deal like that.  Oh wait, I can't - I'm not a crooked politician

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and then cashed out his interest.
WHILE reporting it to Congress as a personal land deal, still hiding his relationship with Brown.

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That doesnt look smell or sound like a bribe to me.

If you want to say it was a sweetheart deal that was improper, OK.
A sweetheart deal * IS * a bribe - its just disguised, is all.

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But I have yet to see what the fuss is.
Trading government favors for sweetheart land deals, failure to disclose financial transactions on financila disclosure forms, and deliberately concealing an entangling business association with an organized crime/political bribery figure while making 7 figures on a deal whil simultaneously shirking all ownership, legal, and tax liabilities whilst selling the same peice of property twice.


(Maybe the Dems aren't as anti-capitalist as I thought...)
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2006, 07:53:08 AM »
Why I'm spending the time arguing I dont know.

So you have shown that his disclosures weren't complete and correct.  I agree.  Is that an impeachable offense?  I don't think so.
Everything else is circumstantial.
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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2006, 08:04:03 AM »
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Why I'm spending the time arguing I dont know.

So you have shown that his disclosures weren't complete and correct.  I agree.  Is that an impeachable offense?  I don't think so.
Everything else is circumstantial.
People have ridden Ol' Sparky on "circumstantial" evidence.  The fact that the transactions were camoflagued and mis-reported strongly suggests willful wrong-doing and cover-up...
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2006, 08:16:29 AM »
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Why I'm spending the time arguing I dont know.

So you have shown that his disclosures weren't complete and correct.  I agree.  Is that an impeachable offense?  I don't think so.
Everything else is circumstantial.
People have ridden Ol' Sparky on "circumstantial" evidence.  The fact that the transactions were camoflagued and mis-reported strongly suggests willful wrong-doing and cover-up...
Totally meaningless argument.
The fact that the transactions were not fully disclosed suggests that the transactions were not fully disclosed.  Nothing more.  If it comes out that Reid was instrumental in getting the zoning of the property changed, that would put a totally different light on it.  But so far no one has posted anything that says this is a big scandal.  And I have no love for Reid or the Dems.
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