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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2006, 08:39:18 AM »
1. The original purchase involved at a minimum conflict of interest, at worst outright bribery.  It also involved him with a figure known to be involved in securities fraud, and associeted both with organized crime AND political bribery.
2.  The transfer of ownership to the "entity" further entagnled him with the shady figure.
3.  Its not that the transactions were "not fully disclosed" - they either were NOT DISCLOSED AT ALL, or REPORTED FRAUDULENTLY.  That's a different kettle of fish.  Remember Newt Gingrich being hounded out of office for MIS-reporting $70,000 in book income?  theis is $700,000 of shady real estate money deliberately UNREPORTED or FRAUDULENTLY reported.
$.  Gee, does a US Senator have enough political pull to influence how a property is zoned?  Think that can inflate the price the lot gets?   (:Hey, the zoning thing is IN THE BAG if you buy our lot...the SENATOR can make sure nothing messes up this deal, ...)
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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2006, 09:55:59 AM »
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1. The original purchase involved at a minimum conflict of interest, at worst outright bribery.  It also involved him with a figure known to be involved in securities fraud, and associeted both with organized crime AND political bribery.
2.  The transfer of ownership to the "entity" further entagnled him with the shady figure.
3.  Its not that the transactions were "not fully disclosed" - they either were NOT DISCLOSED AT ALL, or REPORTED FRAUDULENTLY.  That's a different kettle of fish.  Remember Newt Gingrich being hounded out of office for MIS-reporting $70,000 in book income?  theis is $700,000 of shady real estate money deliberately UNREPORTED or FRAUDULENTLY reported.
$.  Gee, does a US Senator have enough political pull to influence how a property is zoned?  Think that can inflate the price the lot gets?   (:Hey, the zoning thing is IN THE BAG if you buy our lot...the SENATOR can make sure nothing messes up this deal, ...)
Conflict of interest?  Really?  How do you see that here:
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_The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas' booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright, and a second parcel jointly with Brown. One of the sellers was a developer who was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid supported. The seller never talked to Reid.
Shady figure?  He was never charged with anything.  You're at least as shady as Jay Brown.  And when is guilt by association a valid argument?
Not disclosed at all?  Really?
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_In 2001, Reid sold the land for the same price to a limited liability corporation created by Brown. The senator didn't disclose the sale on his annual public ethics report or tell Congress he had any stake in Brown's company. He continued to report to Congress that he personally owned the land
Looks like he disclosed owning the property.  After the transfer he still owned the property, albeit indirectly.  I agree disclosure was lacking but I dont see a major case here.
Was there any allegation that Reid influenced the zoning hearing?  I havent seen one.  It wasn't like this was during a depression; Las Vegas was growing so zoning changes happened all the time.
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« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2006, 10:08:08 AM »
I'm not.  But shut up anyhow.
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« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2006, 10:16:25 AM »
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I'm not.  But shut up anyhow.
So now you're opposed to free speech?  I knew you were a closet fascist all along.  Probably support gay marriage.  Probably have a Hilary 08 sticker in your garage....
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« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2006, 10:26:01 AM »
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« Reply #30 on: October 12, 2006, 11:50:25 AM »
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Conflict of interest?  Really?  How do you see that here:
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_The deal began in 1998 when Reid bought undeveloped residential property on Las Vegas' booming outskirts for about $400,000. Reid bought one lot outright, and a second parcel jointly with Brown. One of the sellers was a developer who was benefiting from a government land swap that Reid supported. The seller never talked to Reid.
The seller doesn't HAVE to talk to Reid, (although that has yet to be proven....), the money talks plenty loud all by itself.   I expect Democrats to be held to the same standard that Repubs are - to avoid even the APPEARANCE of impropriety.  Negotiating the price of property from a group of sellers, one of whom is benefiting from an official act or influence doesn't just APPEAR improper - it IS improper.  Its called "one hand washes the other" -


From the AP:

"SALE HIDDEN FROM CONGRESS

Reid and his wife, Landra, personally signed the deeds selling their full interest in the property to Brown's company, Patrick Lane LLC, for the same $400,000 they paid in 1998, records show.

Despite the sale, Reid continued to report on his public ethics reports that he personally owned the land until it was sold again in 2004. His disclosure forms to Congress do not mention an interest in Patrick Lane or the company's role in the 2004 sale.

AP first learned of the transaction from a former Reid aide who expressed concern the deal hadn't been properly reported.

Reid isn't listed anywhere on Patrick Lane's corporate filings with Nevada, even though the land he sold accounted for three-quarters of the company's assets. Brown is listed as the company's manager. "

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Shady figure?  He was never charged with anything.
Same source: "Jay Brown, ...,  never been charged with wrongdoing _ except for a 1981 federal securities complaint that was settled out of court."



 
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You're at least as shady as Jay Brown.
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"Brown's name has surfaced in federal investigations involving organized crime, casinos and political bribery since the 1980s.

This past summer, federal prosecutors introduced testimony at the bribery trial of former Clark County Commission chairman Dario Herrara that Brown had taken money from a Las Vegas strip club owner to influence the commission. "

The ONLY federal investigations * I'VE * had the luxury to be a part of involved my security clearance and my DCM M1 purchase.  I respectfully submit they in no way cpompare...
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And when is guilt by association a valid argument?
Since the RICO act.
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Not disclosed at all?  Really?
same source:

"Senate ethics rules require lawmakers to disclose on their annual ethics report all transactions involving investment properties _ regardless of profit or loss _ and to report any ownership stake in companies.

Kent Cooper, who oversaw government disclosure reports for federal candidates for two decades in the Federal Election Commission, said Reid's failure to report the 2001 sale and his ties to Brown's company violated Senate rules.

"This is very, very clear," Cooper said. "Whether you make a profit or a loss you've got to put that transaction down so the public, voters, can see exactly what kind of money is moving to or from a member of Congress."

"It is especially disconcerting when you have a member of the leadership, of either party, not putting in the effort to make sure this is a complete and accurate report," said Cooper. "That says something to other members. It says something to the Ethics Committee."

Stanley Brand, former Democratic chief counsel of the House, said Reid should have disclosed the 2001 sale and that his omission fits a larger culture in Congress where lawmakers aren't following or enforcing their own rules.

"It's like everything else we've seen in last two years. If it is not enforced, people think it's not enforced and they get lax and sloppy," Brand said.

SALE HIDDEN FROM CONGRESS

Reid and his wife, Landra, personally signed the deeds selling their full interest in the property to Brown's company, Patrick Lane LLC, for the same $400,000 they paid in 1998, records show.

Despite the sale, Reid continued to report on his public ethics reports that he personally owned the land until it was sold again in 2004. His disclosure forms to Congress do not mention an interest in Patrick Lane or the company's role in the 2004 sale.

AP first learned of the transaction from a former Reid aide who expressed concern the deal hadn't been properly reported."


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Was there any allegation that Reid influenced the zoning hearing?  I havent seen one.
same source:

"THE REZONING

Clark County intended for the property Reid owned to be used solely for new housing, records show. Just days before Reid sold the parcels to Brown's company, Brown sought permission in May 2001 to rezone the properties so a shopping center could be built.

Career zoning officials objected, saying the request was "inconsistent" with Clark County's master development plan. The town board in Spring Valley, where Reid's property was located, also voted 4-1 to reject the rezoning.

Brown persisted. The Clark County zoning board followed by the Clark County Commission voted to overrule the recommendation and approve commercial zoning. Such votes were common at the time.

Before the approval in September 2001, Brown's consultant told commissioners that Reid was involved. "Mr. Brown's partner is Harry Reid, so I think we have people in this community who you can trust to go forward and put a quality project before you," the consultant testified.

With the rezoning granted, Patrick Lane pursued the shopping center deal. On Jan. 20, 2004, the company sold the property to developers for $1.6 million. Today, a multimillion dollar retail complex sits on the land.

On Jan. 21, 2004, Reid received more than $1.1 million of the sale proceeds. Reid disclosed the money the following year on his Senate ethics report as a personal sale of land, not mentioning Patrick Lane."
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« Reply #31 on: October 12, 2006, 12:00:27 PM »
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« Reply #32 on: October 12, 2006, 02:20:21 PM »
I wish this Reid scandal would just go away.  It's all over the news on the radio and on tv.  Everyone at work was talking about it, and now it's on APS, too?  Ugh.
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« Reply #33 on: October 12, 2006, 02:45:22 PM »
I heard that Reid's son is a County Commissioner in the County where the land is and the fact it needed to be rezoned.  Maybe the plot thickens?

It'll be interesting to see how this plays out vis a vis the pot and kettle.
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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2006, 03:40:45 PM »
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I wish this Reid scandal would just go away.  It's all over the news on the radio and on tv.  Everyone at work was talking about it, and now it's on APS, too?  Ugh.
Bwahaha...

You could just ignore it if you don't care.  That'd be a helluva lot easier then telling others to shut up.  rolleyes

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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2006, 05:39:03 PM »
Um, you understood that I was joking about all the Harry Reid coverage, didn't you?  

And I'm just sick and tired of Mutt and Jeff going back and forth.  If I see ANY MORE sentences with ALL CAPS, I'm going to SLAP someone.
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2006, 09:49:58 AM »
OK, how much Harry Reid have you all been getting?


Why won't that stupid Reid scandal go away?   rolleyes
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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2006, 11:36:57 AM »
Heh.  None.

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Re: Political double standard
« Reply #38 on: October 24, 2006, 11:00:59 PM »
Well, we have a new political double standard for the media here in WI.

Democrat congressional candidate Steve Kagen was speaking last weekend to a group of physicians in the Green Bay area. More specifically, the speech was on the grounds of one of the Indian casino tribes.

Kagen was late, and joked that he was on "injun time," and then followed with the comment that those folks don't read clocks.

Wow! What a stupid thing for a leading congressional candidate to say! The media should be all over it, right? After all, not only did he use an ethnic slur, but he also used some sort of cultural stereotype.

Oh, never mind. Kagen is a Democrat. The media hasn't really reported the story, and the Oneida tribe spokesperson (notice that I'm gender-neutral) said that it was a joke, no offense intended,  none taken, and that it was all in good fun.

Good Democrat fun, I guess.

It was only months ago that all of the WI indian tribes were in an uproar about the re-naming of Marquette University's basketball team from the long-established name of the "Marquette Warriors."

Seems there was some insult in that name perceived by Wisconsin's Native Americans.

But, now that it comes down to politics, the Democrat gets a pass.

May I suggest that, should the favored Democrats win election in Wisconsin after making such remarks, the WI Indian tribes agree that Marquette University can change the name of their basketball team to the "Marquette injuns?"

Oh, and lest we leave the genders  aside, let's also re-name the Marquette women's basketball team the "Marquette squaws."


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Re: Political double standard
« Reply #39 on: October 25, 2006, 03:59:42 AM »
Got a link to that?
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Re: Political double standard
« Reply #40 on: October 25, 2006, 10:59:58 AM »
The Journal Sentinel's version is at http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=522021

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Re: Political double standard
« Reply #41 on: October 25, 2006, 02:57:38 PM »
Thanks.
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