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U.N Making Another Try For Internet Control
« on: July 14, 2005, 06:24:58 PM »
These guys just don't give up. If the UN is so smart, they should start their own Internet that they control,  let all the countries that want to participate do so, and try and make a better product than the US did. Global free market -- I'm all for it. They just shouldn't be surprised when their heavily taxed and controlled attempt falls apart, just like it would if they took control of the current Internet.

Take some time to read the comments to the article via the below link. There are actually people in favor of it (hint: because it's Bush's fault).

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http://news.com.com/2010-1071-5780157.html?tag=yt


Will the U.N. run the Internet?
July 11, 2005, 4:00 AM PT
By Declan McCullagh
 

An international political spat is brewing over whether the United Nations will seize control of the heart of the Internet.

U.N. bureaucrats and telecommunications ministers from many less-developed nations claim the U.S. government has undue influence over how things run online. Now they want to be the ones in charge.

While the formal proposal from a U.N. working group will be released July 18, it's already clear what it will contain. A preliminary summary of governmental views claims there's a "convergence of views" supporting a new organization to oversee crucial Internet functions, most likely under the aegis of the United Nations or the International Telecommunications Union.

Beyond the usual levers of diplomatic pressure and public kvetching, Brazil and China could choose what amounts to the nuclear option: a fragmented root.
At issue is who decides key questions like adding new top-level domains, assigning chunks of numeric Internet addresses, and operating the root servers that keep the Net humming. Other suggested responsibilities for this new organization include Internet surveillance, "consumer protection," and perhaps even the power to tax domain names to pay for "universal access."

This development represents a grave political challenge to the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), which was birthed by the U.S. government to handle some of those topics.

A recent closed-door meeting in Geneva convened by the U.N.'s Working Group on Internet Governance offers clues about the plot to dethrone ICANN. As these excerpts from a transcript show, dissatisfaction and general-purpose griping is rampant:

" Syria: "There's more and more spam every day. Who are the victims? Developing and least-developed countries, too. There is no serious intention to stop this spam by those who are the transporters of the spam, because they benefit...The only solution is for us to buy equipment from the countries which send this spam in order to deal with spam. However, this, we believe, is not acceptable."

" Brazil, responding to ICANN's approval of .xxx domains: "For those that are still wondering what Triple-X means, let's be specific, Mr. Chairman. They are talking about pornography. These are things that go very deep in our values in many of our countries. In my country, Brazil, we are very worried about this kind of decision-making process where they simply decide upon creating such new top-level generic domain names."

" China: "We feel that the public policy issue of Internet should be solved jointly by the sovereign states in the U.N. framework...For instance, spam, network security and cyberspace--we should look for an appropriate specialized agency of the United Nations as a competent body."

" Ghana: "There was unanimity for the need for an additional body...This body would therefore address all issues relating to the Internet within the confines of the available expertise which would be anchored at the U.N."

The "nuclear option"
Those proclamations served to flush out the Bush administration, which recently announced that it will not hand over control of Internet domain names and addresses to anyone else.

That high-profile snub of the United Nations could presage an international showdown. The possibility of a political flap over what has long been an abstruse Net-governance issue casts a shadow over ICANN's meeting this week in Luxembourg, and will be the topic of a July 28 symposium in Washington, D.C., called "Regime Change on the Internet."
The nuclear option could create a Balkanized Internet where two computers find different Web sites at the same address.

Beyond the usual levers of diplomatic pressure and public kvetching, Brazil and China could choose what amounts to the nuclear option: a fragmented root. That means a new top-level domain would not be approved by ICANN--but would be recognized and used by large portions of the rest of the world. The downside, of course, is that the nuclear option could create a Balkanized Internet where two computers find different Web sites at the same address.

"It wasn't until now" that a fragmented root was being talked about, says Milton Mueller, a professor at Syracuse University and participant in the Internet Governance Project. "China and other countries might be pursuing responses that lead to fragmentation."

Such an outcome remains remote, but it could happen. That possibility means an obscure debate about Internet governance has suddenly become surprisingly important.

 

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Declan McCullagh is CNET News.com's Washington, D.C., correspondent. He chronicles the busy intersection between technology and politics. Before that, he worked for several years as Washington bureau chief for Wired News. He has also worked as a reporter for The Netly News, Time magazine and HotWired.
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« Reply #1 on: July 14, 2005, 06:29:34 PM »
The United Nations is to the internet as television is to intelligent conversation.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2005, 09:27:33 AM »
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At issue is who decides key questions like adding new top-level domains, assigning chunks of numeric Internet addresses, and operating the root servers that keep the Net humming.
Heaven forbid those that invented it should have control over it.

They can make their own internet, if they don't like us controlling ours.
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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2005, 10:05:06 AM »
Internet.. hmm who every has the most money will control it, takes technology and people to make it happen. What is the UN going to do? Start bombing houses of the computer geeks who spam? Sanctions, okay you spammer because your bad, you can't buy a new computer for 10 years and limited to 52k dial up, seriously get real like some country like syria really gives a flying foxtrot what the UN says.

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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2005, 10:05:30 AM »
Never happen.  They cant even stop spam, how are they going to control any other part of it?  The whole idea of the internet is freedom from gov't control and individuality.
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2005, 10:21:34 AM »
Wouldn't they have more luck attempting to plough the sea?
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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2005, 10:43:49 AM »
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The whole idea of the internet is freedom from gov't control and individuality.
I thought the internet grew out of a DARPA project.
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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2005, 11:10:31 AM »
How much you want to bet that gun boards and pages would be considered "porn" if the UN got ahold of the net.

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2005, 12:40:02 PM »
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I thought the internet grew out of a DARPA project.
And the US grew out of British colonial ambitions.  So what?  Thngs can and do develop in unintended ways.
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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2005, 12:51:26 PM »
Rabbi +1

Everyone should read "Cryptonomicon" by Neal Stephenson... it deals with this (among others ... many others rolleyes) subject.
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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2005, 02:38:34 PM »
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How much you want to bet that gun boards and pages would be considered "porn" if the UN got ahold of the net.
Of course they would, which is why no entity should (and hopefully never will) have control of the resource. There's tons of stuff on the Internet that I find offensive or that just plain bugs me. I simply either don't go to the site, or don't go to it again if some link led me to a place I didn't like.

The fact is, UN Internet control would cross the political spectrum globally in ticking people off,  much like the recent Eminent Domain crud here united many different people. As pointed out, the UN could never control it anyway -- they'd have their hands full with hackers from every political persuasion circumventing every control they tried to initiate. The Internet has to be free, or it will simply cease to exist (except as a place to go read UN resolutions).
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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2005, 03:58:28 PM »
The United Nations is to the internet as television is to intelligent conversation.

+1

UN and .gov can pound sand up their nose as far as I care.  This 'One World' and "One World Police State" - screw 'em.

Too many IT folks believe in Freedom and are against Tyranny.  Why I know some here in the States that believe in the COTUS  and BoR.  Many that are shooters also paint canteloupes blue for targets when they go shooting for some reason....Makes for great targets when new IT folks are introduced to shooting.

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