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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: gunsmith on August 21, 2012, 01:04:08 AM
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/va-veteran-detained-strident-facebook-posts-17045183#.UDMUXcznAid
Raub wrote: "Sharpen my axe; I'm here to sever heads."
During the Reagan admin, NYC taxi's sported ads with Uncle Sam with a bloody ax saying "get it done America" but with no reference as to what "it" was.
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He's a 9/11 truther so it's OK. :facepalm:
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Came here to post this....glad you guys are on top of things.
Some scary stuff for sure.....
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Once again, why do people post anything beyond pictures of their pets, cars, or vacations on failbook?
Its fairly well known that failbook gathers info about its users and sells it to anyone willing to buy it- including .gov.
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I'm putting this into the "dipstick should have known better" category.
OMIGAWD I HAD NO IDEA PEOPLE COULD SEE MY FACEBOOK I SET IT AS PRIVATE THIS IS RIDICULOUS OMG OMG
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Once again, why do people post anything beyond pictures of their pets, cars, or vacations on failbook?
Its fairly well known that failbook gathers info about its users and sells it to anyone willing to buy it- including .gov.
I have heard (from a source that tends to conspiracy theories, so it would need corrororation) that the CIA was an early investor.
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Report and analysis from a thinking libertarian point of view.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/hot-statement-from-brandon-raubs.html
Whatever happened to the Natural Right to be an idiot?
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Guy wasn't too bright, but well, WELL within the limits of Freedom of Speech.
I do occasionally partake in "patriot" talk on FB but nothing I would be afraid to explain to an interrogator.
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What we have here is the phenomenon of "asymmetric derangement." It doesn't take a village, it takes a culture. People can see that a single person might be unhinged, but, oddly, they fail to see that a government or an entire culture might also be...
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Report and analysis from a thinking libertarian point of view.
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/08/hot-statement-from-brandon-raubs.html
Whatever happened to the Natural Right to be an idiot?
i notice the "report" neglects to show what he posted. an oversight? i suspect not
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What we have here is the phenomenon of "asymmetric derangement." It doesn't take a village, it takes a culture. People can see that a single person might be unhinged, but, oddly, they fail to see that a government or an entire culture might also be...
true, and if you point it out - you get pointed at.
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Why is it that when someone starts waving the 1A flag, they always seem to have said something extremely stoopid and/or way out of line.
Just because 1A exists does not mean that I will live at the edge of it's envelope daily.
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Why is it that when someone starts waving the 1A flag, they always seem to have said something extremely stoopid and/or way out of line.
Just because 1A exists does not mean that I will live at the edge of it's envelope daily.
why do so many folks get so outraged without bothering to read his posts?
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Other then the axe comment from the first article, Have you found what he said?
I'm not outraged yet, but I'm curious. Normally I can count on the media to give me the most outrageous statement in a situation like this, but so far they only provided "Sharpen my axe, I'm here to sever heads" which is a paraphrase of a song lyric.
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i am paraphrasing but he promised that the revolution was now he was doing it by himself if he had to then posted a pic of the smoking hole in the pentagon and said this is what its gonna look like. add in being a combat engineer you get the hotel silly. not that easy for them to get a 30 day stay you gotta get confirmed looney tunes
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Article showing some of his comments:
http://www.ronpaultribune.com/index.php/more/contributors-articles/1267-breaking-news-fmr-marine-arrested-by-fbi-for-patriotic-facebook-posts-share-everywhere
Footage of arrest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-57PzLmHp8
Phone Interview with Raub:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX1EvM6XksM
Well, now he can never ever buy a gun anymore. That must suck.
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Love the vacant look in his eyes. He looks like a doosh.
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shocked i am! a paultribune left out some of the juiciest posts. did they think they weren't out there? or do the faithful not look? speaks to credibility but i guess when you have lil to lose
the kids commentary after that short video? was inspiring after we ignore his babble about nutbar and miranda.
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As a Marine vet who dislikes the fed.gov, nothing I love more than seeing a guy getting deprived of both his 1st and 2nd Amendment rights in one go. =| Better not paraphrase the Jefferson quote about the tree of liberty if you ever want to own a gun again.
And as always, I'm in awe of CSD's ability to rationalize anything the cops do as reasonable and engage in a little character assassination while he's at it. ;/
Why is it that when someone starts waving the 1A flag, they always seem to have said something extremely stoopid and/or way out of line.
Just because 1A exists does not mean that I will live at the edge of it's envelope daily.
Because the 1st was written to protect non-controversial speech that no one would object to. Oh no wait, unpopular speech is exactly the reason it's there in the first place.
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As a Marine vet who dislikes the fed.gov, nothing I love more than seeing a guy getting deprived of both his 1st and 2nd Amendment rights in one go. =| Better not paraphrase the Jefferson quote about the tree of liberty if you ever want to own a gun again.
And as always, I'm in awe of CSD's ability to rationalize anything the cops do as reasonable and engage in a little character assassination while he's at it. ;/
Because the 1st was written to protect non-controversial speech that no one would object to. Oh no wait, unpopular speech is exactly the reason it's there in the first place.
another unfettered by reading what he posted?
this was less a police action than a mental health one i think hes in the right place
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If preparing for a revolution you think is coming means you're crazy, there's a lot of crazy folks in America.
I read his posts. I saw a lot of hyperbole, posturing, etc. Same as some folks on this website.
It isn't cause for lockup (and subsequent removal of 2A rights)
But then again, it is you we're talking to. Any abuse of authority justified as long as its done by folks with a badge.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QIlL1pq1Fhc&feature=relmfu
second generation nutbar
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Because the 1st was written to protect non-controversial speech that no one would object to. Oh no wait, unpopular speech is exactly the reason it's there in the first place.
I know - I was just being pissy.
As long as Westboro Baptist Church is around, the 1A is safe.
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i am paraphrasing but he promised that the revolution was now he was doing it by himself if he had to then posted a pic of the smoking hole in the pentagon and said this is what its gonna look like. add in being a combat engineer you get the hotel silly. not that easy for them to get a 30 day stay you gotta get confirmed looney tunes
Source? The first two are in the ron paul link, and the only article i saw mentioning the Pentagon pic he was asking whede the plane was. Not mensa stuff, but pretty far down the well of meh for a terrorist.
Longeyes is dang near that bad with his divorce talk.
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I can't find it saw it last night let me get off phone to real comp and i'll look more [barf]
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Source? The first two are in the ron paul link, and the only article i saw mentioning the Pentagon pic he was asking whede the plane was. Not mensa stuff, but pretty far down the well of meh for a terrorist.
Longeyes is dang near that bad with his divorce talk.
Duplicate post.
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Source? The first two are in the ron paul link, and the only article i saw mentioning the Pentagon pic he was asking whede the plane was. Not mensa stuff, but pretty far down the well of meh for a terrorist.
Longeyes is dang near that bad with his divorce talk.
Don't link me with people like that. And you're no Mensa candidate, believe me.
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I apologize if I gave offense.
My point was not that you were a terrorist, but rather that "Revolution" talk is pretty common on the internet.
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From what I have seen, the guy was not very mature and not very bright, but compare to the stuff that has come from the left it is, as another poster said, pretty low on the wall of "meh."
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I apologize if I gave offense.
My point was not that you were a terrorist, but rather that "Revolution" talk is pretty common on the internet.
Okay.
I think we have to be careful on this forum not to play into the hands of certain forces out there that would tar all of us given the chance.
I am not preaching revolution just frustration.
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Okay.
I think we have to be careful on this forum not to play into the hands of certain forces out there that would tar all of us given the chance.
I am not preaching revolution just frustration.
The latter, at some point, will rightly become the former if there is no positive change.
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Here are a few samples of his posts. Nothing here rises to the level of "take away his 1st & 2nd amendment rights", but I can see how it might merit taking a closer look at him. Where he falls on the "loud mouth idiot" to "nutjob about to go off and kill a few dozen people" scale isn't for me to say.
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Those posts are the results of obsession over a few singular issues, as well as viewing all information through a particular lens--basically "echo chamber" in extremis.
Not healthy or smart. I'm ashamed to say I used to live there. Never like that though. The thought process that leads to thinking those things AND posted them is...not good.
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Here are a few samples of his posts. Nothing here rises to the level of "take away his 1st & 2nd amendment rights", but I can see how it might merit taking a closer look at him. Where he falls on the "loud mouth idiot" to "nutjob about to go off and kill a few dozen people" scale isn't for me to say.
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Anything short of "I'm going to kill a bunch of people" should only garner a close eye.
Whey they decide indirect threats are a threat....
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Anything short of "I'm going to kill a bunch of people" should only garner a close eye.
Whey they decide indirect threats are a threat....
...they validate dude's ranting.
Talk is just talk(1). Keep on talking, maybe get some scrutiny. But, until someone does harm, tossing them in jail or the loony bin is uncalled for and stalinesque.
Besides, why does this guy (assuming he is fruit loops) deserve 3 hots/cot and rubber room treatment? I've seen puh-lenty of folks more dangerous to themselves & others in serious need of life-long commitment get booted to the curb at hospitals.
I think I get it. He was arrested & sat on:
1. Because dude wasn't so far gone, because he did have enough rationality to post on FB
2. Because his bluster was aimed not at regular folks, but at the King's Men
(1) Treason is an exception, as is assault against another person. That's about it for exceptions. Gov't is not a person, so it ought to suck it up and drive on.
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you know he's not really a threat if you read the last post on the bottom, he needs someone to pick him up to start the revolution??? ;/ That's like a 9 yr old running away from home as soon as grandma can come and pick her up!
You don't hitchhike to the revolution.
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Here's a quote from a LEO who was there. He posted on another forum I belong to. You may want to read this and take it into account before coming to any conclusions about this guy being jailed without any cause, or unjustly. If you go there and read the whole thread it may help more.
Gentlemen. I work for Chesterfield PD. I've been involved in the case, so there's little I can give in the way of specifics. What I can say is don't jump to conclusions. There is a reason he was put in a mental hospital, and then court ordered to be evaluated for 30 more days. This guy is crazy. His family is crazy. Brandon is NOT the Libertarian poster child you've been looking for. He is not a hero to be put on the pedastal of martyrdom. He's just a crazy guy that made some very explicit threats against some people and organizations. I'm sorry I can't get specific, but trust me, everything was done to procedure, the arrrest was good and for good reason.
http://wethearmed.com/general-non-firearms-discussion/why-is-this-happening/
Here's a little more detail about the matter. Noticed the bolded & underlined statement -- which I added.
As one of the afore-mentioned local law enforcement, we were shown the evidence and agreed to help. He was commited to a mental hospital based on what he said to officers and agents after being detained. You guys know me, im not the bad guy. Im not trying to round up peaceful veterans to put in concentration camps. I cant give specifics but stop trying to paint this guy as a martyer. Dont hitch your wagon to this nut job.
http://wethearmed.com/general-non-firearms-discussion/why-is-this-happening/25/
Looks maybe a little different than how some people have thought, no?
Keep your mind open.....
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Out of curiosity, i wonder if they investigated the people that liked those posts.
I also wonder what he said to law enforcement.
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See his Moms vid
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I suppose by any definition he is "crazy" =|
If you're going to do something, you don't talk about it first ;/ ;) >:D
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The internetz are reporting that the judge ordered his release
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Linky?
Never mind, found my own. And from Russia Today of all places.
http://rt.com/usa/news/judge-marine-facebook-raub-421/
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Also got word this evening that his sister may have video recorded the "detainment" proceedings.
That will be interesting if true.
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Doesn't his release invalidate his beliefs? If his world view was real he'd be on a train to the "fema camps" and only al.jones would know
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Doesn't his release invalidate his beliefs? If his world view was real he'd be on a train to the "fema camps" and only al.jones would know
Only to an extent.
Yes, obviously the fact this person was released shows that the system still works.
But there's still a you-can-beat-the-rap-you-can't-beat-the-ride vibe to it.
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if his friends think he is crazy, enough so that they dimed him, maybe they know more than we do. it would appear that if crazy is a genetic trait hes 1/2 way there
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if his friends think he is crazy, enough so that they dimed him, maybe they know more than we do. it would appear that if crazy is a genetic trait hes 1/2 way there
Yes, because the initiating factor behind an involuntary stay at a mental hospital should be based on "well, his FRIENDS think he's crazy..."
CSD: hes clearly crazy he was put into a hospital
*guy is released from hospital on the order of a judge*
CSD: well his friends think hes crazy so maybe he's crazy
If a few of your friends think you're crazy, you'd be OK with cops barging in on you and involuntarily committing you to a mental institution?
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most of the time thats exactly what it is friends or family. unless you go full on nutbar in public and the cops commit you.
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most of the time thats exactly what it is friends or family. unless you go full on nutbar in public and the cops commit you.
brb, collecting some of your APS posts and forwarding them to the FBI. Enjoy your hospital stay.
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And not just any friends, his facebook friends! Yeeeah, I think I'll take the word of the guy who went to war with him twice instead.
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Fitz brings up a good point: false/erroneous tips.
The left already has done this sort of thing with SWATting righty bloggers. (Calling 911, claiming their target has shot and killed their wife, that there are kids inside, etc.) A nice way to put someone at risk of getting shot, sure enough.
Not sure I want gooberment to get all arresty / warranty on anonymous tips or mere tips by "facebook friends."
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I am amazed that anyone still places any credence, at all, in the so-called mental health technologies that are so much in vogue.
They've effectively been the enforcement arm for socialism for decades.
And they're self validating. Don't like their product? Well, you're not qualified to judge. WE are the only ones qualified to assess the workability of what we do. In fact, given that you object to our practices and are critical of our results, you probably need to come with us . . . for an evaluation . . . because, really, we don't think you're well.
It's like a religion with arrest and incarceration powers, mostly subject to no review.
Awesome.
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it was the folks on his private facebook page that dimed him.
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it was the folks on his private facebook page that dimed him.
Yes, we are aware of that.
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Yes, we are aware of that.
if his fellow revolutionaries thought he was flipping his lid.... who would know better? heck homey even said it himself
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if his fellow revolutionaries thought he was flipping his lid.... who would know better? heck homey even said it himself
Logical falacy: assumpti--wait a minute, why am I even bothering?
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Virginia judge ordered his release now.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Va-judge-orders-release-of-detained-veteran-3810234.php
I guess he's not so dangerous that various politically vulnerable people aren't willing to go to bat over it to "protect society." ;/
His posts talk about starting the "Revolution."
I go and do Appleseeds and I constantly talk about starting/re-starting the "Revolution." There's a big difference between a Revolution and a Revolutionary War.
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Logical falacy: assumpti--wait a minute, why am I even bothering?
homey saying he knew folks thought he was going crzy is a logical fallacy?
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homey saying he knew folks thought he was going crzy is a logical fallacy?
You made the assumption that his facebook friends, or specifically the facebook friends who reported him, were his "fellow revolutionaries". Not that I expect you to acknowledge that you've ever made a spuriously specious statement, let alone correct it.
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Many on here think YOU'RE crazy, CSD.
Should that be justification for your involuntary evaluation at a mental facility?
Please, just answer the question.
No more idiotic "BUT BUT BUT HIS FRIENDS THOUGHT HE WAS NUTS AND THEY WERE REVOLUTIONARIES" talk. We all have people on our facebook lists that we are only acquainted with.
A simple YES, or NO. Should the opinions of people you associate with online be used as justification for admittance to a mental facility and forcible, armed removal from your house?
YES or NO.
Any further statements from you other than answering that question can and should be taken as either rank hypocrisy or ducking the issue.
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Any further statements from you other than answering that question can and should be taken as either rank hypocrisy or ducking the issue.
Here's something similar from a thread a while back. Don't expect any better results than I got, Fitz.
http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=24504.msg476534#msg476534
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Many on here think YOU'RE crazy, CSD.
Should that be justification for your involuntary evaluation at a mental facility?
Please, just answer the question.
No more idiotic "BUT BUT BUT HIS FRIENDS THOUGHT HE WAS NUTS AND THEY WERE REVOLUTIONARIES" talk. We all have people on our facebook lists that we are only acquainted with.
A simple YES, or NO. Should the opinions of people you associate with online be used as justification for admittance to a mental facility and forcible, armed removal from your house?
YES or NO.
Any further statements from you other than answering that question can and should be taken as either rank hypocrisy or ducking the issue.
been evaluated involuntarily for less than what he said was in my best interest. if i get that looney again i hope folks come get me before someone gets hurt
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been evaluated involuntarily for less than what he said was in my best interest. if i get that looney again i hope folks come get me before someone gets hurt
So the answer is YES, then, you are OK with the government forcing you into a facility based on the reports of internet associates?
Were those people close friends of yours, loved ones, or merely people you knew on the internet?
Answer the question and stop drawing parallels that are intentionally vague.
Are you, or are you not, OK with the government forcing you into a facility based on the reports of internet associates?
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yes. its my responsibility to control who those contacts are to some degree.
you see i've actually been through the process and through it dozens of times with other. in real life its quite hard to get someone held at all and beyond the 72 hours very difficult. and it should be. then again i am imnhibited by these experiences and maybe i need to use youtube more
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yes. its my responsibility to control who those contacts are to some degree.
you see i've actually been through the process and through it dozens of times with other. in real life its quite hard to get someone held at all and beyond the 72 hours very difficult. and it should be. then again i am imnhibited by these experiences and maybe i need to use youtube more
Good. You've finally admitted that being sent to a facility based on the reports of internet associates is fine with you.
At least now you're plainly admitting your anti-freedom, pro-whatever-cops-want stances.
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Virginia judge ordered his release now.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Va-judge-orders-release-of-detained-veteran-3810234.php
I guess he's not so dangerous that various politically vulnerable people aren't willing to go to bat over it to "protect society." ;/
His posts talk about starting the "Revolution."
I go and do Appleseeds and I constantly talk about starting/re-starting the "Revolution." There's a big difference between a Revolution and a Revolutionary War.
I'm glad he was released, I have not really read his facebook post but I know I have deleted people from my FB who probably would turn me in outta spite, & I have some relatives that make shooting student/deselby look like a neocon.
A couple yrs ago I posted about a fight I got in and won with a homeless psych stalker.
This guy had been stalking girls, threatening to slit their throats and was pretty much out of touch with reality.
He desperately needs mental incarceration before a protective dad kills him, in any suburb he would be locked up but our cities are full of truly dangerous nut jobs like him and the Aurora shooter- it doesn't appear as if our Marine fits this profile, more likely one of those annoying sovereign infowars types.
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I am amazed that anyone still places any credence, at all, in the so-called mental health technologies that are so much in vogue.
They've effectively been the enforcement arm for socialism for decades.
And they're self validating. Don't like their product? Well, you're not qualified to judge. WE are the only ones qualified to assess the workability of what we do. In fact, given that you object to our practices and are critical of our results, you probably need to come with us . . . for an evaluation . . . because, really, we don't think you're well.
It's like a religion with arrest and incarceration powers, mostly subject to no review.
Awesome.
+1
A de facto para-judiciary minus the Constitutional protections.
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if his friends think he is crazy, enough so that they dimed him, maybe they know more than we do. it would appear that if crazy is a genetic trait hes 1/2 way there
Well that's settled then.
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Let me get this straight ...
If the dot.gov commits him, then that confirms he is crazy.
If the the dot.gov lets him go, then obviously he is crazy because the system still "works"
???
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Good. You've finally admitted that being sent to a facility based on the reports of internet associates is fine with you.
At least now you're plainly admitting your anti-freedom, pro-whatever-cops-want stances.
its not the cops who put you in hotel silly well not in the real world anyway
and it wasn't them in this case either but then again its that pesky reality that inhibits me
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Let me get this straight ...
If the dot.gov commits him, then that confirms he is crazy.
If the the dot.gov lets him go, then obviously he is crazy because the system still "works"
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interesting that you put it that way. in his world he was grabbed by the evil minions of the .gov and was destined for the fema camps and martydom. since the system is so flawed. but yet even with some of the mental health pros saying hes nutbar hes able to use due process within the system he says won't work and get released.
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interesting that you put it that way. in his world he was grabbed by the evil minions of the .gov and was destined for the fema camps and martydom. since the system is so flawed. but yet even with some of the mental health pros saying hes nutbar hes able to use due process within the system he says won't work and get released.
That doesn't change the fact that men showed up with guns in his front yard on account of a facebook post and detained him without charging him. That's wrong no matter how you slice it.
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Wrestling with pigs fellas...
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That doesn't change the fact that men showed up with guns in his front yard on account of a facebook post and detained him without charging him. That's wrong no matter how you slice it.
what method would you use to grab someone for an involuntary commitment?
bearing in mind the types of statements he made.
did the guns, in their holsters, scare you guys? all at once give you the vapors? you get like that over open carry too? >:D
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its not the cops who put you in hotel silly well not in the real world anyway
and it wasn't them in this case either but then again its that pesky reality that inhibits me
It wasn't Hooters girls that took him away...
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None of this changes the fact that you are OK with someone being incarcerated against their will based on vague Facebook posts....
You even admitted it.
That makes you an enemy of freedom, pure and simple. You cannot derp your way out of that fact
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It wasn't Hooters girls that took him away...
Or we would all be acting crazy =D
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its not official till you work at least one other buzz phrase in "good american citizen" seems popular as does "educate yourself!" though that does have an al jones flavor which may bother some ymmv
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It wasn't Hooters girls that took him away...
the cops don't have the authority to commit him they do get the order to pick him up. hes fortunate in a way the secret service was nvolved they handle lots of nuts. and are very good at doing it with no one getting hurt. guy i had lunch with can testify. he went over the fence at the white house in the waning days of bush the younger
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How is any of that relevant ?
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did the guns, in their holsters, scare you guys? all at once give you the vapors? you get like that over open carry too? >:D
Funny you should say that ...
When open carry by private citizens became rare, people seem to have gotten the idea that because only police carried guns that a holstered gun carried an implied threat of "comply or else" =|
I don't carry a sidearm to threaten anybody - well, unless you intend me harm. ;)
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Raub released, accusations dismissed. I don't think he was actually ever charged with anything, just accused of being crazy.
http://wtvr.com/2012/08/23/brandon-raub-judge-orders-release-of-detained-marine-veteran-freed/
http://communities.washingtontimes.com/neighborhood/citizen-warrior/2012/aug/23/judge-orders-brandon-raub-released-hospital/
https://www.rutherford.org/publications_resources/on_the_front_lines/victory_circuit_court_orders_brandon_raub_released_dismisses_case_against_m
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So the question is: who has authority to haul you to the looney bin for "evaluation"? (I guess not quite full committment)