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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Bogie on April 12, 2024, 05:15:53 PM
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So, what's your take on the new flick? Looks like "journalists go to war" from the trailer...
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I could swear we already had a thread on that but I can't find it.
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Piggybacked? I'm figuring that it's gonna have da woke...
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I was listening to NPR news, and they had a review. One of the things that caught my ear was that Texas and California were an alliance against some other group of states. My ear did a double take. They also mentioned that war is bad, and people get killed.
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A movie about American Civil War where Journalists and the media are the heroes and their wisdom saves us?
I'll pass, thanks.
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I might watch it, but not the whole thing, once it hits a streaming service where I don't have to pay. The previews don't interest me much other than I want to maybe fast forward through 15-20 minutes worth to see if it's about hating people like me.
I read that the CA/TX thing was done specifically to not send a left or right message, but I don't trust Hollywood. And yes, the "journalists save us all" thing is a complete turnoff. Heck, that might actually be the propaganda aspect of the movie - trying to make journalists look good, given their loss of credibility in the last decade.
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I didn't pay much attention to the review on the local radio station*, just enough to hear them say it wasn't worth watching.
*Conservative talk show
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Realizing I didn't know anything about it except I heard it mentioned on the radio and here, I watched this trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2G18nIVpNE
Admittedly this just means I'm old, but it wasn't made for me. A trailer that really didn't tell me anything about the movie except what they ended with: "this is what Imax was made for". I'm past that, I'll let other, younger, people watch it.
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A movie about American Civil War where Journalists and the media are the heroes and their wisdom saves us?
I'll pass, thanks.
The only place a journalist belongs is in a woodchipper
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Just from the comments here, I suspect the CA-TX thing is a historical revisionist seed, and they were hoping it would take root in order to confute later discussions of the Civil War.
That's how propaganda works, folks. A little bit here, a little bit there, rinse and repeat, and sooner or later you end up with a believable body of bullshit.
And that's how you develop a cadre of "useful idiots."
Terry, 230RN
REF (Wiki):
Useful idiot
A useful idiot or useful fool is a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause's goals, and who is cynically being used by the cause's leaders. The term was often used during the Cold War to describe non-communists regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and psychological manipulation. A number of authors attribute this phrase to Vladimir Lenin, but this attribution is not supported by any evidence. Similar terms exist in other languages. Wikipedia
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A movie about American Civil War where Journalists and the media are the heroes and their wisdom saves us?
I'll pass, thanks.
So... a comedic farce, then.
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This review on Reason.com is interesting. Perhaps the film is more nuanced than it appears. Or maybe not.
https://reason.com/2024/04/12/civil-war-is-a-brutal-intense-no-sidesing-of-american-political-divisions/
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The drinker likes it in some ways but not in others
Says the movie smartly doesn't pick sides and leaves the cause of the war largely ambiguous so as to not alienate members of the audience. In other words there's no real good guys or bad guys. Also said some of action scenes are well done.
Downside, the characters and their story are left just as vague to the point you don't care what happens to them. Also the no real good guys bad guys thing cuts both ways in a similar way.
Civil War - Sound And Fury, Signifying Nothing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-M-fSvtQxk
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It has the "media" wearing blue helmets...
Gee... Something tells me that they didn't do a lot of research.
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I have not seen it, but some of the comments I saw: people were interested in the world and the war, but were uninterested in the people they chose to follow as the main characters.
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Meanwhile over at the daily Mail
It's 6pm on January 6, 2025, 20 miles from Washington DC. 'Four years ago, on this very day, Donald Trump tried to steal democracy,' says the 82-year-old Commander-in-Chief, removing his Aviator sunglasses to signal the gravity of his point. 'He's doing it again, folks. We must stop him, no matter what.'
What a new US civil war could REALLY be like: Rebel generals defect to Trump after Biden outlaws 'terrorist' MAGA supporters... then Antifa start a 'kill whites' campaign. Far-right militias execute minorities. Anarchy erupts. Forget the movie...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13333665/civil-war-REALLY-like-Trump-Biden-MAGA-Antifa-Far-right-militias-anarchy-movie.html
Biden decrees, Trump's Make America Great Again (Maga) movement will be designated a terrorist group. The Trump-owned Truth Social platform will be shut down. All internet sites publishing 'electoral misinformation' will be blocked.
Wouldn't the first part of that be more or less a formally by now?
And then it gets interesting and it's more realistic than CA and TX joining up to attack Washington despite it treating Trump's followers as a cult
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I question whether Antifa (or at least a significant number of them) are brave enough to start executing people. That doesn't mean others couldn't put on black masks and do it in their name. I remember also that one of the "protests" in Minneapolis thought they would march into subdivision a couple years ago. Some shots went over their heads and they stopped. I would be more concerned about more official opposition to MAGA that sends cops after them.
I heard a snippet in a discussion on the movie. It claimed that California became red because Northern California militias swept down and essentially took over the state. I haven't looked for anything on that movie.
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I question whether Antifa (or at least a significant number of them) are brave enough to start executing people.
I think it's more of matter of being crazy enough and I think they just may be and it only takes a few to get the ball rolling once they get a taste of it.
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I question whether Antifa (or at least a significant number of them) are brave enough to start executing people. That doesn't mean others couldn't put on black masks and do it in their name. I remember also that one of the "protests" in Minneapolis thought they would march into subdivision a couple years ago. Some shots went over their heads and they stopped. I would be more concerned about more official opposition to MAGA that sends cops after them.
I heard a snippet in a discussion on the movie. It claimed that California became red because Northern California militias swept down and essentially took over the state. I haven't looked for anything on that movie.
I think you underestimate Mob Mentality.
Sure they won't engage in armed combat in anything close to equal numbers, but Antifa already, relatively routinely, mob up in crowds and beat people they outnumber and disagree with. It's not that big a step from there to killing people. Sometimes it's not even a purposeful step.
Keep a watch on the Hamas chapters currenty *expletive deleted*ing around in universities across the US. There's video of them physically removing Jews from the area. Those zones, I think, will be the next spark of leftist violence. And the Venn Diagram of US Antifa and US College Hamas is basically a circle.
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This guy is ready to rumble.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782066611622740201
I'm not sure that they fully understand how close they are to our side flipping our switch to "on" and disintegrating their volume control knob.
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This guy is ready to rumble.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1782066611622740201
Come on girls! Lets show them we have balls too!
I don't know whether to laugh or be scared sometimes.
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I think you underestimate Mob Mentality.
Sure they won't engage in armed combat in anything close to equal numbers, but Antifa already, relatively routinely, mob up in crowds and beat people they outnumber and disagree with. It's not that big a step from there to killing people. Sometimes it's not even a purposeful step.
Keep a watch on the Hamas chapters currenty *expletive deleted*ing around in universities across the US. There's video of them physically removing Jews from the area. Those zones, I think, will be the next spark of leftist violence. And the Venn Diagram of US Antifa and US College Hamas is basically a circle.
I guess that might work in some areas, but I question how many would keep at it once bullets start flying.
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I guess that might work in some areas, but I question how many would keep at it once bullets start flying.
Most will run and cry but it only takes a few hardcore fanatics to cause havoc and rally the rest. Add to that the media and colleges have done a pretty good job of convincing them anyone not totally with them is a nazi and if they don't they will be enslaved or killed. The only god nazi is a dead nazi is something both sides can agree on but both sides differ in just what constitutes a nazi thus who the actual nazis in this are. As far as the left is concerned anything who thinks there are two genders is a nazi
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I guess that might work in some areas, but I question how many would keep at it once bullets start flying.
Antifa shenanigans are very regional, sometimes down to the neighborhood. That's why, as you mentioned, when they head to other places they get turned away with guns very quickly. They will stay in their little victim disarmament zones, and prey on the people foolish enough to come to them. If it goes sideways (and that's still an "if" for now, I think) you'll se the little "Autonomous" or "Occupied" zones they got going on widen to encompass chunks of cities that will become EU style No-Go zones for cops and people with any sense. Inside those, they will be pretty deep into Lord of the Flies mob mentality and violence.
We've already seen it in Seattle's CHAZ, and Occupy Wall Street. Beatings and rapes were common inside those leftie controlled areas. I'd be shocked if the same thing doesn't happen at Columbia University this week. Let those Antifa run zones simmer a little longer and you'll get full on struggle sessions and beatings, and then they'll start killing people.
Bullets won't start flying (AT them anyway) because they'll keep the worst of it in areas they control. And if you and a bunch of buddies go into a University or Blue city center with enough force to clear them out, YOU'LL be the bad guys in the narrative.
So, in short, they'll do what commies always do: Keep their violence in times and places that they have overwhelming force superiority, and leverage existing structures against their foes. As they gain more power they will ramp up both violence and reach. Eventually, they will attempt to take over the armed governmental functions, and if successful, they will leverage the government against their foes. There will never be a fight where Antifa stands and fights against their opponents. They would lose that.
Or at least that's their plan.
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Here in St. Louis, when they have their little protests, they are almost always in neighborhoods/places where the white suburbanites feel safe and comfy... Entertainment districts, etc... The looting tends to start on the peripheries, and will ebb and flow from there.
They'll have a protest in the Central West End, but won't go up to Kingshighway and MLK or Natty Bridge, Hall Street, etc...
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To extend off what Dogmush posted, and we've certainly discussed it before - yes, they are good at picking and choosing where to be tough guys, and smart people simply avoid the area, though as we also discussed, we have in the past seen these violent protests pop up with really no notice for normal people who aren't on whatever messaging the kids are using these days, and all it takes is for someone unaware to take a wrong turn.
In the blue cities, again as Dogmush mentioned, even someone low drag and high speed is *expletive deleted*ed because if you defend yourself, your life is messed up, just in a different way from taking the beating.
I'm waiting for them to get bold enough to take it somewhere they think they're untouchable, but they're not. Florida and other states have already passed "run them over if you feel your life is in danger" laws. For my own AO, if the Idaho antifa wannabes and transgender avengers ever got enough spine to take it from "kill all Republicans" on the reddit to trying something in Boise (their likely city of choice), I'm thinking that regardless of what the Boise commie Mayor might say, the state AG would probably say, "FAFO" when a citizen defends themselves.
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In the blue cities, again as Dogmush mentioned, even someone low drag and high speed is *expletive deleted*ed because if you defend yourself, your life is messed up, just in a different way from taking the beating.
Yeah but we're talking a civil war here where many of those legal "niceties" that have been basically protecting "protesters" may no longer be in play and their ally DAs could find themselves hanging from light poles. Civil wars are usually not civil.
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Yeah but we're talking a civil war here where many of those legal "niceties" that have been basically protecting "protesters" may no longer be in play. At least on one side.
Valid, but the [hopefully hypothetical] Civil War is *very* likely to be proceeded by a years, or decade, long decent into violence and skirmishing using weapons and legal framework together against perceived enemies before we get to M1A3s and Apaches in DC like the movie. Think Bleeding Kansas or Russia circa 1905-1917, or {at the risk of Godwining) the Sturmabteilung and their activities through the 1920s.
Civil War is rarely just armed belligerents taking to the battlefield.
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Valid, but the [hopefully hypothetical] Civil War is *very* likely to be proceeded by a years, or decade, long decent into violence and skirmishing using weapons and legal framework together against perceived enemies before we get to M1A3s and Apaches in DC like the movie. Think Bleeding Kansas or Russia circa 1905-1917, or {at the risk of Godwining) the Sturmabteilung and their activities through the 1920s.
Civil War is rarely just armed belligerents taking to the battlefield.
Events like Bleeding Kansas usually aren't historically included in the Civil War itself but are rather considered events leading up to the war. When I use the term Civil War I mean full on conflict similar to 1861-65.
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Sure, we're just spitballing here. but as far as civil war go, 1861-1865 is kinda the outlier. They are not usually so confined to clear battles and Armies. (Sherman and Forrest notwithstanding)
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Sure, we're just spitballing here. but as far as civil war go, 1861-1865 is kinda the outlier. They are not usually so confined to clear battles and Armies. (Sherman and Forrest notwithstanding)
A American Civil War II would probably be closer to the English Civil War (parts I and II) in how it's fought
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I think I agree in general with most of you. Especially that we have a long way to go before an organized civil war would be on the table. So far, groups like Antifa and BLM have mostly just protested and does so in very leftist cities. I bet most of the victims of those protests/riots were people who voted for the politicians who enabled it. Antifa hasn't been allowed to do the same in other cities/states. Given the recent uptick in crime in many cities, I really wonder where that would go if it happened this summer or later.
I have also been getting the impression a whole lot of minorities are getting sick of Democrats. I am curious if that will add up to enough to make any difference in those areas. I am hopeful, but I doubt it.
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I know a ton of people talk a big game calling for civil war, like in the movie. But, as someone who once upon a time wore a uniform, soldiering is hard work. And, Antifa and such don't strike me as hard work kind of people. They strike me as people who want to burn and loot for a few hours, then go drink and smoke dope.
And, as I've said before, a lot of people are pissed about (insert issue here) when they post on the web or take a phone poll. But, then Dancing with the Masked Singer starts a new episode, so they microwave some pizza rolls and open their Mountain Dew and lay back on the couch and snuggle with Fluffy the cat.
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I've done some reading about violence in communities of split loyalty during the American Civil War. Unimaginable cruelty inflicted by both sides.
I think another Civil War would be like this, as the loyalties probably would not be defined by geographic areas, but by political affiliation, race or religion.
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I'm guessing that we'd see major cities come completely apart. Think Bosnia, Sarajevo, Lebanon, etc...
A lot of black people are no longer trusting the Democratic machine. Probably at least once I day someone will bitch about prices, and I'll respond with "Hey, I didn't vote for him/the SOB/those bastards."
And I don't have hardly anyone not agreeing... The ones who are agreeing will have the highly effective hair color camo...
I suspect a LOT of blocks on STL's north side will become armed camps - The crips and bloods tried to organize here back in the roaring 90s, and that didn't work well. There's gonna be a LOT of bodies for a bit while they finish sorting stuff out.
Southside, there's probably going to be citizens' groups - aka vigilantes...
My neighborhood? There will be people with rainbow hair and BLM signs sighing with relief that they can walk their doodles in the park...
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, then Dancing with the Masked Singer starts a new episode, so they microwave some pizza rolls and open their Mountain Dew and lay back on the couch and snuggle with Fluffy the cat.
Damn, someone's hacked my nannycam