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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Ben on October 15, 2018, 09:04:45 AM
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She has released her DNA test, which to me means she wants to get it out of the way well before a presidential run. I'm not sure how much it helps her.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/15/heap-big-whoop-elizabeth-warren-releases-dna-to-prove-shes-this-much-native-american-and-omg-lol/
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The result shows she has about 1/512th native American ancestry? I suspect half the country has at least that much.
She is going to have to pivot and insist she never claimed to have native American ancestry, that it was all made up by the vast right wing conspiracy, or something.
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Apparently this was in response to Trump saying he'd pay $1 million if she proved she was an Indian?
So now the internet gets to spend the day arguing over whether or not she counts. Another stupid "news cycle". ;/
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Where's Bobby Jindal? So you say you want a little more Indian in you?
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https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2018/10/15/narrative-busted-elizabeth-warrens-dna-compared-to-average-white-american-is-a-humiliating-self-own/
Money quote:
This about the same results i would get to prove my chihuahua is part wolf.
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This made me spew tea on the monitor here at work...
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/10/15/still-laughing-daily-wire-gives-elizabeth-warrens-potus-campaign-logo-a-timely-makeover-pic/
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The best part of this brouhaha, is that here we are in the middle of mid-term elections and Warren, while up for re-election, is sucking all the oxygen out of the room for all the other races...
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I don't claim to have "a little Indian" in me but I have had some of me in a little Indian. =D
(wife is 1/4 Cherokee)
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I am 1/16 - 1/64 Choctaw and about the same Cherokee, how do I get my monies?
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Screw it, time to get the DNA kit. Bet it says some African, victim class here I come!
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I don't claim to have "a little Indian" in me but I have had some of me in a little Indian. =D
(wife is 1/4 Cherokee)
I fully understand that sentiment, I went to high school in Oklahoma!! ;)
bob
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I fully understand that sentiment, I went to high school in Oklahoma!! ;)
bob
Are you saying you knew his wife? ???
=D
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No, just a few Indians...... ;)
bob
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No, just a few Indians...... ;)
How?
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Best friend was son of local liquor distributor, we hunted over bait!! ;) OMG, that is not very PC is it!!!!! =D
bob
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How?
I got it. =D
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It looks like The Cherokee Nation (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cherokee-nation-responds-to-senator-warren-says-dna-test-useless-to-determine-tribal-citizenship) is not very impressed with Senator Warren's claim.
bob
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The Onion knocks it out of the park...
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/10/15/daaaaaaaaammmmnnnn-the-onion-leaves-elizabeth-warren-down-for-the-count/
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It looks like The Cherokee Nation (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cherokee-nation-responds-to-senator-warren-says-dna-test-useless-to-determine-tribal-citizenship) is not very impressed with Senator Warren's claim.
"But DNA & family history has nothing to do with tribal affiliation or citizenship, which is determined only – only – by Tribal Nations. I respect the distinction, & don't list myself as Native in the Senate."
But you did list yourself as Native American at both Penn and Harvard ...
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The Onion knocks it out of the park...
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/10/15/daaaaaaaaammmmnnnn-the-onion-leaves-elizabeth-warren-down-for-the-count/
That's about an 11 for savage on a scale of one to Sarah Sanders.
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https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2018/10/elizabeth-warren-dna-test/572998/
Geneticists, however, have historically had a fraught relationship with American Indian tribes, and few members in North America have given samples for these databases. Instead, Bustamante compared Warren’s DNA with that of indigenous peoples in Mexico, Colombia, and Peru. Critics of Warren have already seized on this to question the validity of her DNA test—ironically, mirroring some of the skepticism of those who have been criticizing Republicans’ insistence that Warren get a DNA test all along.
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https://twitter.com/RightHook99/status/1051875050230599686
WATCH: Hilarious video of Elizabeth Warren describing about how hard it was for her "oppressed" parents to get married because her Mom was a "Cherokee Indian."
Kind of interesting considering she is claiming righteous victory with a DNA test showing the ancestor is 3 or 4 generations back at least.
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https://twitter.com/RightHook99/status/1051875050230599686
Kind of interesting considering she is claiming righteous victory with a DNA test showing the ancestor is 3 or 4 eight generations back at least.
FTFY
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Last of the Fauxhicans.
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https://twitter.com/RightHook99/status/1051875050230599686
Kind of interesting considering she is claiming righteous victory with a DNA test showing the ancestor is 3 or 4 generations back at least.
So now she claims to be part Cherokee AND part Delaware? I hadn't heard that, and I find it difficult to comprehend. It's not like those two tribal groups were in the same part of the [then-future] United States.
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So lemme work this out. Assuming just one Native American ancestor, the breakdown by generation is
Generation
offset:
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1 . . . . . . . Parent --> 1/2
2 . . . . . . . Grandparent --> 1/4
3 . . . . . . . Great-grandparent --> 1/8
4 . . . . . . . Great-great-grandparent --> 1/16
5 . . . . . . . Great-great-great grandparent --> 1/32
6 . . . . . . . Great-great-great-great grandparent --> 1/64
7 . . . . . . . Great-great-great-great-great grandparent --> 1/32
8 . . . . . . . Great-great-great-great-great-great grandparent --> 1/64
And this is assuming that the one Native American ancestor was a 100 percent Native American, not a mix him/herself. According to a woman I worked with many years ago, who was an enrolled member of a Western tribe, each tribe decide how much tribal blood you have to have to be eligible for enrollment. She said her tribe (Flatheads) was 1/16, but that most are 1/8.
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^^^A local tribe is facing lawsuits up the wazoo in tribal court regarding the dis-enrollment of 306 tribal members who are descendants of earlier tribal members who married Filipinos. Lots of controversy over 'Indian blood' and how much is required to be a tribal member. On a related note, another local tribe tightened up their requirements to be an enrolled member as that tribe grows increasingly affluent from their local casino, retail and real estate operations.
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Sean Spicier tweet:
Democrats don't seem to be too happy with Senator Warren. You might say she's gone off the reservation.
=D
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https://twitter.com/ProducerKen/status/1052158328795746304
Ken Webster Jr
Verified account @ProducerKen
An Indian, an African-American & a Mexican walked into a bar...
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I think even Warren realized a long time ago that she should have apologized for this years ago. It would have been forgotten by now.
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I think even Warren realized a long time ago that she should have apologized for this years ago. It would have been forgotten by now.
It's amazing to me that her lies to advance herself by falsely claiming Indian heritage have continued to hound her while Dick Blumenthal's much more egregious lies are all but forgotten.
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It's amazing to me that her lies to advance herself by falsely claiming Indian heritage have continued to hound her while Dick Blumenthal's much more egregious lies are all but forgotten.
Yup - patriarchy.
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It's amazing to me that her lies to advance herself by falsely claiming Indian heritage have continued to hound her while Dick Blumenthal's much more egregious lies are all but forgotten.
Blumenthal is still "only" a Senator. His lies are not forgotten by veterans, but Connecticut is so overwhelmingly Democrat that the lies don't matter to those who vote him in. I think (and hope) that if he were ever to run for or be proposed for a position for which the nation as a whole has an interest, those lies would come back to haunt him.
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Oh, and I saw this as a trending hashtag referring various pols taking DNA tests:
#CherokeeChallenge
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
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I sometimes wonder how much Cherokee DNA I'm carrying around. Just what sheds off my wife mind you.
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A few years ago I was 50% Grand Cherokee, but then we sold that car.
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A few years ago I was 50% Grand Cherokee, but then we sold that car.
I almost bought a Jeep Cherokee, but it couldn't prove that it was built by real Cherokees.
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I've "had" two Cherokees.
The '92 model got sold. The '62 model is well beyond the "cheaper to keep her" point.
=D
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Ms. Warren's chicanery has opened such a rich vein of memes...
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https://babylonbee.com/news/tomahawk-wielding-elizabeth-warren-vows-to-take-land-back-from-the-pale-faces
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https://babylonbee.com/news/tomahawk-wielding-elizabeth-warren-vows-to-take-land-back-from-the-pale-faces
She's holding a metal knife in the pic.
Cultural appropriation!!
Reeeeeeeeeee!!!
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Ms. Warren's chicanery has opened such a rich vein of memes...
I hope she doesn't take it back.
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One day we are going to look back and realize this was the golden age of memes.
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Yep. Also if anyone ever says anything to you about cultural appropriation, throw Elizabeth Warren back in their face. A classic example. A rich white woman claiming to be part Cherokee solely for her own benefit.
I heard an interview yesterday that mentioned how liberal the leadership of the Cherokee tribe is. If Warren had actually done things to help them, she probably would have gotten support from them instead of scorn.
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Except that 1868 isn't far enough back. My grandfather (two generations back) was born in 1888. To get as far back as Warren's alleged DNA scrap/hint, I think you have to back at least another hundred years -- or more.
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Except that 1868 isn't far enough back. My grandfather (two generations back) was born in 1888. To get as far back as Warren's alleged DNA scrap/hint, I think you have to back at least another hundred years -- or more.
(PSST... those are both White people who were living with the Indians)
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https://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/412321-dna-is-irrelevant-elizabeth-warren-is-simply-not-cherokee
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/msnbc-analyst-actually-implies-cherokee-nation-racist-rejecting-warren/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/msnbc-analyst-actually-implies-cherokee-nation-racist-rejecting-warren/)
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I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:
How long is a generation? (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)
https://www.ancestry.ca/learn/learningcenters/default.aspx?section=lib_generation
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https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/msnbc-analyst-actually-implies-cherokee-nation-racist-rejecting-warren/ (https://www.westernjournal.com/ct/msnbc-analyst-actually-implies-cherokee-nation-racist-rejecting-warren/)
I love it when the left start cannibalizing their own.
The Cherokee nation leadership is liberal/Democrat to the core.
Their history is right in line with the Democrat party.
https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/31/547705829/judge-rules-that-cherokee-freedmen-have-right-to-tribal-citizenship (https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/08/31/547705829/judge-rules-that-cherokee-freedmen-have-right-to-tribal-citizenship)
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I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:
How long is a generation? (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)
https://www.ancestry.ca/learn/learningcenters/default.aspx?section=lib_generation
Depends. My mom was 42 when my sister was 12. She volunteered at the Philadelphia zoo that summer.
The other girls volunteering at the zoo (my sister was the token white girl) had grandmothers the same age as my mom.
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I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:
How long is a generation? (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)
https://www.ancestry.ca/learn/learningcenters/default.aspx?section=lib_generation
I thought it was more like 18 or 20.
However, in terms of a question like Warren's situation, number of years isn't the issue. It's literally how many generations intervened between the [purported] Native American ancestor and Ms. warren herself.
As an example, in researching whether I am eligible for membership in Sons of the American Revolution (I found that I am -- my paternal grandfather was an enrolled member, and I likely qualify on my mother's side as well), I traced my ancestry as far back as the Revolution. (Actually, my grandfather did it -- I only had to add my father's generation and myself). For me to get back to the American Revolution ancestor takes me back six generation steps (i.e. if I'm generation 1, the qualifying ancestor is generation 7. He was born in 1737 and died in 1793). If Warren's purported Native American genetic link is 8 to 10 generations back, that almost certainly means before the American Revolution, and therefore MANY years before the trail of tears and the conquest of the Native Americans by the bluecoats.
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I guess somebody's bound to ask sooner or later:
How long is a generation? (I always thought it was considered to be 30 years.)
https://www.ancestry.ca/learn/learningcenters/default.aspx?section=lib_generation
Yes, the particular article I selected showed several variations on how to figure a "generation." That was only one article out of a bunch which turned up on a search.
In total, the "explanations" ranged from 18-25 years to 38 years. I don't remember for sure where I got the "30 years" I always thought it was, but it was probably in a High School Civics class in the 1950s. Maybe my high school teacher did a Google search and averaged the results. :D
Terry
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Yes, the particular article I selected showed several variations on how to figure a "generation." That was only one article out of a bunch which turned up on a search.
In total, the "explanations" ranged from 18-25 years to 38 years. I don't remember for sure where I got the "30 years" I always thought it was, but it was probably in a High School Civics class in the 1950s. Maybe my high school teacher did a Google search and averaged the results. :D
FWIW, if I take my great^4 grandfather's birth date to mine, the span is 207 years. Divide that by 6 generations' difference, and you get 34.5 years.
Honestly, I was very surprised.
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FWIW, if I take my great^4 grandfather's birth date to mine, the span is 207 years. Divide that by 6 generations' difference, and you get 34.5 years.
Honestly, I was very surprised.
Modernity has allowed for much later child-bearing years. I'd expect that if you would start from your great grandfather and go back 6 generations, you'll find that it's closer to 20.
Now I'll really throw a wrench, but there are people alive today whose GRANDFATHER, not great, not ^4, just Grandfather was born in 1790.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/37443/elizabeth-warren-rips-ice-its-not-making-us-safer-hank-berrien
A real Indian would understand the importance of controlling the borders.
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https://www.dailywire.com/news/37443/elizabeth-warren-rips-ice-its-not-making-us-safer-hank-berrien
A real Indian would understand the importance of controlling the borders.
I see what you did there ...
And I approve.
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What Hawkmoon said. Except I didn't want to compliment fistful directly. =D
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What Hawkmoon said. Except I didn't want to compliment fistful directly. =D
Well, it is an awfully long line.
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Well, it is an awfully long line.
No, that's the "blame fistful" line. Easy mistake to make, since they're right next to each other. :police:
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Modernity has allowed for much later child-bearing years. I'd expect that if you would start from your great grandfather and go back 6 generations, you'll find that it's closer to 20.
Now I'll really throw a wrench, but there are people alive today whose GRANDFATHER, not great, not ^4, just Grandfather was born in 1790.
I just happened to run across this quotation that I took from a book - can't recall which one. I think it's either Bailyn or Hofstadter. Anyway, seemed apropos.
We tend to see the colonial period in American history foreshortened by time. We need to remember that by 1787 Englishmen had been living in North America for over 170 years. Some of the men at the Convention had great-great-great-grandparents who had been born Americans and who had died a hundred years before. Families like Martin's had worked farms that their grandfathers had worked, and laid flower before gravestones that in 1787 were moss-stained and eroded by a century and a half of weather.
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Tally sheet on Warren's history of dubious and unsubstantiated claims to be a Cherokee:
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/10/15/benny-johnson-lays-out-every-time-elizabeth-warren-has-lied-about-her-heritage-in-epic-thread/
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Boy, if she gets away with this without dire and drastic political and economic consequences, all bets are off.
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Doesn’t claiming the Indian ancestry kinda give away the lie about white privilege?
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Doesn’t claiming the Indian ancestry kinda give away the lie about white privilege?
Don't be silly. Double standards don't apply to democrats.
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A slideshow of Fauxcahontas memes, starting at 4.10, in this video.
The #MeSioux movement:
https://youtu.be/RazUX0tHcuk?t=251