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Our police department at it again - Sigh.
« on: October 19, 2007, 09:20:48 AM »
In the last year our esteemed local police department has suddenly become a bit overzealous in their "enforcement" of the law.  To recount, they have busted a Chippendales revue for being "naughty", clapping the half-clothed dancers in leg irons (!?) and hauling them off to jail in a police van that had been parked at the show even before it began (can you say "pre-planned", boys and girls?).  The video evidence of the "crime" was later laughed out of court by the state, county, and city attorney's offices, who handed the Lubbock PD their butts for wasting time with such a non-case.  Then the busted a lingerie shop shop for having "too many" (?) of a particular product on display, also trying to prosecute a just-happened-to-be-there clerk on a charge that would have branded them a sex offender for life.  They also shut down a long-time local gentlemen's club because the club owner was a "convicted felon".  Never mind that the conviction had been expunged.  It had even been okayed by the TABC attorneys in Austin when he applied for his liquor license.  They had no problem with it but the city sure did, revoking his permit on the grounds he "lied on his application."  I think the case is currently with the Texas AG, but scuttlebutt is the city is going down in flames on this one, too.

Now they are going after the student population.

Before anyone says anything I want it known that, without a doubt, I do NOT condone underage drinking.  I especially despise driving under the influence. 

The cops have suddenly begun taken a shotgun approach to ticketing for underage drinking, underage possession, and public intoxication.  They are busting college parties and handing out tickets to everyeone regardless of whether or not there's evidence the person was drinking.  I know several of the attorneys involved and have it on first-hand authority that there have been more than a few instances where a person was asleep in their room, having intentionally locked their door to keep out the party, and they were awakened and cited just because they were present!  I have also verified the incident cited in the story, the girls who had gone to pick up a friend, as being on the up-and-up.

The LPD wants to make it out like they are just "enforecing the law".  Bullcrap.  They have an agenda and they don't care who gets in the way.  Their conscience is clear because "a ticket is not an admission of guilt.  That is for the court to decide" (their standard response).  Of course, we in the REAL world know what kind of a pile of steaming bovine feces that really is.  You walk in with a ticket and you're either gonna pay it or spend a bucket full of money and much time getting your "presumption of innocence" recognized.

Most "God Fearin'" folks cheered when the strip clubs were shut down.  They clapped a bit when the Chippendales were busted.  They smiled and nodded when the lingerie shop was raided.  But now, these are their kids being handed those $250 municipal court party favors.  They are finding out it ain't so much fun to be on the receiving end of the morality code.

I can see why the attorneys are taking all these cases, many of them pro bono.  If they can bust the city for a citation, even just one, it opens up a Pandora's Box of both criminal and civil liability.  If this happens, you will see a flurry of lawsuits against the city for every single citation they issued.  Many of the kids cited have very wealthy and/or influential parents who just happen to also be high-ranking Texas Tech alumni.  The large contribution kind.  Given the people involved, I can see this ending up with many dollar signs attached to it.

In short, our city leaders have taken it upon themselves to be the morality police and they are about to get their behinds handed to them.  And my tax dollars will be footing the bill.

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Underage Drinking Tickets Up 500 Percent In Lubbock
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Underage drinking tickets in Lubbock have more than quadrupled. From August to September, Lubbock police wrote 650 tickets. Last year during the same time period, only 154 tickets were written. Now, local defense attorneys are getting involved.

A group of attorneys are now offering to defend some underage drinkers. They are all members of the Lubbock Criminal Defense Lawyers Association, and some say underage drinking isn't on the rise just the enforcement.

"I see it as an overzealous police department. I don't think the atmosphere has changed that much from one year to the next, we're seeing a 500 percent increase, I mean kids are not having that more parties," Rusty Gunter, President, Lubbock Criminal Defense Lawyers Association.

Gunter is talking about underage drinking tickets and that 500% increase accounts for Minors in Possession, Minors in Consumption, Public Intoxication and Driving Under the Influence.

"I represent someone who went to do their friend a favor and pick them up from a party and they're there 10 minutes and the party gets busted and they get cited," Gunter said.

Thomas Trombley is the Lubbock Municipal Court Administrator. He says, "The court, as far as I knew, we were not even aware this was going to happen. All the sudden the kids started showing up."

So now, nearly 20 Lubbock defense attorneys have started accepting student's cases free of charge.

"They're walking a fine line with the 4th amendment. Additional you are having kids cited, they are just citing everyone, and they're not narrowing to a people who are allegedly committing the criminal offense. It's just a shot gun approach," Gunter added.

Lt. Scott Hudgens says the Lubbock Police Department is just doing its job.

"With the recent deaths of these young people in traffic accidents and things like that and it's obvious that voluntary compliance isn't working. So we believe that more stringent producers need to be applied," Lt. Scott Hudgens said.

But Gunter says those stringent producers may be violating constitutional amendments.

"There are some glaring Fourth Amendment violations. Secondly, the citations are being given without probable are cause," Gunter said.

The prosecutors are also busy trying to handle the increase in underage drinking cases so they have created a Pre-Trial Diversion Program. It gives Texas Tech students the opportunity to take a substance abuse program on campus and possibly get those charges dropped.

Police also say some of these tickets happen when responding to noise complaints in Lubbock neighborhoods. During the first month of school, they wrote 550 noise ordinance tickets.
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« Reply #1 on: October 19, 2007, 09:25:58 AM »
My, its like the Taliban up and moved to Lubbock, TX.
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« Reply #2 on: October 19, 2007, 09:32:50 AM »
My, its like the Taliban up and moved to Lubbock, TX.

Or it could be they just responded to complaints about specific things. I gotta say i think the lingerie shops and Chippendales things are probably off base, but the underage drinking thing, maybe not. I would expect defense lawyers to claim the citations were inappropriate, and maybe they were. Thats why we have courts, supposedly.
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« Reply #3 on: October 19, 2007, 09:39:27 AM »
My, its like the Taliban up and moved to Lubbock, TX.

Or it could be they just responded to complaints about specific things. I gotta say i think the lingerie shops and Chippendales things are probably off base, but the underage drinking thing, maybe not. I would expect defense lawyers to claim the citations were inappropriate, and maybe they were. Thats why we have courts, supposedly.

Responding to complaints is not the problem.  The student population number have not changed appreciably.  The overall city demographics have not changed appreciably.  The number of bars, restaurants, party spots, etc.  has not changed appreciably.  If fact, the only thing that has changed appreciably is the number of citations being issued.  Someone, somewhere, has decided to "clean up the town".  This kind of nonsense is the result.

If they want to ticket persons who actually deserve a ticket (i.e. were observed in possession of failed a field sobriety test) fine.  No problem.  However, they are ticketing people who's only apparent crime is proximity, using the "not an admission of guilt and courts will sort it out" line to justify it.  That is total and complete crap.  And it's indicative of the current PD and city leaders' attitudes.

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« Reply #4 on: October 19, 2007, 09:49:20 AM »
One of the charges listed is "Minors in Possession".  Would one of the more legal minded folks please educate me.  Does just knowing that minors are in your residence drinking make you in possesion?

By the way, I don't like the shotgun approach either, but it's clear they are trying to stop the parties, not just give out hundreds of tickets.
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« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2007, 09:51:15 AM »
My, its like the Taliban up and moved to Lubbock, TX.

Or it could be they just responded to complaints about specific things. I gotta say i think the lingerie shops and Chippendales things are probably off base, but the underage drinking thing, maybe not. I would expect defense lawyers to claim the citations were inappropriate, and maybe they were. Thats why we have courts, supposedly.

Then you ticket anyone caught drinking underage.  Its an obvious crackdown of the Morality police in Lubbock, TX.  What do you expect from the Bible belt? 
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« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2007, 09:53:17 AM »
Does just knowing that minors are in your residence drinking make you in possesion?

That would be "Contributing to the Delinquency of a Minor."

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« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2007, 10:13:49 AM »
If those businesses had the appropriate licenses and permits, the LP action is criminal.  The City of Lubbock and the PD and the individual officers should be sued for restraint of trade, unlawful arrest and imprisonment, kidnapping, abuse of power, and anything and everything else a team of rabid bulldog lawyers can come up with.

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« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2007, 10:25:53 AM »
This sort of thing is why I like what's left of old-style New England. People are generally conservative, but whether you choose to go to a church or strip club is your business, nobody else's. People are very private about their religion and don't get nosy about other people's recreational choices.

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« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2007, 10:31:39 AM »
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The City of Lubbock and the PD and the individual officers should be sued for restraint of trade, unlawful arrest and imprisonment, kidnapping, abuse of power, and anything and everything else a team of rabid bulldog lawyers can come up with.


The county has already had their hand spanked in district court on the strip club issue.  Judge Sam Cummings ruled their actions amounted to a de facto ban on the club.

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« Reply #10 on: October 19, 2007, 01:53:50 PM »
This is exactly why the ACLU defends the nasty pieces of crap that they do.
It's easy to infringe the rights of someone you don't like (Pedophiles, etc) but if you let that stand, then, like in the famous poem, it sets up a precident for them to do it to you.
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« Reply #11 on: October 20, 2007, 12:57:26 AM »
I see this as two separate issues.  It can be argued that the Chippendale's dancers, the lingerie shop, and the strip club were all "morality police" issues.  But I think the massive ticketing is about one thing...money.    It's just like spam, they shotgun everyone with tickets and for every ticket that isn't contested that's $250 of easy money.  I'm confused how everyone can get up in arms about ticketing cameras as a source of free revenue generation, but when the police hand out four times as many tickets as last year it's the "morality police", not the "money police."


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At the risk of sidetracking the thread, I'll say that I agree with the ACLU's philosophy, in theory.  But I'd be a lot more willing to support them (i.e. I'd support them at all) if they would take a case for someone THEY don't like, say gun owners or Christians.  Rather than the endless parade of cases for people who are pedophiles or are offended because they saw a cross or whatever.

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« Reply #12 on: October 20, 2007, 01:24:25 AM »
I don't want to sidetrack either but, even though I'm white, so to speak, the NAACP was going to support me in a case against a landlord who specifically stated that she would not rent to me because I had a beard. (at the time, it's gone now, it'd be all gray anyways and I don't need any more than I already got,  laugh ) I was only a couple years out of the Navy too. She didn't care.  Yup. I didn't pursue though, screw it I figured, who wants the old bitch for a landlord anyways?   laugh
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« Reply #13 on: October 20, 2007, 03:53:09 AM »
This is exactly why the ACLU defends the nasty pieces of crap that they do.
It's easy to infringe the rights of someone you don't like (Pedophiles, etc) but if you let that stand, then, like in the famous poem, it sets up a precident for them to do it to you.

Apples and oranges. Adults watching consenting adults perform adult activities is a victimless crime. Pedophilia is NOT a victimless crime, as many pedophiles abuse children, and others support an industry of child porn that abuses children. Pedophiles are a danger to society and need to be removed from it, that's the cold, hard fact.

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« Reply #14 on: October 20, 2007, 06:51:28 AM »
The ACLU has never legally defended the act of pedophilia.
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« Reply #15 on: October 20, 2007, 06:55:17 PM »
Or it could be they just responded to complaints about specific things. I gotta say i think the lingerie shops and Chippendales things are probably off base, but the underage drinking thing, maybe not. I would expect defense lawyers to claim the citations were inappropriate, and maybe they were. Thats why we have courts, supposedly.

I agree that underage drinking is inappropriate ... and illegal. But there's still a basic principle that you have to have probable cause to cite someone for an infraction. Radar traps can't pull over every car on a highway and issue a speeding ticket just because the car was on the same road as other cars caught speeding. Same thing here -- to cite someone for underage drinking, you have to (a) see them drinking, and (b) have proof that they are underage.

It's been a long time since I graduated from college, but I can remember sleeping through a few parties. If some cop had cited me for drinking just because there happened to be alcohol at a party downstairs in the building in which I lived, you damn well betcha I would have sued the department, the cop, and the city.
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« Reply #16 on: October 20, 2007, 08:39:39 PM »
Following a car accident about a month ago a police officer wrote me a ticket for not having insurance... but took my insurance information and wrote it on the accident report.  Some cops rather you go through the trouble of fighting it at court than they go through the trouble of ripping up a ticket. 

I think it may be because they are rated by the number of tickets they give, not the number that are legitimate or stick.
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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2007, 08:42:31 PM »
This is exactly why the ACLU defends the nasty pieces of crap that they do.
It's easy to infringe the rights of someone you don't like (Pedophiles, etc) but if you let that stand, then, like in the famous poem, it sets up a precident for them to do it to you.

Apples and oranges. Adults watching consenting adults perform adult activities is a victimless crime. Pedophilia is NOT a victimless crime, as many pedophiles abuse children, and others support an industry of child porn that abuses children. Pedophiles are a danger to society and need to be removed from it, that's the cold, hard fact.

While that is true, Pedophiles have free speech rights, and their free speech rights need to be defended just like anyone elses.
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« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2007, 07:38:32 AM »
While that is true, Pedophiles have free speech rights, and their free speech rights need to be defended just like anyone elses.

I thought about this for a while, but I think there were a few cases where the .gov tried to restrict pornography that used entirely legal actors - everybody over 21, but were dressed to appear younger(like how a lot of 'high school' aged actors are actually 25 or so, and you even get 18 year olds playing middle schoolers).

The ACLU got involved there.

Now I remember - it was on slashdot, as it was also about artificially generated images and being able to photoshop legal images into illegal ones.

I can see the fighting lines being drawn there - because you're left with the argument that 'it encourages child molestation*', which is not enough justification for me.  Why?  You can ban guns in a house with children for the same reason 'it encourages teen suicide**'.  Or murder, assault, etc...

*Remember, it's all for the children, who are the victims in acts of pedophilia and child porn.
**No proven link, I know, but they'd still push it.  Matter of fact, I don't know if child porn -> child molestation, or if it's an indicator, where you simply keep track of those who download it as they're increased risk factors(IE they're a risk anyways).

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« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2007, 09:21:27 AM »
Firethorn, I remember the whole fight over the completely computer-generated "kiddie porn". Problem with it was, there were no models involved: it was COMPLETELY computer generated (IIRC). So, nobody was hurt...

 That's the issue with kiddie porn: not that it's disgusting (it is, but we don't outlaw "disgusting"), but that a child is "hurt" in the production of such. The court decided (IIRC) that, even though there was no victim, even in this case (comp gen) it was illegal...

 I'm still torn. To me, you should require a victim for something to be a crime...

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« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2007, 12:36:25 PM »
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That is so old fashioned ...

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« Reply #21 on: October 21, 2007, 01:27:12 PM »
Reagrding the ticketing of people for just being there I had a similar experience in MD. I was living in VA, but had gone to a party in Maryland  (Montgomery County I believe). Well, the cops showed up and one of the idiots that lived there told the cops that they could come.
People had been drinking and smoking Marijuana as well. I had no MJ on me or a pipe or bong. There was a bong in the corner of the living room that I was sitting in. Long story short, everyone at the party was charged with possession of paraphenalia on top of any other charges. We also had our polaroids taken by the police.
I ended up getting a lawyer and spending about $1000 to get the crap charges dropped. I was 23 yrs so it was perfectly legal for me to be drinking at the time. I was also working retail and making about $10/hr so $1000 was a pretty big chunk of change. What a bunch of BS, it still pisses me off to this day (it happened about 13 yrs ago).
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BY BILL MCKELWAY
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER

"You can be 10 years old and drink in Virginia," said Beth Straeten, a spokeswoman for the state's Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control.

Surprised?

At a time when some in the community are ex- amining the role of alcohol in the wake of traffic deaths, injuries and broken futures, Virginia remains one of the many states whose laws specifically tolerate a parent providing alcohol to an underage person. Eleven states, Virginia among them, say providing alcohol to an underage son or daughter can only occur in the home. Twenty other states say parents can provide alcohol to their children anywhere.

The Virginia exception was passed during the 2006 legislature. It drew only two negative votes and won the signature of Gov. Timothy M. Kaine. Kaine's office declined to comment on the law last week. A spokesman for Attorney General Bob McDonnell also declined to comment.

"It is not for us to decide whether or not this law should be on the books," said ABC Chairwoman Esther H. Vassar, stressing her department's role in enforcing laws and educating the public. "It is a policy matter for the General Assembly."

But to others, the law is a startling incongruity.

"When I learned last year about that, I couldn't believe what I was reading," said Emporia resident James Webb, who worked 35 years as a clerk in state liquor stores. "Here we are being told not to sell liquor to anyone under 21, and I'm learning that the law says as long as you have a parent nearby you can be any age at all to drink. It's a double standard. It makes no sense."

Betsy Gallagher, president of Deep Run High School's Parent Teacher Student Association, said the exception is a major obstacle in trying to control underage drinking.

"That law is exactly why we have such a big problem," she said. "If you write a law that sends that kind of message to the public, it is no wonder that parents and children are receiving a gray message."

But the law is no quirk; nor is Virginia unique. Only 19 states prohibit parents from providing alcohol to underage people, according to the National Institute of Alcohol Abuse and Alcoholism.

The Virginia law was backed by key groups that fight for tighter drinking restrictions; the sponsors of the bills, state Sen. Ryan T. McDougle, R-Hanover, and Del. Brian J. Moran, D-Alexandria, are longtime, dependable advocates of stiff drinking regulations.

"In Virginia, we're dealing with a climate that very strongly focuses on the ability of parents to control their own child inside the home," said Jeffrey Levy, a lobbyist for Mothers Against Drunk Driving in Virginia.

The political reality, he said, is that the law represented a compromise and reined in longtime Virginia laws that were even more lax.

"Under the old law, all you needed was to be in a residence to legally serve an underage person," said Levy, who lost a son in an alcohol-related crash. The law created a loophole that allowed parents to avoid prosecution for overseeing drinking parties, especially in cases where partygoers were between 18 and 21.

"It was a loophole you could drive a truck through; now the loophole is something you could maybe drive a bicycle with training wheels through," McDougle said last week.

"I think it takes care of 99.9 percent of the problems we see" with underage drinking parties, said Levy, who emphasized that each child must have his or her parent or legal guardian present. Fraternity parties and residential parties, typically attended by only a few parents or an unrelated adult, are now illegal, he said.

But when Craig Lloyd, executive director of North Carolina's MADD chapter, was told about the Virginia law last week, he said he was amazed.

"You can drink if you are underage?" he asked.

MADD members in that state last year won approval for a state law effective last month that makes it illegal for anyone under 21 to consume alcohol, Lloyd said. "It took three years to get through, but it puts North Carolina in a no-tolerance position, which is what law enforcement wants."

The law gets rid of earlier, more-difficult-to-prove statutes that required proof of possession, Lloyd said.

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Virginia's adherence to laws that tolerate underage drinking helps feed the dual perception that alcohol is appropriate for anyone even as millions of dollars in advertising campaigns push no-drinking dictums for teens.

"You are going to have kids drinking at home and then go next door and feel like it's OK to drink there," said Webb, the retired ABC store clerk. He's still troubled by a man who told him he had to buy the liquor for his son's 18th birthday party.

"I should have reported the guy, but it was closing time. I just didn't do it. I should have," Webb said.

The parental-oversight law remains on the books, too, as surveys by the American Medical Association and others show that parents are more tolerant of underage drinking than their underage children.

As teenagers are inundated with anti-drinking messages at schools, churches and by their own organizations, they also are finding far more lax attitudes at home from their own parents, said ABC special agent Dan Durrette. His district includes the Short Pump area where a 16-year-old driver charged with underage drinking also faces a manslaughter charge in a fatal New Year's Day crash shortly after midnight.

The fight over enforcement and parental rights is a familiar one to western Henrico resident Mary Hudalla, who helped lead a fight against underage drinking in suburban Detroit; she raised two boys in a community where teenage drinking parties were overlooked by police.

"There was one where drunk teenagers were literally falling over the hoods of the squad cars and vomiting. The cops wouldn't even get out of their cars," she said.

But neighbors in Farmington Hills, a city of about 80,000 people northwest of Detroit, got together and pushed for a city ordinance that now holds a property owner responsible for illegal, underage drinking at the residence or property, even if the owner is not present.

"It helped a lot," said Hudalla, who is quick to comment on her perception of Virginia's slow-to-change ways. "I have people asking me to go to Daughters of the Confederacy meetings, but no one seems to be really doing anything about the drinking and getting directly involved."

Last week, however, more than 600 parents and students gathered at Deep Run High School near Short Pump to examine positive ways to erase underage drinking. Sarah Ann Haislip, the 16-year-old charged in the fatal New Year's Day crash, is a Deep Run student.

The crash is one of a series of alcohol-related incidents in the area that have taken a half-dozen lives in recent years. Police are investigating the role a teenage drinking party New Year's Eve in the Twin Hickory neighborhood near Deep Run may have played in at least two crashes, one of them Haislip's.

A lawyer for the family which owns the home said in a Times-Dispatch interview this month that the parents were not at home during the party and were unaware that drinking may have occurred.

Without laws on the books in Virginia like the one in Farmington Hills, it's unclear what action authorities can take against an absent homeowner where underage drinking occurs.

Meanwhile, legislators this session are considering changes to blood and breath test laws. Other proposals would mandate a six-month minimum suspension of a driver's license when someone provides alcohol to an underage person and in cases when a judge defers sentence on an underage person charged with possession.

"We need to be able to stand up and tell groups that these penalties will happen, not just that they might happen," said Levy, the MADD lobbyist in Virginia. He said bills requiring license suspensions of underage persons always bring out opposition.

"Guess where the opposition always comes from?" he asked. "The parents. They can't stand the idea that they will have to start driving their child around again."






Absent adults not charged in DUI case
Prosecutor says Va. law makes it hard to in teen parties
 
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By BILL MCKELWAY
TIMES-DISPATCH STAFF WRITER
A nine-month investigation into where and how Henrico County teenager Sarah Ann Haislip obtained alcohol that figured in a fatal New Year's Day crash will not result in additional charges, according to Henrico Commonwealth's Attorney Wade Kizer.

The owners of the home where 16-year-old Haislip and other students celebrated New Year's Eve weren't present, and Virginia law makes it almost impossible to associate illegal activity with a non-present homeowner, he said.

"The law is that you have to be present or be able to prove that someone is an accessory, an active participant before the fact, in order to bring charges" against a homeowner, Kizer said in an interview after Haislip was sentenced Friday to serve almost a year behind bars.

"We are confident that we know what occurred, but Virginia law doesn't recognize that the homeowner is guilty of a crime," Kizer said.

Gary LaClair, an airline pilot whose Twin Hickory home was the site of the New Year's Eve party that Haislip attended, has said in interviews and through his lawyers that he and his wife were not present for the event and were only aware that some school friends of their son were planning to spend the evening.

LaClair and his wife were in Middlesex County at their waterfront home, called Point of View, LaClair has said. Neighborhood sources have said that as many as 50 young adults may have been at the party in the 4200 block of Cobblestone Way.

And when police raided another adult-absent gathering at the LaClairs' Twin Hickory home in March where underage drinking allegedly was taking place, LaClair said police were singling out his family for harassment and that there was no proof liquor had been consumed on his property.

Today Haislip, formerly a Deep Run High School student, is serving almost a year behind bars for her role in a high-speed, alcohol-related crash early New Year's Day that took the life of Wesley Hunter Taylor, a friend-to-all bartender who also had been drinking that night.

Family and friends of the deeply sad, doe-eyed Haislip, now 17, and of Taylor, who was 29, almost filled Henrico's Circuit Courtroom 3 on Friday in a proceeding that centered as much on the worrisome presence of alcohol in teenage lives as it did on a young girl's fatal misjudgment.

Allison White Twente alluded to the pervasiveness of teen drinking in testimony Friday.

The clinical psychologist said Haislip lived in a world where drinking and a lack of parental influence have become a norm.

It was only the crash that brought Haislip's conduct to public attention that her lawyer described as suddenly shifting her from aspiring soccer star to "infamous" teenager. Prior to the crash, her school record was virtually unblemished, investigators have said. She told them she had three beers but registered almost double the adult legal limit of alcohol in a blood test.

"I never wanted to be in a position of where I was an example for people. But that's where I am," Haislip said in court Friday, tearfully apologizing to Taylor's nearby family. She spoke of an identity and culture that she now realizes was childish and stupid.

In the days after Haislip's arrest, the Internet coughed up images of Haislip, beer in hand, lounging with friends at a house party. Internet chatter among her friends -- before word of the crash spread -- joked about the inebriated condition of partygoers New Year's Eve.

Efforts to attack the alcohol-related youth culture stepped up in the wake of Taylor's death. Henrico police have made hundreds of arrests focused on underage drinking. The crackdown has been relentless and is ongoing.

Some parents have been charged in the wave of arrests -- they were present at the parties -- but there are far more examples of empty homes suddenly filling with partying teens. Police have few avenues to prosecute adults, Kizer said.

The house party phenomenon is no stranger to Michael Sparks. It was a key element of the underage-drinking culture in Vallejo, Calif., a city that was being overrun with teenaged drinking issues some 15 years ago.

"It was a huge problem," said Sparks, who was part of efforts there to use grant money from the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation to develop ways to combat underage drinking and other substance-abuse problems. "Our research was able to show a wide range of problems" ranging from increased incidents of date rape, to alcohol-related traffic fatalities, to school performance issues, to mental health problems, Sparks said.

Sparks now travels the country lecturing and helping communities develop underage alcohol countermeasures through the auspices of the Fighting Back Partnership.

An important breakthrough, he said, was moving away from efforts to criminalize non-present adults whose homes have been used by underage drinkers.

Instead, Vallejo adopted an ordinance -- called a Social Host ordinance -- that allows the city to assess the costs of a police response to a home against the homeowner.

"The results have been excellent," said Lt. Reginald Garcia of the Vallejo police department. "Basically, we don't have a problem with the teen house party thing anymore."

Garcia said a first response to a home might produce a warning to the homeowner that any subsequent calls to police will be followed by a bill for their services. The usual on-site arrests can be made for clearly illegal activity, but absent homeowners can be dealt with later, even by mail.

"You got a party with underage drinkers and it takes 10 officers to respond and you charge $10 an hour for each hour it all takes, and that starts to add up," he said.

"It's definitely changed the party scene," Sparks said. Big, out-of-control parties are almost a thing of the past.

But Sparks said teens continue drinking, only in smaller, less evident groups among peers they trust.

"The key is broad coalition building in a community where there is a substructure of accountability," he said. A uniform anti-drinking message needs to be reinforced at home, school, church, by businesses and by people in the community who are respected, he said.

Kizer, for one, said the ordinance approach is worth looking at. But it likely will require changes in state law that allow adoption of special ordinances by local governments.

Yesterday, Three Chopt District School Board candidate Eileen Davis, whose daughter graduated from Deep Run High School and knew Taylor and Haislip, said the ordinance approach and coalition effort should get a long, hard look.

"What I hear is an effort to help provide a safe and secure environment for our kids; that's a good thing," she said, stressing that she's not convinced that Haislip's conduct was the teen's normal behavior or that of most teenagers she knows.
Contact Bill McKelway at (804) 649-6601 or bmckelway@timesdispatch.com.



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Re: Our police department at it again - Sigh.
« Reply #23 on: October 21, 2007, 01:57:11 PM »
cassandrasdaddy,

do you believe that it is possible for somebody under 21(or 18) to imbibe alcohol responsibly?

I spent several years in Germany - they didn't have anything like the underage drinking problems we have.

Europe as a whole doesn't have the 'problem'.

Why don't I think that they have the problem?  Because the kids grow up with it not being a 'special' adult beverage, which has them wanting it, looking forward to it, and in the states, end up taking it with their peers, not around adults, in unsafe manners such as binge drinking.

If they grew up with a small glass of beer or wine, or a sip of grandma's mixed drink, it becomes not such a big deal.

I've seen the reports 'people who start drinking under the age of 21 are more likely to become alcoholics' - yet when you look at their cases, they're the ones that start at 15 or so outside of the purview of their parents.

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Re: Our police department at it again - Sigh.
« Reply #24 on: October 21, 2007, 02:01:57 PM »
I spent several years in Germany - they didn't have anything like the underage drinking problems we have.

Europe as a whole doesn't have the 'problem'.

The UK sure does! Soccer hooligans, chavs? People, especially young people, get drunk, break things, and hurt people for no good reason.