Oh, bull dung, Mr. President

[Leatherneck]

Listening to the President's speech, first, I'm offended by his : "I inherited a bad economy." It's your economy, guy, and you're doing it wrong.

Second: while there are people who should have health insurance but don't, one must ask "Why don't they?"

It's not our responsibility to take care of them and their dependents. It's theirs. This is America.

This bunch of clowns is going down. But we are going to pay the price of their failure to lead. They don't have a clue.

TC

[SADShooter]

Note how Obama, Orszag and the other White House shills are now peddling the line that they didn't know how bad things were in November/December, believing we can't recall how the administrative transition was one of the earliest and most seamless in US. history, with Obama and his people coordinating with the Bush administration before he took office. Even the media was praising Bush for his openness and the administration's interaction with Obama's team.

Used to be, you waited a few years to rewrite history. Now the record changes day by day.

[Standing Wolf]

"I inherited a bad economy."

You said you had the answer. Where is it?

[Monkeyleg]

Bush inherited a recession, but he had more class than to blame Clinton.

Obama has no class at all. Just another Chicago punk.

[AZRedhawk44]

"I inherited a bad economy."

It's pretty well settled doctrine that no President is directly responsible for the economic ups and downs of his administration.

The effects of signed legislation or regulatory easements typically take at least 4-6 years to actually reach fruition.

Clinton was no more responsible for his dotcom ups than Bush II was responsible for the economic recession.  Clinton was, however, responsible for 9/11 by failing to look after America's international interests in the 90's during his administration.

And, the dotcom burst in the early 2000's can arguably be attributed to Clinton not striving to diversify America's economic strengths so that an overextension in one particular industry would not leave us on unstable footing.

[PTK]

while there are people who should have health insurance but don't, one must ask "Why don't they?"

It's not our responsibility to take care of them

I have a whole list of medical problems, very little money to take care of them, and no real insurance plan.

That in mind, I AM STILL AGAINST THIS NEW PLAN. Government controlling this kind of thing will make it WORSE for people like me, not better!

As you said, it is our own responsibility to deal with our own problems. When did that ever stop being true?

[Viking]

I have a whole list of medical problems, very little money to take care of them, and no real insurance plan.

That in mind, I AM STILL AGAINST THIS NEW PLAN. Government controlling this kind of thing will make it WORSE for people like me, not better!

As you said, it is our own responsibility to deal with our own problems. When did that ever stop being true?

When people started to feel that they were too good to work for a living.

[slingshot]

Mr. Obama, you are the President of the most powerful country in the world.  You play the blame game card way too much.  I'm tired of it.  You blame George Bush for the economy, an un-necessary war in Iraq, bad relations with other countries, and our "failed" foriegn policy.  You apologize to the European countries for arragant US foreign policy.  Well sir, you may have noticed how your special talent for talk has NOT resulted in North Korea or Iran ceasing their nuclear ambitions or the European countries wading in and working together with us?

I honestly could not figure out just what you were trying to say at all with your speech yesterday during prime time.  You said little of substance.  Oh you have a knack for reading teleprompters.  But we learned AGAIN how you inherited the recession something like three times.  Keep reminding me and maybe it might sink in.  

[FTA84]

Mr. Obama, you are the President of the most powerful country in the world.  You play the blame game card way too much.  I'm tired of it.  You blame George Bush for the economy, an un-necessary war in Iraq, bad relations with other countries, and our "failed" foriegn policy.  You apologize to the European countries for arragant US foreign policy.  Well sir, you may have noticed how your special talent for talk has NOT resulted in North Korea or Iran ceasing their nuclear ambitions or the European countries wading in and working together with us?

Perhaps just playing to his base.  "A culture of victimization."

[coppertales]

Remember, you heard it here first........the reason for the big push on health care is to get ready for "amnesty" of all the illegals in this country.  The dims need to get this done before the 2010 elections or they are going to lose their shirt in the next elections.  chris3

[AZRedhawk44]

Remember, you heard it here first........the reason for the big push on health care is to get ready for "amnesty" of all the illegals in this country.  The dims need to get this done before the 2010 elections or they are going to lose their shirt in the next elections.  chris3

Check the tin-foil... it may be crooked.  Your signal is coming in, but it's garbled.

Yes, dems want amnesty and they want health care... but health care does not relate to amnesty any more than it is a common thread for the democratic party.

Free health care will make latin america almost as happy on its own as amnesty would on its own.

Frankly, I fear America east of the Mississippi.  It's so unionized, socialized and gun-timid (with possible exceptions of Florida and New Hampshire) that the fabric that makes up its society lacks the courage to stand on its own two feet.  East America will resoundingly cheer nationalized Health Care from Maine to Florida, Louisiana to Michigan.

Dems will gain in the East, and lose a little in the West (plz let us chuck California into the sea!).  Until their crap gets implemented and people see what they bought into... but by then it will be too late since they will have implemented amnesty and secured another 20-25 million voters.

Health Care gets them the short-term "bread and circus" reward votes to boost their numbers enough, so they can stay in power in the angry after-effects of amnesty and reap the benefits as those millions of illegals become voters.

[longeyes]

East America has always been at war with West America...

Oh wait, that's that anti-fascist book again.

Everyone on this forum knows or should know that the ground is opening up.  It doesn't take an apocalypticoid to realize this.  Obama's surfing the great wave that began forty-plus years on, and that wave has yet to break. 

Yes, amnesty is part of the grand design, and what we have seen so far, with the massive spending (and more to come), plus "health reform" and "cap & trade" on the runway warming up is just the anteroom for what is coming a little later unless we stop the first thrust.  The radical Dems want amnesty in some form passed before year-end, and all that will remain after that will be disarmament and the de facto outlawing of dissent (they know perfectly well that resistance springs from talk radio and the internet and those will have to be silenced or crippled).

What we saw last night was a disgrace.  Sophistry and mendacity, textbook examples.  We need to realize what we are up against.  As someone once said, "the debate is over."

[longeyes]

Let me lay it out there.  Three words.

Euthanasia.  Eugenics.  Genocide.

The usual fascist triad.

It's about more than "just" control or even, as Mark Steyn wittily put it, the "nationalizing of your body," or even the massive transfer of wealth from one class and one people to another.  This is far darker.

[HankB]

Yes, dems want amnesty and they want health care... but health care does not relate to amnesty any more than it is a common thread for the democratic party.

I heard on the radio that Democrats defeated a GOP-backed amendment which would have forbidden extending health care benefits to illegal aliens under the Obama plan . . .

[Monkeyleg]

I heard on the radio that Democrats defeated a GOP-backed amendment which would have forbidden extending health care benefits to illegal aliens under the Obama plan . . .

They're "undocumented workers." Get with the program.

[Reifen]

Even the AP can't ignore Obama's BS.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/FACT-CHECK-Obamas-health-care-apf-2748340478.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=main&asset=&ccode=

[Reifen]

Actually, here's another one by the NYT calling BS as well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/23/health/policy/23facts.html?_r=1

[longeyes]

The sheer chutzpah of Obama's intentions boggles the mind.

The American people are used to a certain amount of Good Faith in their Presidents.  How long before they are really on to this guy and what he truly wants for America?

We have a "broken" health care system, he tells us, and his solution is to make it government-run and throw trillions of dollars at it, then add another 50 million (no, make that 100 million after the amnesty) people to it.  Sure, that makes sense, sure.

If Americans are stupid enough to buy this agenda, they don't deserve the name Americans.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

The American people are used to a certain amount of Good Faith in their Presidents.  How long before they are really on to this guy and what he truly wants for America?

What if they American people want the same things Obama wants?

[longeyes]

Half do.

That's why I keep saying we can no longer have one country without destroying ourselves. 

[RevDisk]

Frankly, I fear America east of the Mississippi.  It's so unionized, socialized and gun-timid (with possible exceptions of Florida and New Hampshire) that the fabric that makes up its society lacks the courage to stand on its own two feet.  East America will resoundingly cheer nationalized Health Care from Maine to Florida, Louisiana to Michigan.

Dems will gain in the East, and lose a little in the West (plz let us chuck California into the sea!).  Until their crap gets implemented and people see what they bought into... but by then it will be too late since they will have implemented amnesty and secured another 20-25 million voters.

Holy overgeneralization Batman! 

Lemme think.  Volkswagen - Tennessee, Kia Motors - Georgia, Toyota Motor - Mississippi/Kentucky, BMW - South Carolina,  Nissan - Mississippi/Tennessee, Mercedes - Alabama.  Plus Honda in Ohio/Indiana, Toyota and Subaru-Toyota in Indiana.  Non-union for the overwhelming most part.   Just Michigan and Illinois that's overunionized.  Somewhat so in Maryland, NJ, lower NY, CT, and MA. 

As for gun-timid, you're WAY off.  My state (Pennsylvania) issues well over a million hunting licenses per year.  Significantly more than any other state in the US.   No one knows how many concealed carry permits are active, because the numbers are confidential.  But they cost $25, good for 5 years, have no additional requirements beyond which needed to purchase a firearm and must be in your hands within 45 days if they can't prove you should be disqualified or the issuing office is breaking the law.  We don't allow the feds to do our insta-check, it's done by our state.    We have ONE law on firearms and it forbids any other under penalty of law.   I can buy whatever firearm I want, as many as I want, where I want, when I want and by law, someone's committing a crime if they try to interfere with me from doing so.  Does YOUR state have such provisions?

There is a corridor going from south of DC to Boston that is a socialist hellhole.   Toss in socialist enclaves in Chicago, Detroit, and other big cities.  The rest of it is pretty decent.  Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, upper NY, all of PA minus Philly, West Virginia, and most of the south are generally decent and not bat crazy. 

[longeyes]

America's spiritual divide cannot be easily mapped.  We've gerrymandered this nation in very complex ways.  But is there a profound split?  Yes, there is.

[HankB]

They're "undocumented workers." Get with the program.

Pardon me . . . I'll remember that, along with the fact that dope dealers are "unofficial pharmacists,"  a bank robbery is an "exceptional withdrawl" and rape is "consent-deficient intercourse."

[Monkeyleg]

Pardon me . . . I'll remember that, along with the fact that dope dealers are "unofficial pharmacists,"  a bank robbery is an "exceptional withdrawl" and rape is "consent-deficient intercourse."

You forgot war as "overseas contingency operation" and terrorist attacks as "man caused disasters."

Looks like the MSM are jumping ship, and Obama's going down Carter Road.

[AZRedhawk44]

Holy overgeneralization Batman! 

Pennsylvania did cross my mind when I wrote that... but you guys have two "D" senators and your state went to Obama in '08.  Predominantly a "hunter" state rather than a 2A state.

Add in the steel foundries (big union).  Then, add the independent NICS rather than the Fed one being "good enough" and you get an impression that your state doesn't trust gun owners validated by NICS... they need to run their own.  Restrictive.

Yes, it's a generalization.  But, 51% can vote one way in 60% of our states while 60% can vote another way in 40% of our states and it represents a supposed landslide.  You're stuck in a state whose culture voted for 3 complete dingleberries.  What conclusions should I draw from that other than your state supports additional gun restrictions on top of FedGov, and likes big government?