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Title: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 29, 2008, 07:00:52 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,429503,00.html

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INDIANAPOLIS   A convicted sex offender died Sunday during a struggle with a father who found the naked man in or near his 17-year-old daughter's bedroom, police said.

Police responding to a call from the city's northwest side about 3:20 a.m. found 64-year-old Robert McNally on the hallway floor with his arm around the neck of 52-year-old David T. Meyers, who was pronounced dead at the scene.

Police spokesman Sgt. Matthew Mount said Meyers had a heart condition and may have had a heart attack. An autopsy was planned.

Shoulda hit him with a pipe.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Boomhauer on September 29, 2008, 07:06:13 AM
Yeah, ALL RIGHT!

The only good rapist is a dead rapist


Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: K Frame on September 29, 2008, 07:09:46 AM
HEY!

How do you we know that the daughter didn't invite this guy in?

Seems to me that he should be charged with the wanton, callous, and reckless murder of a human being!

Yes, in hindsight the guy was a very bad man, but how did Harry Homeowner know that?

Harry Homeowner EXECUTED this poor man!
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Boomhauer on September 29, 2008, 07:11:55 AM
HEY!

How do you we know that the daughter didn't invite this guy in?

Seems to me that he should be charged with the wanton, callous, and reckless murder of a human being!

Yes, in hindsight the guy was a very bad man, but how did Harry Homeowner know that?

Harry Homeowner EXECUTED this poor man!

And he took the law into his own hands!

Bad homeowner, bad homeowner!



Hell, I say the rapist got off easy. If I caught him, he would have died a very slow, very prolonged, very painful death. No cops would have ever been called.

Living way out in the country means being able to enjoy the screams without raising suspicion.





Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Devonai on September 29, 2008, 07:14:19 AM
I hope I'm still capable of strangling bad guys to death in another 32 years.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Jamisjockey on September 29, 2008, 07:16:06 AM
HEY!

How do you we know that the daughter didn't invite this guy in?

Seems to me that he should be charged with the wanton, callous, and reckless murder of a human being!

Yes, in hindsight the guy was a very bad man, but how did Harry Homeowner know that?

Harry Homeowner EXECUTED this poor man!

Did SS hack Irwin's account?
 laugh
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: K Frame on September 29, 2008, 07:19:43 AM
"Living way out in the country means being able to enjoy the screams without raising suspicion."

OK, that is solid gold funny right there...  laugh
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 29, 2008, 08:34:57 AM
Why are you people so afraid of sex? 
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Matthew Carberry on September 29, 2008, 09:12:40 AM
The totality of the circumstances on this one was just a wee bit different than t'other.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 29, 2008, 09:21:35 AM
Why are you people so afraid of sex? 
AHHhahahaha Fistful, you made me laugh. 
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Mabs2 on September 29, 2008, 09:26:54 AM
Why are you people so afraid of sex? 
Babies.

Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 29, 2008, 09:31:50 AM
HEY!

How do you we know that the daughter didn't invite this guy in?

How do we know the guy wasn't invited in?  Are you kidding me?!

The first clue was the fact that the daughter was screaming for help.

The second clue was the fact that the guy was holding her at knife point.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Boomhauer on September 29, 2008, 10:06:22 AM
HTG, your sarcasm meter is broken.

Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: roo_ster on September 29, 2008, 10:34:14 AM
I hope I am able to physically choke out men 12 years my junior when I am 64.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 29, 2008, 10:34:43 AM
HTG, your sarcasm meter is broken.

That's entirely possible...

 cheesy
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: K Frame on September 29, 2008, 11:37:14 AM
Hi...

I'd like to let everyone know that I've set up a PayPal account for donations.

I'd like to suggest that everyone contribute what they can to assist a dear friend of ours, Headless Thompson Gunner, in his time of need.

You see, his sarcasm meter is broken, and there is nothing more tragic than a man with a broken sarcasm meter.

Won't you please help?

Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: freedom lover on September 29, 2008, 11:52:14 AM
McNally should invest in a shotgun. It's so much more civilized.   grin
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on September 29, 2008, 11:53:59 AM
i don't know  being know as the father who choked that guy to death has gotta have deterent value
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: wideym on September 29, 2008, 02:23:56 PM
A shotgun maybe more civilized, but it's a real bitch to clean up afterwards.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Bigjake on September 29, 2008, 03:51:36 PM

You see, his sarcasm meter is broken, and there is nothing more tragic than a man with a broken sarcasm meter.

Won't you please help?



smack it with that pipe a few times, and it'll free itself up  laugh
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 29, 2008, 03:55:33 PM
A shotgun maybe more civilized, but it's a real bitch to clean up afterwards.

Oh, do let the servants clean it up.  Shall we all retire to the drawing room? 
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: RocketMan on September 29, 2008, 06:57:33 PM
McNally should invest in a shotgun. It's so much more civilized.   grin

But messy.  And it kind of takes away from the afterglow.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Uncle Bubba on September 29, 2008, 08:18:03 PM
I hope I am able to physically choke out men 12 years my junior when I am 64.


Pretty much what I thought after I read it, too. That's one tough old man.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: De Selby on September 29, 2008, 08:23:24 PM
The totality of the circumstances on this one was just a wee bit different than t'other.

Ding ding.

Hey, I readily admit the other man was cleared and rightly so-the difference is that I was homing in on what cleared him, and not on the whole "Hey, if I see a guy naked in my daughter's room I'm swinging away!" mentality, which will land you in jail.

What gets you off in these situation is a factual scenario indicating something more than just not knowing what was going on; rather, having good reason to believe that something sinister was in the works (sinister as in felonious conduct that your daughter does not consent to) is what clears a person under the castle doctrine laws.

But then again, I've got a couple months' wait before I can give legal advice (should the exam have gone well.)  I'm just one of many clowns with a law degree, so anyone who honestly wants to know should pay a real attorney for advice and see what he says in any state you choose.

Edited to correct typo (thanks for the spell check, Arfin-no that was not an intentional use of the word "honing" as opposed to "homing") 
Title: Pet Peeve
Post by: ArfinGreebly on September 29, 2008, 08:45:26 PM
Hi, I'm Garry, and I'll be your language pedant this evening.

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. . . was honing in . . .

That's homing in.  With an "M" in it.

Honing is what happens to knives.

Homing is what pigeons and radar do.

 grin

Please continue with the naked intruder stuff.

Title: Re: Pet Peeve
Post by: Matthew Carberry on September 29, 2008, 09:07:51 PM
Hi, I'm Garry, and I'll be your language pedant this evening.

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. . . was honing in . . .

That's homing in.  With an "M" in it.

Honing is what happens to knives.

Homing is what pigeons and radar do.

 grin

Please continue with the naked intruder stuff.



If you want me to continue with that stuff, I'm gonna need another drink.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 29, 2008, 09:09:02 PM
I've noticed this forum is frequently homoerotic...
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Matthew Carberry on September 29, 2008, 09:13:22 PM
I've noticed this forum is frequently homoerotic...

If you want me to continue with that homoerotic stuff, I'm going to need another drink.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: seeker_two on September 30, 2008, 01:44:04 AM
I've noticed this forum is frequently homoerotic...

...and yet you keep coming back.... Wink

Good ending to this particular naked-guy-in-daughter's-bedroom story....even a naked guy is packing a dangerous "weapon", as far as I'm concerned...and me and my shotgun will be looking to "disarm" the guy...  grin
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: 280plus on September 30, 2008, 02:20:05 AM
Why are you people so afraid of sex? 
We're afraid of YOU having sex, you might reproduce!  shocked

 grin
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: MicroBalrog on September 30, 2008, 02:50:16 AM
HTG, your sarcasm meter is broken.



No, he pointed out a HUGE difference between the to cases.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Firethorn on September 30, 2008, 03:40:38 AM
The first clue was the fact that the daughter was screaming for help.

To be fair, the pipe incident had daddy investigating 'wierd noises'.  Given that I doubt he normally carries a length of pipe around, said wierd noises were apparently enough to make him feel the need to arm himself.

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The second clue was the fact that the guy was holding her at knife point.

That and the latex mask/gloves combined with extreme age difference.

Similar points:
Disturbing noises - Strangling Dad wins with actual screams
Strangers - Neither dad knew the perp before the encounter in/around their daughter's bedroom
Naked - Strangling Dad wins with the added creepyness of mask/gloves.

Dissimilar points:
Criminal record - The guy who got strangled had a criminal(sexual) record, the one hit with a pipe presumably didn't.
Consequences -  the guy who was actually attacking got killed, the one who was merely trespassing got a nasty hit to the head.
Age of presumed victim - The daughter of the strangler is a legal adult, at this time the daughter of the pipe wielder is a minor.

Honestly enough, I think the two incidents being examined had proportionate and fairly reasonable responses.  I think these incidents point towards letting ALL the adults know that you're staying over night, lest you be presumed an intruder.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Intune on September 30, 2008, 04:36:18 AM
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I hope I am able to physically choke out men 12 years my junior when I am 64.
Isn't that a line from a Beatles song?   cool
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: roo_ster on September 30, 2008, 05:06:42 AM
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I hope I am able to physically choke out men 12 years my junior when I am 64.
Isn't that a line from a Beatles song?   cool

That was the original lyric, suggested by Ringo (the only sensible Beatle). 

Lennon, however, objected and McCartney agreed in the basis that choking out was more violent than getting shot and finding Jesus whilst recovering. 

Harrison was out looking for his wife, who had disappeared with Eric Clapton in another recording studio.  He would have voted to go with "strangle," but was too late and the call had been made.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: coppertales on September 30, 2008, 12:04:25 PM
I am 64 but a world class powerlifter.  I would just stab him with the Mosin Nagant M44 I have next to the bed.  I hate to wake SWMBO up in the middle of the night.......chris3
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: TexasRifleman on September 30, 2008, 03:38:10 PM
It's pretty much standing policy around here to shoot anyone in the house that's naked except for me and my wife Smiley
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: RadioFreeSeaLab on September 30, 2008, 04:47:57 PM
Good policy.  I think I'll adopt that as my own.
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Matthew Carberry on September 30, 2008, 05:17:50 PM
It's pretty much standing policy around here to shoot anyone in the house that's naked except for me and my wife Smiley

Mental note, modify normal party behavior at TR's house.  grin
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 30, 2008, 05:21:13 PM
Watch for carebear's friends to adopt this forward-looking new policy. 
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: seeker_two on October 01, 2008, 01:36:40 AM
It's pretty much standing policy around here to shoot anyone in the house that's naked except for me and my wife Smiley

I know that guests using your shower does run up the water bill, but isn't that a little extreme?....
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: 280plus on October 01, 2008, 01:39:06 AM
I am 64 but a world class powerlifter.  I would just stab him with the Mosin Nagant M44 I have next to the bed.  I hate to wake SWMBO up in the middle of the night.......chris3
What is your weight class and max lifts?  grin
Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: TexasRifleman on October 01, 2008, 03:55:07 AM
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I know that guests using your shower does run up the water bill, but isn't that a little extreme?....

Over the years I've subtly and successfully convinced all the relatives that they like the Comfort Inn down the road better.

Title: Re: On naked intruders and deadly force
Post by: grampster on October 01, 2008, 05:03:01 AM
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I hope I am able to physically choke out men 12 years my junior when I am 64.

In the meantime, you can continue choking the chicken.  grin