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Title: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 10:42:25 AM
42 floors, 715ft (seems tall for the number of floors) owned by  China Telecom, looks like the entire building is in flames.
State media is saying zero casualties which is hard to believe IMHO. Hope everyone got out safe.

Major fire engulfs skyscraper in Changsha, central China
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/16/major-fire-breaks-out-at-skyscraper-in-changsha-china

Video

 Huge fire engulfs skyscraper in China
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QA96fCpHiR8
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: Brad Johnson on September 16, 2022, 10:45:37 AM
Holy (insert choice of expletive here).

Brad
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: MillCreek on September 16, 2022, 10:49:12 AM
The Towering Inferno in real life.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: K Frame on September 16, 2022, 11:07:32 AM
Same builder who built Grenfell Tower?
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 11:09:13 AM
Same builder who built Grenfell Tower?

Yeah I was going to say it reminded me of that in the way it was burning
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: Ben on September 16, 2022, 11:34:52 AM
One might call me a wimp for having a fear of living at the top of a tall building (and I'm not afraid of heights). Then you might watch this video.

I could never live in an average NYC apartment building, and not just because of the shitty living conditions.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: bedlamite on September 16, 2022, 12:09:21 PM
Cha Bu Duo
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 12:11:27 PM
Cha Bu Duo

Loosely translate to "close enough" or "almost"
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: HankB on September 16, 2022, 02:26:24 PM
One might call me a wimp for having a fear of living at the top of a tall building (and I'm not afraid of heights). Then you might watch this video.

I could never live in an average NYC apartment building, and not just because of the shitty living conditions.
Your daily safety depends on WAY too many people you don't know.

I'd want a parachute and a way of getting out and away from the building so the chute could open.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: dogmush on September 16, 2022, 02:38:23 PM
Chute's take practice and can take a while to open.  You'd be better off with a rappelling rig bolted to the wall ready to go.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: HankB on September 16, 2022, 03:50:50 PM
Chute's take practice and can take a while to open.  You'd be better off with a rappelling rig bolted to the wall ready to go.
Good idea - rappelling doesn't take any practice at all.  :rofl:

Valid point about taking time for a chute to open, though - you're probably better off using a chute from the 70th floor rather than the 5th.

Hmmm . . . hang glider . . .
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: tokugawa on September 16, 2022, 05:06:35 PM
Some years ago in a thrift store I came across a suitcase, with a harness , and about 500 ft of line in it, and instructions- it was, as far as I could tell, a ready made high rise escape kit.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: WLJ on September 16, 2022, 05:33:31 PM
Some years ago in a thrift store I came across a suitcase, with a harness , and about 500 ft of line in it, and instructions- it was, as far as I could tell, a ready made high rise escape kit.

That's great if the 30 floors below you aren't engulfed in flames
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: BobR on September 16, 2022, 05:43:10 PM
Chute's take practice and can take a while to open.  You'd be better off with a rappelling rig bolted to the wall ready to go.

Below 200 ft AGL you really don't want to try a parachute jump unless you are very experienced at BASE jumping and have the correct gear. But hey, death by burning or death by a sudden stop at the end of a fall, each one ends the same.

bob
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: dogmush on September 16, 2022, 06:35:13 PM
Good idea - rappelling doesn't take any practice at all.  :rofl:

Valid point about taking time for a chute to open, though - you're probably better off using a chute from the 70th floor rather than the 5th.

Hmmm . . . hang glider . . .

Decenders are pretty idiot proof.  Besides a rope gives you the option of going out Aussie and doing a superhero landing at the bottom.  Way cooler than being pulled down the street be a car when your chute blows into traffic.  =D
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 16, 2022, 07:32:56 PM
The Towering Inferno in real life.

You beat me to it. I was going to say, "Life imitates art": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nch1URmJvMA
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: French G. on September 16, 2022, 10:10:39 PM
I dunno, after WTC 1993 I thought that BASE jumping would be a necessary hobby if I worked in a building like that. Then again I make a career out of not going past the second floor if I can avoid it.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 17, 2022, 01:16:42 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cphle9wkjCE

According to multiple articles, the fire was reported at 3:48 p.m. and was out by 4:20 p.m. I'd love to know how they put out that fire in half an hour.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: MechAg94 on September 17, 2022, 04:25:08 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cphle9wkjCE

According to multiple articles, the fire was reported at 3:48 p.m. and was out by 4:20 p.m. I'd love to know how they put out that fire in half an hour.
In that video, you can see water spraying on the building and it only reaches several floors up.  The only way I can imagine it is if there was fire water nozzles along every floor up to the top that were not in operation (left off?) and were suddenly turned on and were able to put water to every floor up the building. 
Only other thing that comes to mind is if the fire didn't reach into the building very far and it burned off whatever it was on the outside that was fueling the fire.  That assumes something external was burning.
Just guesses.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on September 18, 2022, 12:18:37 PM
In that video, you can see water spraying on the building and it only reaches several floors up.  The only way I can imagine it is if there was fire water nozzles along every floor up to the top that were not in operation (left off?) and were suddenly turned on and were able to put water to every floor up the building. 
Only other thing that comes to mind is if the fire didn't reach into the building very far and it burned off whatever it was on the outside that was fueling the fire.  That assumes something external was burning.
Just guesses.

The orange flames and thick black smoke looked like an oil fire. The fact that it was out in half an hour could be explained by a big oil spill down the side of the building hence the quick burnout/extinguish.

As far as escaping such a fire, I'd recommend a rocket pack ejection seat aimed at a nice big window with a clear path beyond. :old:

Woody
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: RocketMan on September 18, 2022, 03:56:58 PM
From the video it looked like mostly an exterior cladding fire.  There were quite a few flaming chunks drifting off the building down to the ground a ways from the base. The fire had penetrated into the building proper on some floors.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 18, 2022, 07:09:25 PM
From the video it looked like mostly an exterior cladding fire.  There were quite a few flaming chunks drifting off the building down to the ground a ways from the base. The fire had penetrated into the building proper on some floors.

Yepp. I'm guessing flammable foam insulation on the exterior. Same thing that created the problem at that English public housing tower that went up like a torch.
Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: bedlamite on September 18, 2022, 08:16:26 PM
Loosely translate to "close enough" or "almost"

It's an attitude there.

"They are literally making them out of freaking cardboard"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XopSDJq6w8E

Title: Re: Skyscraper on fire in China
Post by: JTHunter on September 18, 2022, 10:19:59 PM
Your daily safety depends on WAY too many people you don't know.

I'd want a parachute and a way of getting out and away from the building so the chute could open.

A "wing suit" will let you get far enough away to open the chute safely and not get it on fire too.