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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: vaskidmark on September 29, 2013, 10:23:49 AM
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stay safe.
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I'd like to see an accurate accounting of how much money goes into prepping for shutdowns that never happen. Like the last few years, I've been getting emails and phone calls from DC to the local level about prepping our offices for shutdown. Shutting down computer systems, taking everyone's cell phones from them, securing offices, etc. Then at 1159PM tomorrow, some "deal" will be struck and the govt will remain open and we have to go back in and undo all the stuff we prepped for. Multiply that by several hundred thousand federal offices and the costs will make your blood boil.
While I wouldn't mind seeing the gov shutdown for a month or two, so that people could see just what services they really don't need (because critical stuff will still be online), a one or two day shutdown (plus the preps) costs WAY more than just leaving everything running.
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I'd like to see .gov shutdown to be real- no free flights home for congress critters, all alphabet agencies including secret service being furloughed.... >:D
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I'd like to see .gov shutdown to be real- no free flights home for congress critters, all alphabet agencies including secret service being furloughed.... >:D
Shut down ATC and there will be no flights anywhere =D
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I live in an increasingly liberal urban metro area. I won't lack for any of those, irrespective of fedgov participation.
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Shut down ATC and there will be no flights anywhere =D
VFR works for me.
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VFR works for me.
Very Fast Reflexes...? =|
=D
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Shut down ATC and there will be no flights anywhere =D
The "Cut my nuts off to lower my carbon buttprint" weatherguy should be cool with that.
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Government shutdowns are such BS.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/a-history-of-us-government-shutdowns-and-how-the-stock-market-reacted/2013/09/27/41e26ee2-27ab-11e3-9372-92606241ae9c_story.html
It doesn't seem to hurt the stock markets very much.
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/federalbudgetprocess/a/Government-Shutdowns.htm
But it does affect some people. As a .gov employee, I don't see it doing anything to my job, my pay, or my workload. So, at best, it is a hyped, targeted shutdown of many non-essential services. Even then, they will be back before you can say "continuing resolution".
Politicians, what a bunch of *expletive deleted*che nozzles, they have no concern for the country as a whole, just their tiny little slice of fame. We need to do away with career politicians, but that is a subject for another thread.
bob
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stay safe.
Or as Rush Limbaugh said, if all of those illegal immigrants are "in the shadows," can we trade places with them?
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When Clinton shut the government down, I would have been completely UNAWARE of it if not for news reports. Even afterwards, the only folks I know of who were inconvenienced were some vacationers who found some museums (e.g, the Smithsonian) and national parks closed.
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I was told I could use vacation, NOT sick, the gov guys were getting paid but nobody would admit it. I grabbed the oldest boy & went hunting for three days.
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How about in the CR only keeping the "essential" services after the shutdown, and dumping everything else.
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See, easy-peasy.
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See, easy-peasy.
Wish they would have done that in some places I've worked.
Start a reaction (which is a hot item, has to get to the customer, zero padding built in on the lead time , just-in-time manufacturing, $300,000 of product)that takes 14 hours of monitoring before it can be safely shutdown, front office tells everyone they can leave due to inclimate weather, and calls the next shift to tell them not to come in, you end up with a a pair of pissed off chemists working a double shift when everyone else goes home by 11 A.M.
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Never been divorced, eh?
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Wish they would have done that in some places I've worked.
Start a reaction (which is a hot item, has to get to the customer, zero padding built in on the lead time , just-in-time manufacturing, $300,000 of product)that takes 14 hours of monitoring before it can be safely shutdown, front office tells everyone they can leave due to inclimate weather, and calls the next shift to tell them not to come in, you end up with a a pair of pissed off chemists working a double shift when everyone else goes home by 11 A.M.
My company is quick to remind us that all of us are "essential personnel". Even record setting blizzard conditions or state level declared disaster area due to ice storm, are no excuse to not come to work. Oh, and if you need to talk to the boss call her at home, she can't get to her office today.
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My company is quick to remind us that all of us are "essential personnel". Even record setting blizzard conditions or state level declared disaster area due to ice storm, are no excuse to not come to work. Oh, and if you need to talk to the boss call her at home, she can't get to her office today.
I had a day that I 'had' to go in to check some work after a big snow storm. I was 1 of 3 people that showed up that day- out of a possible 115. I have pictures somewhere where the snow in the parking lot was up over my bumpers.
I'll admit, the drive in was a rare treat, I was one of the few fools on the road for the 30 mile commute. The downtown Milwaukee are looked like it had been nuked- no cars on the roads except police, no people outside, and I saw a few cars in the ditches near the lake where you could only see their roof or antenna sticking through the snow.
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My company is quick to remind us that all of us are "essential personnel". Even record setting blizzard conditions or state level declared disaster area due to ice storm, are no excuse to not come to work. Oh, and if you need to talk to the boss call her at home, she can't get to her office today.
Right there with you. A few years back, we had a record-setting back-to-back pair of snowstorms one year, followed the next year by a less-bad storm, here in NoVA. I made it to work just before the first storm that first year, and stayed on site for 3 days straight (we'd been paying attention to the forecasts, and all of us were prepared to stay; there are at least half-assed facilities to stay on site if necessary, for Ops crews). And got screwed out of about half the overtime pay I was due under the rules in place when the storm hit - teh Bosses rewrote the rules after the storms but before the paychecks to change the definitions and cut essential-personnel overtime (well, everyone's, but the ones getting it that period were the ~40% of staff rated "essential"), issued that paycheck, and changed those rules back again. Had to make sure their bonuses for not blowing financial goals didn't get impacted...
Next year's storm, it was a co-worker - well, he allegedly worked, anyways... - on the offgoing Ops shift who, after being told in advance "Come in prepared to stay overnight," decided instead to go home and come back in the next morning. He was told before leaving, "If you go, you WILL be here, on time." Of course he wasn't. The rest of us only stayed there one day that time.
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I made it to the office every day on time during our blizzard event. 2 nights I had to spend time with a snow shovel to even gain access to the building. I counted that as work time.
My company vehicle is a Chevy Astro. The snow was drifted to the head lights in the lot and there was a waist deep drift across the gates. Company didn't get the lot cleared for 4 days. My boss suggested I shovel it clear so I could travel. I asked her what part of having an overweight, middle aged office worker shoveling snow in single digit temps, at night, alone, really sounded like a good idea to her.
:facepalm:
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???
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This article says nothing will change with the shutdown. What say you?
http://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/09/28/debt_ceiling_government_spending_failing_to_pay_the_bills_doesn_t_mean_you.html
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???
Whoever leaves considers themselves "non-essential" and will be laid off.
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Never been divorced, eh?
Snort!