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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Ben on February 04, 2014, 10:28:42 PM
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I didn't know this new 1500 was already out. 28MPG highway - most fuel efficient 1/2 ton on the market and still has decent horsepower. I might not want to pull a fifth wheel with it, but I think it's definitely great for the more casual pickup driver. It'll be interesting to see how sales do.
http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2014/02/04/ram-1500-ecodiesel-rated-at-28-mpg/?intcmp=features
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If only it wasn't a Dodge =(
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If only it wasn't a Dodge =(
QFT. =(
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I haven't kept up with deisel prices. What is the $ efficiency?
How much extra cost is that engine over the stock engine? I don't care if it is more efficient if they charge $4K more for that engine.
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Don't all dodges come with a free set of truck nutz?
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I haven't kept up with deisel prices. What is the $ efficiency?
How much extra cost is that engine over the stock engine? I don't care if it is more efficient if they charge $4K more for that engine.
I'm paying $4.20/gal right now (when I bought my diesel, diesel was significantly cheaper than gas), so fuel cost definitely comes into play, and I'm sure the engine is several $K more. Power and longevity are a big plus though. Hopefully this is an impetus for Ford to get that diesel F-150 out the freakin' door.
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Power and longevity are a big plus though.
Yeah, but the pickup needs to last as long as the engine ;/
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Yeah, but the pickup needs to last as long as the engine ;/
Yep, I have seen quite a few Cummins I-6 turbodeisels rolling down the road with some sorry collection of Mopar parts hanging on for the ride.
Besides, do you really want to generate chuckles and stares for driving an Italian truck built in Mexico?
Ram Trucks (formally known as the Ram Truck Division) is a United States-based brand of light to mid-weight pickup trucks established in 2009 as a division of Chrysler Group LLC, a wholly owned subsidiary of Italian multinational automaker Fiat S.p.A.. It was formerly known as the Dodge Truck Division.
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Saltillo Truck Assembly, Saltillo, Coahuila, Mexico. The plant manufactures the full range of the Ram truck series as well as the DX Chassis cab. The plant has won numerous awards and has been recognized as the Chrysler groups best truck facility in terms of build quality.[6] The Saltillo stamping plant is also attached to the facility.
Does FIAT stand for Fix It Again Tony or Fix It Again Tony?
<insert truck nutz joke here>
OTOH, I think it is great to see a small diesel in a half ton. If only the EPA would stop kicking diesel technology in the jimmy, the truck would likely get 25% better MPG.
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Yeah, but the pickup needs to last as long as the engine ;/
My last Chevy 1500 was 9 years old when I sold it and bought my Ford F-150 Ecoboost. The F-150 has reached about 35K miles with no issues to date. I don't need a work truck and generally don't haul a bunch of stuff or pull trailers so light duty is fine for me. I don't need any more logevity than that.
I have a relative who does pipeline welding and has his own welding rig and such. He buys the deisels, but he is also buying heavier duty trucks.
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I don't need any more logevity than that.
I've got two Chevy/GMC with 200++ K miles.
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It's been my experience that diesels get 30-50% better fuel economy than their gasoline-fed brethren (presuming same truck, same load). Right now gas is 2.85 and diesel is 3.45 here. The Powerstroke is an $8000-ish option. At 18 mpg highway that's a minimum 240,000 mile payback figured solely on fuel economy using today's prices.
If you don't need a diesel for specific reasons, it's a waste of money or an I-just-want-one thing. However, if you need a truck that'll tow hugemongous loads and keep driveline breakage/service costs down, there's nothing better. Diesels from any of the big three are pretty much bulletproof these days, and the power they're getting out of them right from the factory is staggering. And it's reliable power, too, not something you can have for the few miles it takes to roast the tranny, thrash the mains, or grenade the diff. Impressive as heck, that.
Brad
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My 15 year old ford has 170k miles on it and runs great but it's blowing out rust holes like crazy. It's a super duty F250 with a V10 gas chugger and they haven't all been gentle miles, pulled and hauled a lot of stuff.
I would love to shot for a new or different truck but my gosh they price them so dang high and I go for days without needing a truck.
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please to be putting the 3 liter diesel into gladiator
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please to be putting the 3 liter diesel into gladiator
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Is that a For Real Going Into Production or just a concept mockup? (Please be production... Please be production... Please be production...)
Brad
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Is that a For Real Going Into Production or just a concept mockup? (Please be production... Please be production... Please be production...)
Chrysler isn't that smart...
They keep showing cool concepts but never releasing them. They tease us with them but never release them. I don't know why they do it but it is frustrating.
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I could see a small diesel with good mileage and at least equivalent power, but I don't want to have to pay thousands for the option. As a standard option, it would make more sense.
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Don't all dodges come with a free set of truck nutz?
That sucks. At least with a Ford, you get a free dog.
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Is that a For Real Going Into Production or just a concept mockup? (Please be production... Please be production... Please be production...)
Brad
it is my understanding that diesel will be in the Cherokee in 2015. Never heard if they were planning to put it in the Wrangler. I wish they would.
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I've got two Chevy/GMC with 200++ K miles.
The '97 Dodge I bought in '98 has 290K+ on it. It does need a water pump at the moment though.
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http://www.wired.com/autopia/2014/02/volkswagen-sochi-olympics
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please to be putting the 3 liter diesel into gladiator
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Don't mind me, I'll be over here fapping.
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please to be putting the 3 liter diesel into gladiator
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At last, I finally understand the Jeep thing. That is noice.
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The 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee is get a 3.0 v6 ecodiesel engine , but it a $4,500 option.
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At last, I finally understand the Jeep thing. That is noice.
Too much chrome and shiny stuff for a real Jeep.
Remember folks, never buy the first production run of anything.
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Too much chrome and shiny stuff for a real Jeep.
Remember folks, never buy the first production run of anything.
And probably too expensive to even consider taking off of a paved road :facepalm:
I saw an M715 in the local "shopper." V8 conversion, and needs a cab top. $4500 seems awful high to me for a wood truck. =(
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The VW Amorok with the 2.0 liter diesel looks interesting
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The price? In the Mexican market the 4x2 Amarok with a 140-hp TDI engine starts at the equivalent of $24,600, and tops out at approximately $37,600 for the loaded Highline trim, essentially a version with just about every option. The gasoline version in the Mexican market runs between $29,623 and $30,082. So while the price of entry is reasonable, options do pile up quickly. But those diesel engines certainly look good on paper, and might look even better at the gas pump.
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140110/carnews01/140109965
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The VW Amorok with the 2.0 liter diesel looks interesting
http://googlepixel.com/images/Amorok.jpg
The price? In the Mexican market the 4x2 Amarok with a 140-hp TDI engine starts at the equivalent of $24,600, and tops out at approximately $37,600 for the loaded Highline trim, essentially a version with just about every option. The gasoline version in the Mexican market runs between $29,623 and $30,082. So while the price of entry is reasonable, options do pile up quickly. But those diesel engines certainly look good on paper, and might look even better at the gas pump.
Read more: http://www.autoweek.com/article/20140110/carnews01/140109965
Very Nissan/Suzuki like, I wonder if there is a partnership.
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And probably too expensive to even consider taking off of a paved road :facepalm:
I saw an M715 in the local "shopper." V8 conversion, and needs a cab top. $4500 seems awful high to me for a wood truck. =(
Depends on the quality of the conversion. If they just shoe-horned a salvage yard V8 in then not even close. If they did it "right" then they are in the ballpark if the rest of the rig is in decent shape and has a good tires, clean title/street legal. a re-pop canvas top can be had for about $300 form these guys. It's where I bought mine and it is a good quailty piece.
http://www.surplusjeep.com/ (http://www.surplusjeep.com/)
I'm not sure I'd turn mine loose for $4500. I didn't for the $4000 offer I got last spring. $5000 would get my attention for certain, as a stating place anyway. I ran into a Viet Nam vet I know that fell in lust with it, he'd driven one in Nam and also in Germany and wanted it pretty bad offerd me $7500 cash on the spot, started countng out bills. My conscience reared it's uggly little head and made me explain what the actual market value of the rig was and that I wasn't interted in selling at that price -yet-. I've only uded it a little so far this year, moving big stacks of wood from th cuttin operation to my drying stacks and we used it pull down a large 26" diam oak that had died too close to my house. I cut the notch and motioned for him just to take a strain on the chain as I started on the back cut. The driver of my M715 thought I ment for him to go for it. I wasn't even in the full depth of the saw blade when he pulled it down right where I wanted it.
He was walking a little slow, kind of "stiff legged" =D when he got out of the truck.
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Question on gasser vs diesel pricing:
It is that much more costly to produce a diesel-powered auto to justify the above $4500? Or is it more a function of charging what the market will bear?
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$4500 seems awful high to me for a wood truck.
I'm not totally sure, but I think they make them out of metal nowadays, Tallpine.
They have been since just after you bought your latest vehicle, I'd wager. ;)
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I'm not totally sure, but I think they make them out of metal nowadays, Tallpine.
They have been since just after you bought your latest vehicle, I'd wager. ;)
I had one made out of logs :P
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I had one made out of logs :P
just the wheels? or wheels and frame?
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just the wheels? or wheels and frame?
It was a "log truck" so according to Gewehr98's logic ... ;/
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Don't all dodges come with a free set of truck nutz?
Yep.
And the Diesel Dodges come with a free set of Extra Large truck nutz.
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Question on gasser vs diesel pricing:
It is that much more costly to produce a diesel-powered auto to justify the above $4500? Or is it more a function of charging what the market will bear?
A bit of both of course.
It's pretty much a given, at least in the US, that there will be fewer diesel units sold. That in itself means a higher per-unit cost. Then of course almost nothing is shared with their gasser brethren in the engine and transmission categories, most everything being much heavier. In addition there are things like electric vacuum pumps to run various HVAC items along with a few emissions devices borrowed from gassers. Power brakes mean some form of Hydroboost instead of the cheaper vacuum boosters. R&D for emissions and durability testing will be specific to the diesels and so on.
Plus diesel trucks are popular so they know they can charge a premium and get away with it.
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A bit of both of course.
It's pretty much a given, at least in the US, that there will be fewer diesel units sold. That in itself means a higher per-unit cost. Then of course almost nothing is shared with their gasser brethren in the engine and transmission categories, most everything being much heavier. In addition there are things like electric vacuum pumps to run various HVAC items along with a few emissions devices borrowed from gassers. Power brakes mean some form of Hydroboost instead of the cheaper vacuum boosters. R&D for emissions and durability testing will be specific to the diesels and so on.
Plus diesel trucks are popular so they know they can charge a premium and get away with it.
All that, and they need to charge a premium because you won't be trading it in as soon.
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http://automotorcar.com/volkswagen/2011-volkswagen-amarok
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ermahgerd
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http://automotorcar.com/volkswagen/2011-volkswagen-amarok
FSM at home?
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Is there an engine somewhere under all that crap, or do you just wind up the rubber tubing to make it go?
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i see several 100 dollar OEM hoses that change diameter and have molded in bends and swerves
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do not look behind the curtain
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I had one made out of logs :P
Did you ever sell it?
http://www.inautonews.com/fred-flintstone%E2%80%99s-car-for-sale-on-the-internet-photo-gallery (http://www.inautonews.com/fred-flintstone%E2%80%99s-car-for-sale-on-the-internet-photo-gallery)
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If only I was more ambitious, I would do something like this with my C-20:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mP4_ZukfL4Y
Did you ever sell it?
I traded off the 1965 GMC with the loader and trailer along with other stuff for an old tractor and a flatbed that I could tow behind a pickup. Short end of the deal but the other guy had to pay to move all my stuff, since by then it would cost a fortune just to get it legal to drive across the street, let alone across the state. He did his own horse trading with it and last I heard it was destroyed in a forest fire =(