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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: Jamisjockey on December 27, 2016, 10:53:49 AM
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http://abc13.com/news/mom-walks-30-hours-through-snow-to-help-family/1674468/
Leaving the relative safety of the car
Not being prepared for winter backcountry driving
Not using a backup form of navigation
Driving onto snow covered forest service roads without the ability to self rescue
I'm amused by how easily the husband ended up getting cell reception.
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[popcorn]
Did the husband even put up a fight to be the one to go "searching" for help?
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Damn. Stories like that usually end with "Searchers are still trying to locate X," followed a couple of months later by "The body of X, who tried to walk to rescue after becoming snowbound has been located..."
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At least she will end up with cheaper pedicure bills after this adventure!! =|
bob
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[popcorn]
Did the husband even put up a fight to be the one to go "searching" for help?
I think the conversation went like this:
"You'll have to go for help."
"I'm not the one who put the car in the ditch. Go for help yourself, wonder-woman."
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When she ran out of food and water, she ate pine twigs and drank her urine, her sister told the Morning Call newspaper.
Insert Bear Grylls meme here.
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Insert Bear Grylls meme here.
Why? Did someone end up drinking their own pee?
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Why? Did someone end up drinking their own pee?
The silly little woman did.
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These are either two of the stupidest people on the planet or we aren't getting the whole story. Two professors no less teaching college...
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Darwin has been cheated.
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One has to feel sorry for the child in question that it has two clueless parents.
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Arizona State Route 67, which leads to the canyon's north rim, is closed for the winter and their car's GPS detoured them through forest service roads.
She thought the nearest major highway was only a short trek away.
My bet: The GPS re-routed them and they either didn't know or didn't care why. They were very close to the closed highway, probably running more or less parallel, but didn't know it was closed.
That said the woman was incredibly stupid and lucky to be alive. Even if he had delegated her (provided she was in better shape than he) to go check out the road, they should have had a contingency plan in place for her to come back to the car.
So stupid.
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Why? Did someone end up drinking their own pee?
You've all missed the most important quote in this!
Stranded on a secluded road with heavy snow falling... subsisting on twigs and her urine...
THERE WAS SNOW. SNOW IS FLUFFY FROZEN WATER. YOU CAN EAT THE SNOW IF YA NEED WATER!
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You've all missed the most important quote in this!
THERE WAS SNOW. SNOW IS FLUFFY FROZEN WATER. YOU CAN EAT THE SNOW IF YA NEED WATER!
Actually if eat snow as snow you will cool your core temp quickly. To eat snow properly, you should melt it and actually drink the water.
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You've all missed the most important quote in this!
THERE WAS SNOW. SNOW IS FLUFFY FROZEN WATER. YOU CAN EAT THE SNOW IF YA NEED WATER!
Klein knew eating snow would hasten hypothermia.
One of the few, if only smart decision she made. ;)
As prepared as she was I would bet she didn't consider taking something to make fire with her. Fire would make it too easy to stay warm and to melt snow and that would not play well in the "Made for TV Movie", we need hardship and adversity to fuel the sympathy the audience will feel for her.
Besides, the pee was already at her basal temp. ;)
bob
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Actually if eat snow as snow you will cool your core temp quickly. To eat snow properly, you should melt it and actually drink the water.
and it takes a LOT of snow to make a little water.
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and it takes a LOT of snow to make a little water.
That depends on the "fluff quotient" of the snow. [tinfoil] [popcorn]
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That depends on the "fluff quotient" of the snow. [tinfoil] [popcorn]
I think we should stop now before we all end up in a battle royal over fluffyness of snow vs. water quantity.
I don't know why, but this drift makes me think of the cornbread wars... [tinfoil]
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I think we should stop now before we all end up in a battle royal over fluffyness of snow vs. water quantity.
I don't know why, but this drift makes me think of the cornbread wars... [tinfoil]
There is no comparison, you don't put sugar in snow to make water, unless you plan on making sweet tea with it. :)
bob
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There is no comparison, you don't put sugar in snow to make water, unless you plan on making sweet tea with it. :)
bob
... I think we've come close to thread lock over sweet and tea before, too. :facepalm:
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A few years back, SWMBO needed to go home (near Buffalo, N.Y.) in winter, and I could not go along. So, I packed her car for the trip. Keep in mind, she was going to be driving major interstate highways most of the way. Still, I packed canned food, candy, sleeping bag, water bottles, a small pot, several candles, multiple lighters and matches, shovel, orange plastic poncho, 100 feet of paracord, multi-tool, small supply of dry firewood, a folding saw, and a fixed blade knife. This was along with the normal tool bag, jumper cables, first aid supplies, etc. I can't imagine intentionally driving through remote areas with no survival gear. But, I guess that's why we'll be surviving the zombies, not becoming walkers. :laugh:
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A few years back, SWMBO needed to go home (near Buffalo, N.Y.) in winter, and I could not go along. So, I packed her car for the trip. Keep in mind, she was going to be driving major interstate highways most of the way. Still, I packed canned food, candy, sleeping bag, water bottles, a small pot, several candles, multiple lighters and matches, shovel, orange plastic poncho, 100 feet of paracord, multi-tool, small supply of dry firewood, a folding saw, and a fixed blade knife. This was along with the normal tool bag, jumper cables, first aid supplies, etc. I can't imagine intentionally driving through remote areas with no survival gear. But, I guess that's why we'll be surviving the zombies, not becoming walkers. :laugh:
I keep most of that stuff along with a lot of other stuff in my car on a daily basis and I only regularly drive about 15 miles back and forth to work. I was a Boy Scout though and took the be prepared part to extremes at times. I also have gotten stuck in snow storms for over 20 hours or so when I lived in Colorado up around Rocky Mountain National Park area.
And yes eating snow can contribute to hypothermia, but at only 30 hours in she certainly shouldn't have been at the point of needing to drink urine for one. Secondly if she had a container to contain urine then she should have been able to melt snow. Putting aside arguments about the water content of various types of snow.
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I keep most of that stuff along with a lot of other stuff in my car on a daily basis and I only regularly drive about 15 miles back and forth to work. I was a Boy Scout though and took the be prepared part to extremes at times. I also have gotten stuck in snow storms for over 20 hours or so when I lived in Colorado up around Rocky Mountain National Park area.
And yes eating snow can contribute to hypothermia, but at only 30 hours in she certainly shouldn't have been at the point of needing to drink urine for one. Secondly if she had a container to contain urine then she should have been able to melt snow.
Putting aside arguments about the water content of various types of snow.
She just might be very flexible.
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I think we should stop now before we all end up in a battle royal over fluffyness of snow vs. water quantity.
I don't know why, but this drift makes me think of the cornbread wars... [tinfoil]
Snow?
Drift?
Do I detect a nascent pun?
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A few years back, SWMBO needed to go home (near Buffalo, N.Y.) in winter, and I could not go along. So, I packed her car for the trip. Keep in mind, she was going to be driving major interstate highways most of the way. Still, I packed canned food, candy, sleeping bag, water bottles, a small pot, several candles, multiple lighters and matches, shovel, orange plastic poncho, 100 feet of paracord, multi-tool, small supply of dry firewood, a folding saw, and a fixed blade knife. This was along with the normal tool bag, jumper cables, first aid supplies, etc. I can't imagine intentionally driving through remote areas with no survival gear. But, I guess that's why we'll be surviving the zombies, not becoming walkers. :laugh:
By contrast, the year after I married my late wife (in Chile) she bought a Kia Sportage here in the U.S. and had it shipped to Chile for us to use when we visited there. The car was shipped to the port of Iquique, all the way at the north end of Chile. Her family was in Santiago, which is two or three days drive from Iquique. On top of that, she wanted to detour easterly to visit an old friend, and to show me San Pedro de Atacama, a quaint little town -- in the middle of the Atacama desert. This was a vehicle entirely new to us, mind you. Before we set out from Iquique, I suggested that we should stock up with some water, oil, and a few hand tools. She wouldn't hear of it.
Naturally, the car broke down outside of San Pedro and we were stuck there for two days until we jury rigged a way to get it moving, and limped back to Iquique. It's a very good thing I don't know how to say "I told you so" in Spanish.
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Actually if eat snow as snow you will cool your core temp quickly. To eat snow properly, you should melt it and actually drink the water.
This. Eating snow is a BAD idea. You can melt it in your mouth, but you'll be hard pressed to get enough water out of it before you drop your core temp.
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A few years back, SWMBO needed to go home (near Buffalo, N.Y.) in winter, and I could not go along. So, I packed her car for the trip. Keep in mind, she was going to be driving major interstate highways most of the way. Still, I packed canned food, candy, sleeping bag, water bottles, a small pot, several candles, multiple lighters and matches, shovel, orange plastic poncho, 100 feet of paracord, multi-tool, small supply of dry firewood, a folding saw, and a fixed blade knife. This was along with the normal tool bag, jumper cables, first aid supplies, etc. I can't imagine intentionally driving through remote areas with no survival gear. But, I guess that's why we'll be surviving the zombies, not becoming walkers. :laugh:
Smart man. I used to keep something of a winter emergency kit in my car, but since I moved to DC metro the chances of me being stranded somewhere where I'm cut off from basic necessities for more than a few hours is very slim.
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it's a wonder any of them lived. People today think the entire world is DisneyLand.
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It's amazing to me why people blindly follow the directions of a GPS in an automobile, especially when out exploring in the wilderness in bad weather. There are many stories about how people have been led into the wilderness by them. Oh, wait. Did someone say they were college professors?
Heck, half the time when I'm travelling south in the winter and north in the spring, I'm skeptical of some of the directions given by GPS. Fortunately, my GPS is installed in the vehicle with a map on the dashboard screen that can be zoomed in and out and moved around to check for alternate routes or to see where particular roads lead.
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There's a reason the North Rim is closed in the winter... I'm glad these people made it out okay, but every road that leads to the North Rim clearly indicates that it's closed for the winter. If you want to see the Grand Canyon in the winter, go to the South Rim. Just follow the signs.
Winters on the plateau around the Grand Canyon are COLD - mostly due to the wind. When there is snow, it's not usually more than a couple of inches, if that much. It gets filthy fast. It is after all, still a desert.
And because it's a desert, you pack in lots of water.
Lots of things should have been done differently.... But I'm glad the family had a relatively happy ending.
I wonder if they'll come back to visit... Probably not.
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I always used to at least toss a good blanket in the car in the winter if we were going anywhere out of town. It really "saved" us one winter on a road trip to visit my parents when the heater core in the 66 Dodge Van plugged up while we were stuck on highway 90 in the swamps waiting for a wreck that was blocking the road to be cleared. Terri was very thankful I was "paranoid" and made sure we had some sandwiches/snacks and that blanket before we left the house that trip!
Mine was like this only orange.
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There's a reason the North Rim is closed in the winter... I'm glad these people made it out okay, but every road that leads to the North Rim clearly indicates that it's closed for the winter. If you want to see the Grand Canyon in the winter, go to the South Rim. Just follow the signs.
You wouldn't think they'd make such a big deal about which side of the ditch you go to, especially since they're too cheap to bridge it at regular intervals.
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Mine was like this only orange.
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Didja scrape off the "Free Candy" sign, or just primer over it?
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Actually looks like the Scooby Doo machine incognito.
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You wouldn't think they'd make such a big deal about which side of the ditch you go to, especially since they're too cheap to bridge it at regular intervals.
This time of year you can expect enough snow to make traveling to the north rim dangerous at best.
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Actually looks like the Scooby Doo machine incognito.
I was thinking the same thing. :lol:
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Just follow the signs
7 years as a park ranger taught me that people are too *expletive deleted*ing stupid to read signs, much less follow directions, read maps, plan ahead, or any number of common sense things
But by God if the GPS tells them to do something that is the one thing the dumb *expletive deleted*s will obey.
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7 years as a park ranger taught me that people are too *expletive deleted*ing stupid to read signs, much less follow directions, read maps, plan ahead, or any number of common sense things
But by God if the GPS tells them to do something that is the one thing the dumb *expletive deleted*s will obey.
https://vimeo.com/15390422
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Actually looks like the Scooby Doo machine incognito.
The Mystery Machine was similar to the big 3's vans of this time period as the Chevy, Ford and Dodge vans were pretty dang similar.
66 Ford Econoline
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66 Chevy Van
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Mine was an Ex-phone company van IIRC. It had a heater and an add-on vent in the roof in the rear of the van. 3-on-the-tree with a 225 slant 6 engine.
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Speaking of 6 cyl engines. Ford had the 300 inline 6 that was bulletproof. I had a pickup that had that engine and had way over 200,000 miles and still going strong when I sold it. At idle, you couldn't hear the thing running.
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Speaking of 6 cyl engines. Ford had the 300 inline 6 that was bulletproof. I had a pickup that had that engine and had way over 200,000 miles and still going strong when I sold it. At idle, you couldn't hear the thing running.
I have an 88 f250 with that motor. Let it sit for 5 years dropped in a battery and it fired right up
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By first van, the 66 E-100 Ford, had the 170 Cu In engine. (wimpy wimpy wimpy!)
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Speaking of 6 cyl engines. Ford had the 300 inline 6 that was bulletproof. I had a pickup that had that engine and had way over 200,000 miles and still going strong when I sold it. At idle, you couldn't hear the thing running.
Dad had a 300 in an F250 that kept cracking the intake. It was covered under warranty, but after the third one he sold it.
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Later 6's also used paper (sorry, "fiber composite") timing gears which tend to strip out at high mileage. I'm sure it was an attempt to reduce noise from the otherwise bulletproof gear-driven cam drive.
Gear driven cam, plus non-interference motor: how times have changed. My Subaru was an interference motor with timing belt! Yet they use Subaru engines in airplanes...
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You mean some planes have horizontally opposed piston engines? That is correct, but I don't think Subaru makes any of them.
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^ Yes, there are a substantial number of Subaru engines converted to aircraft use... ignition, bla-bla, etc. Of course, they're liquid-cooled.
http://www.sdsefi.com/air51.htm
2. The EJ series Subaru has proven itself capable in the real world of sustained high rpm/ WOT operation with the 1989 world speed record of 100,000 km by three Legacy RS turbos over 447 hours of 138.78 mph and an estimated 250,000 flight hours by over 1000 Subaru EJ powered aircraft including gyroplanes from RAF and Groen, fixed wing conversions such as those from Eggenfellner Aircraft and hundreds of other private conversions worldwide. One high time gyro operator in Australia reported 3800 hours on an EJ engine without overhaul!
(Slight correction in grammar by me.)
They're great little engines until (in cars) you blow the lead-based head gasket* or have to change spark plug #1. Of course, in an aircraft, that #1 plug is easy to get to.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pDB9bAns0g
^ That one shows the radiator, too.
https://youtu.be/UUzURMUe0MU
^ That one has the pilot explaining some of the mods he's played with. (Long, 26:23.):
"...and I'm burnin' 91 Octane from Costco..." =D
Pros/cons of engine and prop system at 21:00ff.
Terry, 230RN
* Later gaskets are more conventional.
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Ah, I thought you meant OEM not conversions.
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I'm wondering what "sustained high rpm/ WOT operation " in my above long quote means. What's WOT?
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I'm pretty sure you can't take just any old automotive engine and just stick it in a plane. Conversions for aero use are mandatory.
Only if you get caught, or want to be in compliance with regulations, or actually, you know, want to live...
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^ I changed my post. Sounded too rough. I imagine you could in fact take any old engine and stick it it in an experimental plane, but those Subie Boxer engines seem to be favored.
I was just responding to this:
You mean some planes have horizontally opposed piston engines? That is correct, but I don't think Subaru makes any of them.
Talk about thread drift...:rofl:
Terry
ETA Amusing side note. The mean free path of APS posts seems to be very short =D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jYabtziQZo&feature=youtu.be
(And I'm not denying guilt in that respect.)
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I'm wondering what "sustained high rpm/ WOT operation " in my above long quote means. What's WOT?
Wide Open Throttle
bob
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I'm wondering what "sustained high rpm/ WOT operation " in my above long quote means. What's WOT?
War on Terror. Subie engines are used extensively in drones and ICBMs.
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WFO - Racing term for "Wound Flat Out" or "Wide Friggin Open"
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http://www.fjr1300.info/events/
http://www.westernfieldornithologists.org/
http://www.wfo.org/
http://www.wfoi.org/
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Subie engines probably fine WOT in aircraft, constant RPM that is prop limited provided the prop stays there. The motors were tried for short track race applications and found wanting, 10-11K is common and they scatter parts. The common solution these days is a inline 4, usually Chevy derivative but all aftermarket.
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Getting back to the original topic, several of the articles I read indicated (and the location where she was found confirms) that when she left her husband and kid to go for help, she walked SOUTH. The ONLY thing south from where they were is the Grand canyon, and (if she could find it) the North Rim ranger station, hotel, and shop. All of which are closed until April or May. The only possibility of help would have been to head NORTH and find US 89A, the highway that runs across that part of AZ. Heading south defies logic.
Did they really not know the North Rim closes for the Winter?
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Getting back to the original topic, several of the articles I read indicated (and the location where she was found confirms) that when she left her husband and kid to go for help, she walked SOUTH. The ONLY thing south from where they were is the Grand canyon, and (if she could find it) the North Rim ranger station, hotel, and shop. All of which are closed until April or May. The only possibility of help would have been to head NORTH and find US 89A, the highway that runs across that part of AZ. Heading south defies logic.
Did they really not know the North Rim closes for the Winter?
Well, of course it's closed for regular people....
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I'm wondering what "sustained high rpm/ WOT operation " in my above long quote means. What's WOT?
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World of Tanks ??
(Actually Wide Open Throttle)
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BOE (Borne Of Experience) microhint: IF you pack a glass 8 oz water bottle in summer for quick drinks while driving, don't forget it come winter.
It doesn't scatter glass all over the place, but it's still a PITA (Pain In The A**) when it freezes and breaks. BOE, recent E. Like last week.
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Worse is when you unload the groceries at night, in the dark, and you overlook the 2-liter bottle of diet cola that rolled out of the bag.
And the temperature goes down to 20 degrees that night ...
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Where we live, ya gotta remember to take all the soda/beer into the house as soon as you get home from the store during the summer or you will have a wet, sticky mess to deal with.
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Worse is when you unload the groceries at night, in the dark, and you overlook the 2-liter bottle of diet cola that rolled out of the bag.
And the temperature goes down to 20 degrees that night ...
Nah.
Worse is when you unload the groceries at night, in the dark, and you overlook the package of frozen ground turkey that rolled out of the bag.
And the temperature goes up to 80 degrees that week ...
And you don't realize it until the package pops open three days later, suddenly releasing five cubic feet of that gawdawful stench.
http://www.honeysucklewhite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/CT_ProductImage_1024x570_HSW_Frozen_Chub_Ground85_50091.png
Terry
Note: This was not the actual brand involved.
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Worse is when you unload the groceries at night, in the dark, and you overlook the 2-liter bottle of diet cola that rolled out of the bag.
And the temperature goes down to 20 degrees that night ...
Had a FO do something similar in the cockpit. He put a can of Coke on the aluminum window rail to keep the Coke cold. The window rail gets very cold in flight. The FO forgot about the can, it froze, and popped open about 4am on a redeye flight. Scared the crap out of me and covered everything in Coke.
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Had a FO do something similar in the cockpit. He put a can of Coke on the aluminum window rail to keep the Coke cold. The window rail gets very cold in flight. The FO forgot about the can, it froze, and popped open about 4am on a redeye flight. Scared the crap out of me and covered everything in Coke.
I have two questions for you.
1. Was there any reaction to that outside the cockpit?
2. Have you dared him to put his tongue on the rail?
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I have two questions for you.
1. Was there any reaction to that outside the cockpit?
2. Have you dared him to put his tongue on the rail?
I'm sure you meant "triple dog dare".
=D
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I have two questions for you.
1. Was there any reaction to that outside the cockpit?
2. Have you dared him to put his tongue on the rail?
One answer to both questions: no.
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Nah.
Worse is when you unload the groceries at night, in the dark, and you overlook the package of frozen ground turkey that rolled out of the bag.
And the temperature goes up to 80 degrees that week ...
And you don't realize it until the package pops open three days later, suddenly releasing five cubic feet of that gawdawful stench.
http://www.honeysucklewhite.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/CT_ProductImage_1024x570_HSW_Frozen_Chub_Ground85_50091.png
Terry
Note: This was not the actual brand involved.
Twice now the wife has had a package of cheese fall out of a grocery bag, wind up under a seat and stay in the car for several days or longer...
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Twice now the wife has had a package of cheese fall out of a grocery bag, wind up under a seat and stay in the car for several days or longer...
Once more is enemy action ...
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She just reminded me of the cantaloupe that was hidden under the seat long enough to require VERY ginger removal...
You see, she unloads the groceries and then hands them up to me on the back door stair landing and I bring them into the kitchen. She is tired from work then shopping and is in a hurry to get done and rest and overlooks these things every now and then...
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Tie the bags closed when putting them in the car.
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I use plastic Mail totes to haul groceries...
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Although mine are red, and say "AIRBORNE EXPRESS" on the side.
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I use one of these to haul groceries:
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I use one of these to haul groceries:
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I've got two 16 year old's to haul the totes... :P :P :P :P
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I've got two 16 year old's to haul the totes... :P :P :P :P
Yeah, but you have to feed them.
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My wife left a raw chicken in the car once. For a few days. In July. She works from home and just hadn't needed to go anywhere for a couple days.
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WifeN (not saying which one) left a dead gosling on the enclosed, hot, back porch once.
That smell is unforgettable. Quite similar to the roll of ground turkey I left in the car. So I attest.
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Yeah, but you have to feed them.
Almost gets to be an application of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.
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Her latest? She drinks a protein shake in the mornings that I make for her when I am making her morning coffee. I put it in a sports bottle and she usually drinks it on the way into work. Several weeks back, on a hot day, she didn't drink her "shake" and left it in the car, for a few days. It seems that almond "milk," protein powder and banana all blended together in a mixer, doesn't do well in the hot southern sun. The expanding gas popped the top open and it spilled on the carpeted floormat. I'm just glad it was in HER car! The mat was tossed out onto the deck to soak in the rain accompanied by much retching on her part. [barf]
:old: :rofl:
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Almost gets to be an application of the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation.
Nah; it's closer to middle age that you start having to expel a significant portion of your mass as a part of getting going each morning.
Damn, that reminds me; I'm on the last roll of TP. Time for a restock run.
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I use plastic Mail totes to haul groceries...
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Although mine are red, and say "AIRBORNE EXPRESS" on the side.
Hey! What were you doing at my place, taking pictures?
Yeah, no, we've got a gazillion of those totes around here that Dad "acquired" from work. The crazy thing is they are better than rubbermaid/sterilite styles for storage and hauling of many things, yet I have never seen a truly similar item for sale to general consumers.
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https://m.uline.com/h5/r/www.uline.com/BL_303/Space-Age-Totes?keywords= (https://m.uline.com/h5/r/www.uline.com/BL_303/Space-Age-Totes?keywords=)
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Hey! What were you doing at my place, taking pictures?
Yeah, no, we've got a gazillion of those totes around here that Dad "acquired" from work. The crazy thing is they are better than rubbermaid/sterilite styles for storage and hauling of many things, yet I have never seen a truly similar item for sale to general consumers.
Well at my Post Office they had a stack of used PO bins like that out in the lobby for the taking. Beats having to recycle them, I guess. Immediate re-use is the best kind of recycling. Your Dad probably didn't "liberate" them, they were probably up for grabs anyhow. I have a couple of them myself. Real handy even if well-used, real sturdy, especially good because of the handle cut-outs in the ends.
I suspect each PO station gets new ones every year just 'cause it's in the budget from the year before.
If you do a lot of mailings, the PO will provide them to you so you can sort and put the mail directly in their bins. I always had three or four extras around when I had my store.
Terry