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Obama's Toothless Second Amendment
The senator defends the right to whatever arms the government decides to allow.
Jacob Sullum | July 2, 2008

"What works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne," Barack Obama said after the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the Washington, D.C., gun ban. The Illinois senator was talking about gun control laws, but he could just as well have been talking about his interpretation of the Second Amendment.
Although the amendment protects an individual right to arms, Obama says, it permits "common-sense" gun control, a category that for him seems to include every existing restriction on the possession and use of firearms. That view not only does not fly in Cheyenne (and in many other places where presidential candidates aspire to win votes); it was decisively rejected by the Supreme Court.
"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms," Obama said after the ruling was announced, "but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view."
Not quite. The Court concluded that the D.C. gun law, which "bans handgun possession in the home" and "requires that any lawful firearm in the home be disassembled or bound by a trigger lock at all times, rendering it inoperable," violates the Second Amendment because it effectively prohibits keeping guns for self-defense.
Last November, by contrast, Obama's campaign told the Chicago Tribune "Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional." The candidate was so upset about that misrepresentation of his views that he sought to correct itseven months later. A few hours before the Supreme Court pronounced the D.C. gun ban unconstitutional, an Obama spokesman told ABC News his campaign's November statement to the contrary "was obviously an inartful attempt to explain the senator's consistent position."
That belated blurification was an inartful attempt to avoid explaining the senator's consistent position, which he has repeatedly confirmed. In a February 12 interview, Leon Harris of WJLA, the ABC affiliate in Washington, said to Obama, "You support the D.C. handgun ban, and you've said that it's constitutional." Obama nodded, saying, "Right, right." Three days later, at a press conference in Milwaukee, Obama cited the D.C. law as an example of gun control that's consistent with the Second Amendment.
Obama's view is similar to that of Justice Stephen Breyer, who dissented from the Supreme Court's decision. Even if the Second Amendment protects an individual right to armed self-defense, Breyer said, that right has to be weighed against "other important governmental interests." And since a gun law like D.C.'s might reduce violent crime (never mind the lack of evidence that it actually has), the courts should yield to legislators' judgments about how best to strike the balance.
Writing for the majority, Justice Antonin Scalia replied: "We know of no other enumerated constitutional right whose core protection has been subjected to a freestanding 'interest-balancing' approach. The very enumeration of the right takes out of the hands of government...the power to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the right is really worth insisting upon. A constitutional guarantee subject to future judges' assessments of its usefulness is no constitutional guarantee at all."
This decision does not bode well for Chicago's handgun ban, which was challenged in federal court the day after the Supreme Court's ruling. Since the Court held that D.C. violated the Second Amendment by banning the sort of gun most people prefer for home defense, the only real question in the Chicago case is whether the amendment applies to state and local governments as well as federal domains such as the District of Columbia.
It seems likely that the right to armswhich, Scalia emphasized, stems from the basic right of self-preservationwill be added to the list of civil liberties that the 14th Amendment compels states and municipalities to respect. If so, Obama's vision of a toothless Second Amendment will not prevail for much longer even in Chicago.
© Copyright 2008 by Creators Syndicate Inc.

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Re Senator Obamas opening comment, "What works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne", I had thought, perhaps incorrectly, that The U.S. Constitution applied throughout the country, though the lack of incorporation of The Second Amendment might raise question re that. This point aside, it strikes me that looking at the senators shucking and jiving re firearms, there is a world of difference between his Second Amendment, and mine.

Next we come to his choice of Senator Biden as running mate, something that is up to the presidential candidate, though others likely have something to say re this choice. As memory serves, Biden, notwithstanding other aspects of his record has long been a strong supporter of The Anti Gun Side. Additionally, while he chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee, he found no particular fault with what I refer to as Theft Under Color of Law, or as it is described by others, Civil Asset Forfeiture, and or the way Civil Asset Forfeiture was/is utilized.

And Hillary Clinton was described as having a "baggage problem".

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Re: Reason Magazine on Obama's Second Amendment, poster's coments too
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2008, 10:59:54 PM »
As memory serves, Biden, notwithstanding other aspects of his record has long been a strong supporter of The Anti Gun Side. Additionally, while he chaired the Senate Judiciary Committee, he found no particular fault with what I refer to as Theft Under Color of Law, or as it is described by others, Civil Asset Forfeiture, and or the way Civil Asset Forfeiture was/is utilized.

In regards to Biden's track record on asset forfeiture/seizure, he believes that anything that isn't nailed down should be sued by the government and impounded.  Bah.  It's hard to believe he has worse Constitutional track record on asset forfeiture/seizure than he does on the 2A.
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Re: Reason Magazine on Obama's Second Amendment, poster's coments too
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2008, 07:05:18 PM »
RevDisk et al:

Some additional comment on Senator Biden:

The following appeared in a New York Times by-lined article I saw in 24 August Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, page  A-10.

Senator Biden, sometimes known as The Senator From MBNA was an early supporter of legislation that became the Bankruptcy Reform Act of 2005, legislation that essentially gave the store away to banks, no small number of whom were likely involved in the Sub Prime Debacle, and credit card issuers, also known as banks.

Support for the Bankruptcy Reform legislation seems to have been a "6 to 5 push", between Senators Obama and McCain, with Obama voting against, McCain voting in favor of the legislation. Might one offer that "the plot thickens"?

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Re: Reason Magazine on Obama's Second Amendment, poster's coments too
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 07:08:50 PM »
Something else to keep in mind.

PGP was written in reaction to stuff Biden helped create.

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Re: Reason Magazine on Obama's Second Amendment, poster's coments too
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2008, 07:09:05 PM »
Support for the Bankruptcy Reform legislation seems to have been a "6 to 5 push", between Senators Obama and McCain, with Obama voting against, McCain voting in favor of the legislation. Might one offer that "the plot thickens"?

Na, don't read too much into it.  The banks sufficiently bribed Biden and McCain.  Guess they didn't cut a large enough check to Obama.  A man has his standards, after all. 
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Re: Reason Magazine on Obama's Second Amendment, poster's coments too
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2008, 07:21:33 PM »
RevDisk:

Personally speaking, I never cared much for the Bankruptcy Reform Act, so-called, just as I never did think much of what I above described as Theft Under Color of Law, no those who support it. As for banks/bankers and the Sub Prime Debacle, invividual fault and responsibility notwithstanding, it strikes me that any number of banks and bankers should long since have been hauled before the criminal bar. I doubt that I will likely see such action, at least not in this life.