Greenwood IN Mall shooting

[Perd Hapley]

Apparently this kid had an 80% hit rate. That's better than a lot of the cop stories I have read with the cops shooting at CQB ranges. If I were on the other side of the argument, I would put lefty tinfoil on my head and call it a setup to put "good guy with a gun" in a positive light. You couldn't ask for a better example of it than this. 

y u tryin 2 b like me?

https://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=66995.msg1364426#msg1364426

[WLJ]

Note to self: Go to Sams, buy lots of foil. Call Cardinal aluminum, order industrial roll.

[dogmush]

I'll usually close out my shooting day with a magazine at 100yds.  Freehand I'm at like 40% hit, resting on a table or something like 70%ish.  Trigger control becomes very important at that.  For my rig, 100yd hold over is put the dot right on the neck of the silhouette.

That guy made some pretty nice shots under pressure.  I read that he rested it on a trash can for the initial shots.  Good use of bracing, and concealment.

[cordex]

On another forum I saw a picture of the bad guy kitted out to fight, and then another shot of him ... well ... shot.

Dude was a scarecrow.  Not a big target at all.

[WLJ]

On another forum I saw a picture of the bad guy kitted out to fight, and then another shot of him ... well ... shot.

Dude was a scarecrow.  Not a big target at all.

Seems like in all the recent "mass" shootings the shooters have been extremely skinny by American standards at least. The Highland Park shooter was a toothpick

[Bogie]

A lot of progressive liberals STILL think that what Rittenhouse did was shoot up a BLM march...
 
Seriously.
 
As for the shooter's behavior?
 
Here's an old blog, but it seems to work true...
 
https://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

[Perd Hapley]

A lot of progressive liberals STILL think that what Rittenhouse did was shoot up a BLM march...
 
Seriously.
 
As for the shooter's behavior?
 
Here's an old blog, but it seems to work true...
 
https://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

Interesting, thanks.

[WLJ]

 
https://dailyanarchist.com/2012/07/31/auditing-shooting-rampage-statistics/

According to the above link
Note: The article at the link is dated 2012

The average number of people killed in mass shootings when stopped by police is 14.29

The average number of people killed in a mass shooting when stopped by a civilian is 2.33

[Perd Hapley]

When seconds count, police are sanitizing their hands.

[Bogie]

Have you ever heard a shot fired in a public place that isn't a range?
 
I have. It was at a gun show. You coulda heard a pin drop except for the noise of neck cracks as the ol' boys swivelnecked looking for what happened.
 
Some idjit bounced one off the floor into his own leg.

[Lennyjoe]

Have you ever heard a shot fired in a public place that isn't a range?
 
I have. It was at a gun show. You coulda heard a pin drop except for the noise of neck cracks as the ol' boys swivelnecked looking for what happened.
 
Some idjit bounced one off the floor into his own leg.

Not in public but in the field the sound of a round wizzing by inches from your nugget will never be forgotten.

[Ben]

I notice that Youtube gun channels are filling up with videos of the "Dickens Drill" - 10 rounds, 40 yards, <15 seconds. 

[WLJ]

Photo of the shooter post Dickens

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/hwfo-the-only-way-to-reduce-mass-shootings-is-for-more-eli-dickens-to-kill-more-shooters/

[MechAg94]

Went and shot a few pistols at 50 yards yesterday.  Nothing to write home about, but I could put rounds on a silhouette.  I was deliberately not trying to do slow aimed fire.  More like 1 or 2 rounds per second. 

I guess it is a lesson that all guns are different.  My Arex pistols were both shooting high at 50 yards.  I would need to make a point to aim at the belly button to insure body hits.  Never noticed them shooting high at 25 yards or less. 

An HK and a 1911 were on target.  The 1911 was accurate enough it made me think about carrying that again. 

[WLJ]

Went and shot a few pistols at 50 yards yesterday.  Nothing to write home about, but I could put rounds on a silhouette.  I was deliberately not trying to do slow aimed fire.  More like 1 or 2 rounds per second. 

I guess it is a lesson that all guns are different.  My Arex pistols were both shooting high at 50 yards.  I would need to make a point to aim at the belly button to insure body hits.  Never noticed them shooting high at 25 rounds or less. 

An HK and a 1911 were on target.  The 1911 was accurate enough it made me think about carrying that again.

And it's amazing sometimes how much different ammo can effect your group placement at 7 yards let alone 40

[lee n. field]

This showed up in my Book of Faces feed.  Dave Spaulding, Handgun Combatives.

Additional info from the Indiana Mall shooting from a law enforcement friend living in the area...

"Got some info from a Simon Properties guy who has watched the Greenwood mall active shooter attack video footage. He doesn't think about the details like we do, but I confirmed a few things thru him.

The distance at which Eli Dickens fired was 43 yards, according to the computerized AI video system there in the mall. The system is accurate to within ten feet.

Eli was up out of his chair within seconds and engaged with the shooter.

Eli fired from around the side of a flat-topped, squared-sided trash bin next to a floor-to-ceiling column or pillar there inside the building. He was shooting from what we'd refer to as a "strong-side barricade" position. Using the side of the bin to stabilize his grip and weapon. The guy told me it looked more like he was crouched there as opposed to kneeling.

It appears Eli made a kill shot with the first round he fired based on the suspect's reaction. His second round was a hit also. The active shooter simply wilted after being shot and showed no interest in doing anything other than getting back into the men's restroom door. The active shooter never fired at Eli, never even swung his gun toward him. It appears that he wasn't expecting anyone else to have a gun.

After the active shooter collapsed, he kept moving, and Eli continued to fire until the target's movements halted. Eli hit with 8 of the 10 shots he fired. It was a blessing that the active shooter collapsed so quickly. It's always easier to hit a stationary target.

There appear to have been bystanders running for the nearby exit door near the confrontation.  I don't understand people running toward or past people who are armed and shooting at someone. But people do strange things when they're under stress.

This part is in no way confirmed, but another security guy at the Greenwood mall said the empty casings from Eli's pistol were marked with Federal Cartridge headstamps.

I find it interesting that the active shooter was psychologically out of the fight pretty much immediately upon being shot. That's largely been the case with active shooter incidents since we've been keeping stats on them in the 1990's. Except, of course, for the ones involving militarized terrorists, like the Inland Empire (California) attack in 2012. I'm thinking of the active shooters involving suspects who are weasel-dick incel civilians like the recent ones in Highland Park and Buffalo."

So, a couple layers of hearsay.  But interesting.

There's also pics of of the deceased perp floating around.

https://www.facebook.com/handguncombatives/posts/6023098774372092

[AZRedhawk44]

This is also good counter-ammunition against magazine capacity limits.

No one is threatening Eli with use of excessive force for firing 10 rounds.  Everyone is congratulating him on a spectacular hit rate of 80%.  Had this been two shooters or more, Eli's sole magazine would have been insufficient to the task.  An artificial 10rd capacity limit is unreasonable in context that 10 rounds were discharged to safely and confidently neutralize this single threat.  You shoot until the threat is clearly neutralized.  It took Eli 8 hits and 10 rounds to do so.  Fairly certain it would take an NYC cop at least 56 rounds to get the same number of hits.

[Lennyjoe]

This showed up in my Book of Faces feed.  Dave Spaulding, Handgun Combatives.

There's also pics of of the deceased perp floating around.

WLJ’s link has a dead man photo

[WLJ]

Just noticed, looks like he wore his mask in that photo. Good boy.

[Pb]

Eli is amazing.

[Ben]

This is also good counter-ammunition against magazine capacity limits.

No one is threatening Eli with use of excessive force for firing 10 rounds.

Possibly dumb question, but the "10 rounds" got me wondering - he didn't only have a 10 round mag, did he? AFAIK, we don't yet have concrete evidence that he was using a Glock 19, even though that seems to be the popular theory.

Also, as a die hard 1911 fanboi, as much as it pains me, I certainly have to consider the round count in this incident.

[Angel Eyes]

Eli is amazing.

I think he already has a girlfriend, Pb.




 

[WLJ]

He just wants to date him

[AZRedhawk44]

Possibly dumb question, but the "10 rounds" got me wondering - he didn't only have a 10 round mag, did he? AFAIK, we don't yet have concrete evidence that he was using a Glock 19, even though that seems to be the popular theory.

Also, as a die hard 1911 fanboi, as much as it pains me, I certainly have to consider the round count in this incident.

I've seen a meme suggesting it was a Springfield Hellcat, but I've also heard G19.

[Pb]

I think he already has a girlfriend, Pb.