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Title: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: MillCreek on March 06, 2021, 10:37:01 AM
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/06/business/the-robots-are-coming-for-phil-in-accounting.html

We are seeing this in healthcare in terms of computer-aided diagnosis and surgical robots, and in law with certain legal transactions and boilerplate legal documents.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: T.O.M. on March 06, 2021, 12:00:54 PM
I recently attended a seminar where a woman presented information regarding the use of computers and artificial intelligence in the legal field.  She cited to a study that demonstrated a computer with the right software is legally correct more often than judges and magistrates when analyzing a scenario.  She also stated the computers are free from racial/gender/sexual bias that taints human judicial officers.  She predicted that in the next 10 years, most courts will consist of a judge and "information officers" who will gather the information and input that information to the computer.  A short time later, the determinations will be spit out.  She suggested that the tech is already available that would allow traffic offenses, many criminal matters, and some civil issues to be handled by computer,  and indicated several companies are developing kiosks courts could install which would handle many traffic and low level misdemeanor offenses right in the lobby.  She suggested that in her lifetime, the number of judges would be reduced by half, magistrates would no longer exist, and the legal profession would have at least 50% fewer lawyers.


Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Fly320s on March 06, 2021, 12:19:52 PM
Get the software to automatically deny frivolous lawsuits and smack the filer in the head and the system will be perfect.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: grampster on March 06, 2021, 02:06:34 PM
My surgeon used the DaVinci robot to remove my cancerous prostate University of Michigan Hospital in July of 2005.  I was able to leave the hospital the morning after the surgery, but I decided to stay 1 extra day as the hospital has a hotel in the same building.  I was pretty much back to normal in a couple weeks, though I did milk it for 6 weeks as I was still working and had the sick time accumulated and was gonna retire the following March.  The robot is much more precise with the doc operating it, than the doc's hands.  I don't have any problems with urine leaking as many do.   

The old typical surgery usually required a 6 day hospital stay and a legitimate 6 weeks recovery.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Ben on March 06, 2021, 02:19:53 PM
Get the software to automatically deny frivolous lawsuits and smack the filer in the head and the system will be perfect.

 :rofl:
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: HankB on March 06, 2021, 02:54:41 PM
. . . She also stated the computers are free from racial/gender/sexual bias that taints human judicial officers.  . . .
Uh oh - that's a problem. Bias - the woke kind - is an absolute requirement for legal equity.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Cliffh on March 06, 2021, 07:22:31 PM
I recently attended a seminar where a woman presented information regarding the use of computers and artificial intelligence in the legal field.  She cited to a study that demonstrated a computer with the right software is legally correct more often than judges and magistrates when analyzing a scenario.  She also stated the computers are free from racial/gender/sexual bias that taints human judicial officers.  She predicted that in the next 10 years, most courts will consist of a judge and "information officers" who will gather the information and input that information to the computer. A short time later, the determinations will be spit out.  She suggested that the tech is already available that would allow traffic offenses, many criminal matters, and some civil issues to be handled by computer,  and indicated several companies are developing kiosks courts could install which would handle many traffic and low level misdemeanor offenses right in the lobby.  She suggested that in her lifetime, the number of judges would be reduced by half, magistrates would no longer exist, and the legal profession would have at least 50% fewer lawyers.




GIGO
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: just Warren on March 06, 2021, 08:33:51 PM
And we're one step closer to having to learn how to use the three sea shells.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: HeroHog on March 06, 2021, 08:52:23 PM
Get the software to automatically deny frivolous lawsuits and smack the filer in the head and the system will be perfect.

Cheech & Chong's Animated Movie (2013)
00:46:49 "Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!"
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Cliffh on March 06, 2021, 10:00:54 PM
Cheech & Chong's Animated Movie (2013)
00:46:49 "Bailiff, whack his pee-pee!"

 :rofl:

I use that line all the time.  No one seems to know WTF I'm talking about. :rofl:
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: WLJ on March 06, 2021, 10:24:49 PM
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Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 06, 2021, 11:20:07 PM
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(https://marsingemini.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/silentrunning1-5.jpg)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FM0j_NSWLg



Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: K Frame on March 07, 2021, 07:16:12 AM
I recently attended a seminar where a woman presented information regarding the use of computers and artificial intelligence in the legal field.  She cited to a study that demonstrated a computer with the right software is legally correct more often than judges and magistrates when analyzing a scenario.  She also stated the computers are free from racial/gender/sexual bias that taints human judicial officers.  She predicted that in the next 10 years, most courts will consist of a judge and "information officers" who will gather the information and input that information to the computer.  A short time later, the determinations will be spit out.  She suggested that the tech is already available that would allow traffic offenses, many criminal matters, and some civil issues to be handled by computer,  and indicated several companies are developing kiosks courts could install which would handle many traffic and low level misdemeanor offenses right in the lobby.  She suggested that in her lifetime, the number of judges would be reduced by half, magistrates would no longer exist, and the legal profession would have at least 50% fewer lawyers.




And I'm sure she went home in her flying car where she was waited on hand and foot by her robot butler...

Was her name Landru, by any chance?
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: WLJ on March 07, 2021, 08:58:23 AM
Was her name Landru, by any chance?

Glad to see I'm not the only one who had that come to mind.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: RocketMan on March 07, 2021, 12:39:14 PM
And I'm sure she went home in her flying car where she was waited on hand and foot by her robot butler...

Was her name Landru, by any chance?

Was she of The Body?  If not, her word cannot be trusted.
Will there be a Red Hour?
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Angel Eyes on March 07, 2021, 12:46:42 PM
Will there be a Red Hour?

Oh, I certainly hope so . . . .            >:D
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: K Frame on March 07, 2021, 08:52:12 PM
Next thing you know, it will be time for the daily human hunt...

https://comb.io/TJ9B0W
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Perd Hapley on March 07, 2021, 09:49:11 PM

Cyborg Monday (https://youtu.be/ZmMfIUbPjHU)
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: T.O.M. on March 08, 2021, 09:15:54 AM
Just yesterday, I was reading somewhere about AI vs. Human in aircraft dogfighting.  A.I. won.  A lot.  Article saw this as a good thing, because planes without pilots means less risk to human life.  All I could think of is what happens when the plane decides to hunt the people who sent it into the fight.  On another note, anyone know where I can get a good deal on a phased plasma rifle?
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2021, 09:28:27 AM
Uh oh - that's a problem. Bias - the woke kind - is an absolute requirement for legal equity.

GIGO.

That "problem" will be eliminated in their programing, the proper bias will be expressed.

Hope you guys like being ruled by leftist AI  =D
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2021, 09:39:06 AM
The zman has a post somewhat apropos of the subject of justice.

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In the West, the state tends to reserve its harshest punishments for those who break the law on purpose, with malice of forethought. The murderer that carefully stalked and killed a guy who insulted him at the bar gets a longer sentence than the guy who flew off the handle and killed a guy in a bar fight. The underlying assumption is that the former will kill again, because he chose to kill, while the latter is unlikely to kill, because he did so only under unique conditions.

This seems obvious at first blush, but there is a counter argument. The guy who flew off the handle and killed another man is not a rational person. He killed for no reason, while the other guy thought about his crime. Would you rather be in a room full of people who can fly off the handle at any time and kill you or in a room full of men who kill under specific conditions? In other words, committing a crime on purpose may not always be worse than committing a crime through negligence or impulse.

This is why so much of a criminal trial is about the motivations and the circumstances of the crime versus the plain facts. The verdict and the punishment are about public morality, not the facts of the crime. The guy who thought about his crime before committing it may have had good reasons to commit the crime. While we do not want people taking the law into their own hands, we can understand it in the cases where the crime comports with the moral code of society.

I'm skeptical AI will be capable of parsing the intricacies and subtilties of human behavior.

Most humans can't and humans are going to create a "being" that can? Hogwash.

Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: TechMan on March 08, 2021, 09:39:46 AM
Robotic Process Automation (RPA) is very much coming to business.

https://www.cio.com/article/3236451/what-is-rpa-robotic-process-automation-explained.html (https://www.cio.com/article/3236451/what-is-rpa-robotic-process-automation-explained.html)
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Ron on March 08, 2021, 09:46:32 AM
Bureaucratic evil imposed upon the masses without moral actors to hold responsible for their actions. Great
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Fly320s on March 08, 2021, 09:50:57 AM
Just yesterday, I was reading somewhere about AI vs. Human in aircraft dogfighting.  A.I. won.  A lot.  Article saw this as a good thing, because planes without pilots means less risk to human life.  All I could think of is what happens when the plane decides to hunt the people who sent it into the fight.  On another note, anyone know where I can get a good deal on a phased plasma rifle?

Unmanned aircraft can maneuver much more aggressively than manned aircraft.  I wonder it that was part of the issue.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: lee n. field on March 08, 2021, 11:03:41 AM
Frank Herbert had, in the background for a couple of his novels, a Bureau of Sabotage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Sabotage).  Might be worth reviewing.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: MechAg94 on March 08, 2021, 11:11:09 AM
Just yesterday, I was reading somewhere about AI vs. Human in aircraft dogfighting.  A.I. won.  A lot.  Article saw this as a good thing, because planes without pilots means less risk to human life.  All I could think of is what happens when the plane decides to hunt the people who sent it into the fight.  On another note, anyone know where I can get a good deal on a phased plasma rifle?
I was thinking more about Politicians having a free hand to wage war as no is put at risk to do it.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: WLJ on March 08, 2021, 11:14:58 AM
So how long before we see The Butlerian Jihad?
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: zxcvbob on March 08, 2021, 11:21:47 AM
I was thinking more about Politicians having a free hand to wage war as no is put at risk to do it.

There was a Star Trek TOS episode about that; I had to look up the title. "A Taste of Armageddon"
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Ben on March 08, 2021, 12:15:56 PM
Frank Herbert had, in the background for a couple of his novels, a Bureau of Sabotage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Sabotage).  Might be worth reviewing.

https://winstonchurchill.org/publications/finest-hour/finest-hour-177/ministry-of-ungentlemanly-warfare/
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: K Frame on March 08, 2021, 01:32:01 PM
So how long before we see The Butlerian Jihad?

Just put your hand in the box...
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Ben on March 08, 2021, 01:41:41 PM
Just put your hand in the box...

We have just folded space from Ix. Many machines on Ix. New machines. Better than those on Richese.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Jim147 on March 08, 2021, 02:34:51 PM
I think I'll build a battlebot and fight back.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: dogmush on March 08, 2021, 03:19:38 PM
I was thinking more about Politicians having a free hand to wage war as no is put at risk to do it.

But that's not how war works.  People forget that war is not about killing the other side's military, robotic or no.

Those robot planes will still be bombing factories, towns, bridges, and cars full of people driving away from Baghdad International Airport.  Terminators (if we make them) will still be standing in villages ready to burn crops and homes to the ground.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: MechAg94 on March 08, 2021, 03:36:29 PM
But that's not how war works.  People forget that war is not about killing the other side's military, robotic or no.

Those robot planes will still be bombing factories, towns, bridges, and cars full of people driving away from Baghdad International Airport.  Terminators (if we make them) will still be standing in villages ready to burn crops and homes to the ground.
That is only an issue if it makes the news.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: dogmush on March 08, 2021, 04:08:46 PM
That is only an issue if it makes the news.

7 out of 10 Uyghurs agree with this message.


The other 3 couldn't be reached for comment.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: K Frame on March 08, 2021, 04:27:21 PM
I think I'll build a battlebot and fight back.

And it will have hookers! And craps! And blackjack!
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: MechAg94 on March 08, 2021, 04:40:14 PM
Robotic Process Automation (RPA) is very much coming to business.

https://www.cio.com/article/3236451/what-is-rpa-robotic-process-automation-explained.html (https://www.cio.com/article/3236451/what-is-rpa-robotic-process-automation-explained.html)

Plug in the cost of labor, the tax code, and "outsource it" and it will make a good manager.  I can see this being useful the right circumstances, but only if it is fully developed.

Just another result of the increasing costs of labor and taxes putting pressure on companies to reduce costs. 
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: Jim147 on March 08, 2021, 07:08:47 PM
And it will have hookers! And craps! And blackjack!

Now you're thinking.
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: JTHunter on March 08, 2021, 09:41:13 PM
Think "WarGames" and scroll up to the 4 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93KC4AGKnY
Title: Re: Robots are coming for your white collar jobs
Post by: T.O.M. on March 09, 2021, 09:51:10 PM
Think "WarGames" and scroll up to the 4 minute mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s93KC4AGKnY


Maybe if the Ai is good enough to learn law, it will be good enough to realize a nuclear exchange will kill it as well as the people...

Bio weapons are much better.