Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.

[brimic]

LUlz

[DittoHead]

Doesn't look to me like the 4chan thing with Avenatti really panned out
https://thehill.com/homenews/news/408490-avenatti-releases-clients-identity-allegations-against-kavanaugh

[230RN]

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[MillCreek]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/26/michael-avenatti-identifies-kavanaugh-accuser-as-julie-swetnick.html

A third person comes forward with sworn allegations regarding drugging of young women and gang rape.

[makattak]

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/26/michael-avenatti-identifies-kavanaugh-accuser-as-julie-swetnick.html

A third person comes forward with sworn allegations regarding drugging of young women and gang rape.

"Regarding"

The allegations are that she "became aware" of him doing such things, not that she witnessed or experienced it. And then that he was "present" at a party where she was attacked. Not that he was involved, just that he was present.

At the party. That she doesn't know where it happened. After she had already seen other women get attacked at previous parties, where she's also not sure where they happened.

[MillCreek]

https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2018/09/26/swetnickstatement.pdf

The actual affidavit. Note that she makes statements as to direct observation and witnessing of certain of the allegations, making her a direct witness, not third-hand testimony.

[makattak]

https://sc.cnbcfm.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/editorialfiles/2018/09/26/swetnickstatement.pdf

The actual affidavit. Note that she makes statements as to direct observation and witnessing of certain of the allegations, making her a direct witness, not third-hand testimony.

Credibility problems, from the New York Times of all places:

Ms. Swetnick grew up in Montgomery County, Md., graduating from Gaithersburg High School in 1980 before attending college at the University of Maryland, according to a résumé for her posted online. Judge Kavanaugh graduated from Georgetown Prep in 1983.

In her statement, Ms. Swetnick wrote that she met Judge Kavanaugh and Mr. Judge in 1980 or 1981 when she was introduced to them at a house party in the Washington area.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/09/26/us/politics/julie-swetnick-avenatti-kavenaugh.html

From her own statments, she was an adult college student, going to high school parties.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cw7DmRDODxQ&t=26m40s

[Ben]

Will no one have a problem with the fact that she quotes multiple instances? It would imply that she saw what she now calls abhorrent behavior, but then continued to go to those same parties. If there were terrible things going on, why did she continue to participate?

If she goes with, "I was just a kid and didn't know better", so was everyone else at the parties. Kind of the two-edged sword when you start digging in to what people did while under the age of majority and then applying it to their adult lives. I guess we shouldn't seal records of crimes committed before 18 anymore either. Lets get everything out there on everybody.

[MillCreek]

Let me be the first to predict that Judge Kavanaugh will end up withdrawing his nomination for the Court.  Whether the stated reason is 'to spare his family' or 'respect for the President', or whatever, he is going to pull the plug before it actually gets to a vote, which I suspect he would lose, and that would reflect badly upon the President and the Republicans.  This makes me wonder how anyone is going to possibly pass the vetting and nomination in the future. I am reminded of the saying about winning the battle and losing the war.  

[zxcvbob]

Let me be the first to predict that Judge Kavanaugh will end up withdrawing his nomination for the Court.  Whether the stated reason is 'to spare his family' or 'respect for the President', or whatever, he is going to pull the plug before it actually gets to a vote, which I suspect he would lose, and that would reflect badly upon the President and the Republicans.  This makes me wonder how anyone is going to possibly pass the vetting and nomination in the future. I am reminded of the saying about winning the battle and losing the war.  

Perhaps the President and the Republicans need to be reflected badly upon?  It might encourage them to fight next time.  Kavanaugh didn't volunteer for this, he was drafted.

[MechAg94]

Perhaps the President and the Republicans need to be reflected badly upon?  It might encourage them to fight next time.  Kavanaugh didn't volunteer for this, he was drafted.

I think that depends on which Republican Senators have decided they can't vote for his nomination.  IMO, if some of them don't want to do so, O'Connell should name names before the election and tell them he will do so.

[Angel Eyes]

For those trying to quash Kavanaugh's nomination:  be careful what you wish for:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/the-on-deck-justice-could-be-a-bigger-dem-problem-than-kavanaugh-kennedy

[MillCreek]

^^^I don't know very much about her, and perhaps I should study up.

[Ben]

Ford's polygraph released. A couple of points:

1) She took it in Maryland a week after she wrote Feinstein, so either she spends a lot of time driving around the country, or she flew there.

2) Apparently they let her hand write a statement, then asked her two questions on it. I don't know much about polygraphs, but I thought you had to ask a lot more questions than that to compare to the baseline questions. Which, I'm only assuming they asked baseline questions for calibration, but I'm not counting on anything in this growing fiasco.

https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2018/09/26/this-is-bad-looks-like-christine-blasey-fords-lawyers-just-torpedoed-her-case-by-releasing-polygraph-results-pics/


At this point, maybe just have Kavanaugh step down, nominate Amy Barrett, and say that there will be no hearings, only a vote, because we believe all women so there is no need to interview Barrett. Done. Find another female strict constitutionalist when Ginsburg steps down and repeat. Thanks Harry Reid.

[MechAg94]

Let me be the first to predict that Judge Kavanaugh will end up withdrawing his nomination for the Court.  Whether the stated reason is 'to spare his family' or 'respect for the President', or whatever, he is going to pull the plug before it actually gets to a vote, which I suspect he would lose, and that would reflect badly upon the President and the Republicans.  This makes me wonder how anyone is going to possibly pass the vetting and nomination in the future. I am reminded of the saying about winning the battle and losing the war.  

If he does so, it will be taken as an admission of guilt by the media and many others.  People on the left thought bad things of him before and will continue to do so even if all the accusers suddenly recant and say they lied.  I don't think he gains anything for himself by doing so.  A target was on his back the moment he was nominated.

If this is because a few Republican Senators can't bring themselves to vote for him, nothing he does will change that.  That is something O'Connell and voters need to deal with.  There is no acceptable candidate that Democrats won't defame in order to block their nomination.  I begin to think the only way to avoid this is to increase the majority in the Senate so they are not dependent on a couple of lightweights for enough votes.  

If he is guilty and the accusations start to hit home, the damage is already done anyway.

[zxcvbob]

At this point, maybe just have Kavanaugh step down, nominate Amy Barrett, and say that there will be no hearings, only a vote, because we believe all women so there is no need to interview Barrett. Done. Find another female strict constitutionalist when Ginsburg steps down and repeat. Thanks Harry Reid.

I don't know Amy Barrett so I can't comment on that (sure I can, but I won't)  But I really liked the idea of nominating Dr. Condi Rice.  Maybe DJT Jr. is watching this thread and pass along the idea?

[MechAg94]

I don't know Amy Barrett so I can't comment on that (sure I can, but I won't)  But I really liked the idea of nominating Dr. Condi Rice.  Maybe DJT Jr. is watching this thread and pass along the idea?

I don't know much about Condi Rice as far as her Constitutional views. 

[Ben]

I don't know much about Condi Rice as far as her Constitutional views. 

I actually believe she's a bit squishier on some things, including the 2nd (despite the stories of her dad) than Barrett. I think I saw after one of the last shootings that Rice said we should consider EBR restrictions.

[MillCreek]

^^^I think there is good reason why polygraphs are generally inadmissible in court.  I take polygraph results with a railcar of salt.  I have gone to a couple legal seminars on them over the years, and they may have some utility in the national security setting, but haven't some of the FBI/CIA Soviet moles in recent years passed their periodic polygraphs?

[MechAg94]

^^^I think there is good reason why polygraphs are generally inadmissible in court.  I take polygraph results with a railcar of salt.  I have gone to a couple legal seminars on them over the years, and they may have some utility in the national security setting, but haven't some of the FBI/CIA Soviet moles in recent years passed their periodic polygraphs?

Plus, I heard it was administered in her lawyer's office which isn't exactly independent. 

[Ben]

^^^I think there is good reason why polygraphs are generally inadmissible in court.  I take polygraph results with a railcar of salt.  I have gone to a couple legal seminars on them over the years, and they may have some utility in the national security setting, but haven't some of the FBI/CIA Soviet moles in recent years passed their periodic polygraphs?

https://youtu.be/uD7n_p7zAqo?t=125

[brimic]

For those trying to quash Kavanaugh's nomination:  be careful what you wish for:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/the-on-deck-justice-could-be-a-bigger-dem-problem-than-kavanaugh-kennedy

That's who I was hoping for before Kavanagh got nominated. As and aside, She looks like she could be my current wife's twin.

[Perd Hapley]

After the first two allegations rumors, I'm not sure what would induce me to believe Kavanaugh is guilty of any sexual assault, of any kind, at any time.

[MechAg94]

https://kprcradio.iheart.com/featured/the-pursuit-of-happiness/content/2018-09-25-friday-morning-vote-scheduled-to-advance-kavanaugh-nomination/

The Senate Judiciary Committee is planning to hold a vote on Friday morning to advance the Supreme Court nomination of Brett Kavanaugh. The vote will come just one day after Thursday's hearing to address a sexual assault allegation levied against Kavanaugh. 

https://www.businessinsider.com/brett-kavanaugh-supreme-court-confirmation-vote-date-christine-blasey-ford-2018-9
I saw a handful of links on google saying the same.  We will see.

[Angel Eyes]

... assuming Ford shows up on Thursday.