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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #325 on: September 27, 2018, 06:49:18 PM »
One a scale of one to Claire Wolfe I am at about 8.5. Hard to see how this doesn't lead to the end of our struggling experiment.
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I expect a military coup in my lifetime.

Maybe it’s already in progress with Trump being their guy.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #326 on: September 27, 2018, 07:18:58 PM »
Cory Booker asked Kavanaugh if he drank on weekdays. I so wish Kavanaugh would have answered a question with a question and asked Booker if he did Heroin on weekdays too, or just weekends.

Also Feinstein apparently made Alyssa Milano her guest at the hearing, and Milano managed to plant herself directly behind Kavanaugh in the camera view so she could make faces.  I tried watching some again, and when I saw her and her stupid face, off the TV went again. I kinda hope that Hollywood celebrity thing backfires with middle America. I think even Dems in places like Iowa are sick of Hollywood patting them on the head and telling them what to do.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #327 on: September 27, 2018, 07:56:16 PM »
Wikipedia doxxes Senate Judiciary Committee, publishes home addresses and phone numbers.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/27/senate-judiciary-committee-republicans-addresses-p/

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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #328 on: September 27, 2018, 08:28:07 PM »
Wikipedia doxxes Senate Judiciary Committee, publishes home addresses and phone numbers.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2018/sep/27/senate-judiciary-committee-republicans-addresses-p/



And they apparently did so from inside the House of Representatives. I'm about to agree with French on the Claire Wolfe thing.

https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2018/09/27/someone-was-doxxing-gop-senators-during-the-brett-kavanaugh-hearing/
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #330 on: September 27, 2018, 08:53:30 PM »
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« Reply #331 on: September 27, 2018, 09:05:31 PM »
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #332 on: September 27, 2018, 09:19:22 PM »
Even a broken clock is correct occasionally.

I just love it when little ineffectual nice people lose their *expletive deleted*it. It entertains me.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #333 on: September 27, 2018, 09:34:44 PM »
Ok. I don’t even know what to say.

Lyndsey Graham impressed me...

Kavanaugh may not be as squishy as I thought and might just be a regular guy as well...

I might be in Bizzaro world.

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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #334 on: September 27, 2018, 09:37:04 PM »
I just love it when little ineffectual nice people lose their *expletive deleted*it. It entertains me.

True,  but I refuse to give that asshat any credit for it. :cool:
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #335 on: September 27, 2018, 09:42:09 PM »
Turns out the Senate site is down (at least the comments part for my senator),  in the off chance anyone wanted to voice their thoughts on this farce.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #336 on: September 27, 2018, 09:44:18 PM »
I was impressed with Kavanaugh's testimony.  I missed the Ford testimony due to work but I feel sure I will get the highlights on the news.  I believe Ford is mistaken on the identity of the person she identifies as young Brett Kavanaugh and she has been essentially convincing herself of her belief for the last few weeks.  So she is 100% sure.  Means nothing if she has a bad memory.

I would love to see a movement nationwide with Republican and Democrat Senators alike, if you vote "No" to the confirmation, I will vote "No" relative to your re-election.  I predict the WV senator votes "Yes".  There may be a couple other Democrats that vote in favor of Kavanaugh.  Feinstein, Booker, Blumenthal, Durbin, and others have to go to restore the democratic process or it is only going to get worse.  Republicans can play this game too.  
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #337 on: September 27, 2018, 09:59:50 PM »
I was impressed with Kavanaugh's testimony.  I missed the Ford testimony due to work but I feel sure I will get the highlights on the news.  I believe Ford is mistaken on the identity of the person she identifies as young Brett Kavanaugh and she has been essentially convincing herself of her belief for the last few weeks.  So she is 100% sure.  Means nothing if she has a bad memory.

Oh, I believe that she believes it. I can even believe that something like what she described actually did happen to her, maybe even multiple times with multiple attackers.

And I'm betting that that (those) traumatic experiences screwed her up pretty bad. I'm also betting that she couldn't accurately recall any of it. Memory, especially memory of trauma, is not reliable, especially decades later. She's probably distilled down a bunch of flashes and half memories into one semi coherent event, put some convenient names on it and has relived it so many times in her head that now, to her, it's real.

The really shitty thing about her is she should know better than to trust her own memories on the subject.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #338 on: September 27, 2018, 10:06:06 PM »
But Lindsey Graham's righteous outrage was beautiful to behold.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/09/27/lindsey-graham-tears-into-democrats-over-sham-kavanaugh-hearing.html  [popcorn]


I'm not even a Lindsey Graham hater - can't remember what we don't like about him - but true indignation is not always distinguishable from grandstanding. That being said, there should definitely have been a lot more grandstanding from our side, so good for Graham.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #339 on: September 27, 2018, 10:10:04 PM »

I'm not even a Lindsey Graham hater - can't remember what we don't like about him - but true indignation is not always distinguishable from grandstanding. That being said, there should definitely have been a lot more grandstanding from our side, so good for Graham.

I think it was a combo. He seems like the type that has to be furious to even consider grandstanding in the first place. I wouldn't want to be the janitor that has to clean that section of the table and the mic, because I'm pretty sure he was literally spitting during that rant.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #340 on: September 27, 2018, 10:16:48 PM »
She should have never been given a platform or legitimacy in the first place. She is a liar.

There is no case against Kavanaugh period.

She is demonstrably a Democrat partisan who even engaged in lies the week of her hearing (Fear of flying).

When is the right going to stop letting the left choose the battlefield?



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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #341 on: September 27, 2018, 10:17:23 PM »
BREAKING: Swing Vote Bob Corker Says He Is A 'Yes' On Kavanaugh

Ya think? Do ya think so, Bob?! Do you think it's about time you stopped giving credence to these half-baked rumors?

Actually, I can see why he might think he needs to "keep an open mind" publicly, until this was all aired out. But he was wrong.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #342 on: September 27, 2018, 10:19:45 PM »
I tend to get my news via logos, without much imago, so I didn't realize how young his daughters are. I just saw a photograph of them, and holy Moses what an awful thing for such young girls to go through.  =( :mad:

She should have never been given a platform or legitimacy in the first place. She is a liar.

There is no case against Kavanaugh period.

She is demonstrably a Democrat partisan who even engaged in lies the week of her hearing (Fear of flying).

When is the right going to stop letting the left choose the battlefield?

I agree she should never have been taken seriously. But was she the one who claimed a fear of flying, or was that her handlers? She eagerly admitted today that she flies frequently.




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How telling is it the only "accusations" they could find were from the 80s? Even the one from the 90s fell apart within a day or two.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #343 on: September 27, 2018, 10:55:32 PM »
After reading a whole bunch of Twitter stuff about this and getting pissed off, Sean Spicier posts this and gets me laughing.  

"All of this he said she said stuff could all be avoided if women would just get back in the kitchen."  

 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

However, I am glad Kavanaugh didn't say that.  No joke (even fart jokes) would be taken as such by the media.  He didn't look like he was in the mood to joke around anyway. 

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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #344 on: September 27, 2018, 10:58:38 PM »
I heard maybe 10 minutes total of the Ford part of the hearing.  I think I heard her speak for about 12 seconds and heard Democrats grandstand for 9 minutes.  Same thing for parts of the Kavanaugh questioning I heard except for his statement.  

The entire hearing only accomplished putting the Democrat's hatchet job on display.  I didn't hear that Ford added anything new that would prove what she is saying.  It was essentially useless.  What I hope happened is a lot of people who were undecided saw the crap-show and made a decision for the November election.  
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #345 on: September 27, 2018, 11:05:00 PM »
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #346 on: September 28, 2018, 01:09:04 AM »
It was a disgustingly bad soap opera.  (Wife2 was a soap opera addict, so I know.)

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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #347 on: September 28, 2018, 01:39:20 AM »
Oh, I believe that she believes it. I can even believe that something like what she described actually did happen to her, maybe even multiple times with multiple attackers.

And I'm betting that that (those) traumatic experiences screwed her up pretty bad. I'm also betting that she couldn't accurately recall any of it. Memory, especially memory of trauma, is not reliable, especially decades later. She's probably distilled down a bunch of flashes and half memories into one semi coherent event, put some convenient names on it and has relived it so many times in her head that now, to her, it's real.

The really shitty thing about her is she should know better than to trust her own memories on the subject.

Memory is a funny thing. Keep in mind all the scandals about child abuse a couple of decades ago. A lot of good people were sent to prison as a result of "child advocates" knowingly or unknowingly implanting false "memories" in kids. It's called the power of suggestion. A long time ago, in a galaxy far away from this one, I had a marriage and family counseling practice, and I also did therapeutic hypnosis. The human mind is really a very malleable and fallible thing. Any half decent hypnotist can get someone to believe something that never happened, and they can make someone forget what happened five minutes ago.

The fact that Ms. Ford's memories "clarified" after multiple sessions with her handlers lawyers doesn't carry any water with me. That's no different from all those child advocates implanting and cementing false memories in the past. Think about documented cases in which police have convinced people to confess to crimes that were later proven to have been committed by someone else.

Same thing for her lie detector test. I know how easy it is to completely invalidate a lie detector test. And, from what I've read, her lie detector test wasn't a legitimate, neutral, objective lie detector test anyway, it was set up to "prove" that she was telling the truth. And remember, too, that when someone "remembers" something that didn't happen, to them it IS the truth, even though it's factually incorrect.
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #348 on: September 28, 2018, 01:47:48 AM »
Oh, I believe that she believes it. I can even believe that something like what she described actually did happen to her, maybe even multiple times with multiple attackers.

And I'm betting that that (those) traumatic experiences screwed her up pretty bad. I'm also betting that she couldn't accurately recall any of it. Memory, especially memory of trauma, is not reliable, especially decades later. She's probably distilled down a bunch of flashes and half memories into one semi coherent event, put some convenient names on it and has relived it so many times in her head that now, to her, it's real.

The really shitty thing about her is she should know better than to trust her own memories on the subject.

I have to agree.

A few years back at one of my MP Company's reunion, I was telling a story about incident X, involving two of my soldiers.  Soldier A and Soldier B.  When I was about half way through, Soldier B says "That wasn't me."  (Soldier A was not present at the reunion).  

Me:  Sure it was, you and Soldier A were always together, on and off duty.
Soldier B:  Sir, I'm sorry, but I wasn't there for that, as much as I would love to say I was.  Sorry sir, it wasn't me.
Me: ???
 
And couple years later, at a different reunion Soldier C says, "Hey sir, remember the time me and Soldier A did incident X and you saved our bacon with the commander."
Me: !!!!  So it was you !!!


Now, for 20+ years if you would have put me on the stand and asked me under oath, "Who were the two soldiers involved in incident X ?"  I would have said, without hesitation, and being 100% confident, that it was Soldiers A and B.  And I would have been completely (well, maybe not completely but at least 50%) wrong.

So I do feel sorry for her if what she claims happened, happened.  However, I think it's totally plausible that once Kavanaugh's name bubbled up in the 2012 election as a potential Romney pick for SCOTUS, that she latched onto that name as her attacker.  

And has convinced herself that he's the guy.  
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Re: Feinstein's Letter about Kavanaugh.
« Reply #349 on: September 28, 2018, 08:32:46 AM »
Even if true, two drunken teenagers and an unsuccessful attempt at copping a feel over 3 decades ago is not a sufficient basis to destroy a career.

Stop white knighting for the immoral political operative that is attempting to destroy a mans career over what is essentially a typical object lesson of what happens when you exercise poor judgement as a teen. Hopefully she taught her children to exercise better judgement than she did.

The only person we know was there for sure is her.

I believe Kavanaugh.

This is a political hit job and protestations to the contrary are just rationalizations excusing the attempted destruction of the man for political purposes, not justice.

No presumption of innocence and (even if he was guilty) the imposed punishment is cruel and unusual in light of the alleged crime.




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