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Team Wendy
« on: June 14, 2016, 10:16:55 AM »
http://bearingarms.com/bob-o/2016/06/11/company-facing-tremendous-backlash-hosting-hillary-clinton/

I forget where I saw it, but Team Wendy is catching a lot of grief over hosting Hillary Clinton. 
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It started when it was announced by the company on their Facebook Page that the first major campaign event after Hillary Clinton wrapped up the Democrat nomination was going to be a campaign stop at Team Wendy. 

The responses back to Team Wendy by their military and law enforcement customers was immediate, visceral, and in many cases, intensely profane.
Sounds like they have deleted the original posts and posted other photos with a Democrat congressman. 
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Update: Now Team Wendy has dropped the pinned post as well, and issued a statement second-hand through Soldier Systems. Team Wendy’s Facebook page is being bombarded with posts noting that Team Wendy’s founder, Dan T. Moore III, has contributed heavily to Democrats hostile to the military, including Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, and Charles Rangel. TNVC.

We expect this post—their fourth, by our count—to soon be deleted as well.
This isn't looking good. 
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2016, 10:30:02 AM »
Hopefully they get the hell Zumboed out of them.

TNVC and some other tactical/gun-related resellers have already dropped them. There's plenty of other ballistic and "bump" NV mounting helmet options out there from Crye and OpsCore etc.
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2016, 10:40:44 AM »
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense for a company with their customer base to publicize supporting Democrats like they did.  
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2016, 10:48:11 AM »
I heard this incident mentioned as similar to what is happening with Team Wendy.  This is from 4 years ago.  I guess I missed it.  I heard it mentioned that Recoil Magazine is only now started to recover.

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/09/robert-farago/readers-recoil-from-recoil-magazine/
http://www.itstactical.com/centcom/its-information/the-recoil-magazine-2nd-amendment-controversy/
http://soldiersystems.net/2012/09/10/you-cant-run-from-the-internet-take-2/

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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2016, 11:42:28 AM »
Yeah, it just doesn't make sense for a company with their customer base to publicize supporting Democrats like their did.  

I guess I'd have to see the numbers of private sales vs. .gov contracts.

The market for people who have $1000 to spend on a helmet, to then turn around and hang $1500-3000 or more in NV or, five-figures of digital thermal/IR on that helmet is pretty limited.

AFAIK, the main "serious users" of the pricey NV helmets in the civilian market are wealthier people who do a lot of nighttime hog hunting. After that, I dunno. Perhaps vets that miss having the capability, people who just want to have "the best" even if they don't get to use it a lot. I mean hell... I'd LOVE to have the capability for SHTF, beyond the ultra-heavy Zeiss Eltro gen 1 cascade I have on my FAL that cost about $500. For me, dumping four figures or more into that kind of thing will always fall behind just some new gun, ammo, or other things when I actually get that much saved up. I'm holding out for digital tech to make IR/Thermal cheaper lighter, and more commoditized. Which slowly seems to be happening. Not as fast as smartphones or anything, due to the smaller market that does not drive the same economies of scale, but it's starting to happen.

There are some $500-ish thermal units out there that look like a small EoTech in form-factor, but the resolution is horrible, the frame rate probably is too, and they're mainly a toy so far.

Also a consideration to "wait for cheap thermal" is all the light pollution in even semi-suburban areas, unless it's such a complete SHTF it's a 100% blackout.

But even if Team Wendy's sales to the civilian gun/tactical market is miniscule to the point the owner can put his politics ahead of profit comfortably and give the finger to us, it could still backfire with the .gov contracts too. AFAIK, the guys who actually get issued Team Wendy helmets aren't the bulk of the infantry who just get a PASGT/ACH kevlar pot, they tend to be a bit more SOF/tip-of-the-spear types, and they have more say in what they get issued. If they care about this or get wind of the Team Wendy/Hillary connection, they could all start clamoring for Crye helmets or whatever.
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2016, 12:05:54 PM »
So it's now Team Wendy Davis?
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2016, 02:53:19 PM »
I am sure they are banking on a hillary win in November.  This smacks of just another pay for play issue.  Cozy up to the new prez, look for new contracts.

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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2016, 03:09:03 PM »
I am sure they are banking on a hillary win in November.  This smacks of just another pay for play issue.  Cozy up to the new prez, look for new contracts.

Sounds about right.
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2016, 04:31:05 PM »
I guess I'd have to see the numbers of private sales vs. .gov contracts.

The market for people who have $1000 to spend on a helmet, to then turn around and hang $1500-3000 or more in NV or, five-figures of digital thermal/IR on that helmet is pretty limited.

AFAIK, the main "serious users" of the pricey NV helmets in the civilian market are wealthier people who do a lot of nighttime hog hunting. After that, I dunno. Perhaps vets that miss having the capability, people who just want to have "the best" even if they don't get to use it a lot. I mean hell... I'd LOVE to have the capability for SHTF, beyond the ultra-heavy Zeiss Eltro gen 1 cascade I have on my FAL that cost about $500. For me, dumping four figures or more into that kind of thing will always fall behind just some new gun, ammo, or other things when I actually get that much saved up. I'm holding out for digital tech to make IR/Thermal cheaper lighter, and more commoditized. Which slowly seems to be happening. Not as fast as smartphones or anything, due to the smaller market that does not drive the same economies of scale, but it's starting to happen.

There are some $500-ish thermal units out there that look like a small EoTech in form-factor, but the resolution is horrible, the frame rate probably is too, and they're mainly a toy so far.

Also a consideration to "wait for cheap thermal" is all the light pollution in even semi-suburban areas, unless it's such a complete SHTF it's a 100% blackout.

But even if Team Wendy's sales to the civilian gun/tactical market is miniscule to the point the owner can put his politics ahead of profit comfortably and give the finger to us, it could still backfire with the .gov contracts too. AFAIK, the guys who actually get issued Team Wendy helmets aren't the bulk of the infantry who just get a PASGT/ACH kevlar pot, they tend to be a bit more SOF/tip-of-the-spear types, and they have more say in what they get issued. If they care about this or get wind of the Team Wendy/Hillary connection, they could all start clamoring for Crye helmets or whatever.
I got a pretty good low light night vision monocular a few years back.  It is great for seeing in darkness, but I do wish it had thermal capability.  When you have a lot of brush and shadows, it is tough to see animals and such very far away. 
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2016, 06:22:41 PM »
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I forget where I saw it, but Team Wendy is catching a lot of grief over hosting Hillary Clinton
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You saw it right here on APS.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=51873.0
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2016, 06:54:39 PM »
Owner is a longtime dem so not just this incident
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2016, 08:38:54 PM »
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I forget where I saw it, but Team Wendy is catching a lot of grief over hosting Hillary Clinton
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You saw it right here on APS.

http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=51873.0
Thanks.  I couldn't remember.  The odd thread titles sometimes used here can be a hindrance. 
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2016, 08:40:14 PM »
Owner is a longtime dem so not just this incident
That is what I am seeing coming out.  Since he is in denial about political reality, I guess he was in denial about his customer base. 
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #13 on: June 15, 2016, 01:02:50 PM »
From reading their explanation letter, it passes the smell test. Their side of the story is that Hillary and others were on a site visit. That either always was or became a campaign event for the Cleveland Industrial Innovation Center. Their company was just one of the companies in the place, but may have gotten a higher profile for being a defense contractor. The owner is a Dem, but allegedly keeps his personal life separate from the company. They acknowledged dipping their toe in politics bit them hard, and likely will cause their company a lot of problems.

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Is Team Wendy lying? I have few doubts that they're regretting posting those photos. Their marketing or PR person hopefully is fired by now. That's what PR/Marketing and ESPECIALLY social media folks miss. The point is that most people are decent number beings, but there's always some group that are as well behaved as chimps on a steady diet of daytime television and methamphetamine. Social media PR/marketing folks should understand that their SOLE job is to keep those angry chimps mobs at bay. Could be anti-Trump chimps. Could be anti-Hillary chimps.

Politics isn't the only lightning rod, but it sure as hell is an obvious one. Team Wendy might be actually guilty of being polite to a politician, and also might be guilty of having a Democrat owning a company. I know, both are pretty shocking accusations. Terrible to consider, but they must be.

Regardless of the accusations, they have been found guilty in the court of angry chimp mobs, and that is all that matters. They were stupid for offending the right wing version of Social Justice Warriors. Will it kill the company? Eh. They make ueber expensive helmets mostly from government entities. Few other folks can or would drop a grand on a helmet. Probably will take a hit, especially from cop purchases. But unless they're already on thin margins, probably not a lethal one.


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I must confess... I have committed the triple sins of being a Democrat, owning a business and have been polite to politicians before. Yes, I! Surely, I am deserving of as much scorn! Such anger! Must I do the walk of atonement, marched through streets while RW-SJW purists chant "shame! shame!" ? Walk on hot coals ? Suffer through one viewing of Zardoz?
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #14 on: June 15, 2016, 01:29:53 PM »
You're joking about being a member of the Democratic Party? You think that's funny? You think it's funny to be a member of a party committed to the destruction of the nation that has done more for mankind than any other in human history?
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2016, 05:57:50 PM »
I am sure they are banking on a hillary win in November.  This smacks of just another pay for play issue.  Cozy up to the new prez, look for new contracts.

Except you don't cozy up to presidential candidates to get the lucrative contracts. For that kind of juice you cozy up to congressmen on appropriations committees. This was just Dan Moore (owner, team Wendy) supporting his preferred candidate as he has done in the past (documented campaign contributions to Clinton, Obama and other democrats.)

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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 06:00:19 PM »
That is what I am seeing coming out.  Since he is in denial about political reality, I guess he was in denial about his customer base. 

Or he just thought that any oorah types were meatheads who would be too stupid to notice. His pathetic and specious excuses when he was initially called out on it seem to give credence to such a notion.

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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2016, 06:23:25 PM »
You're joking about being a member of the Democratic Party? You think that's funny? You think it's funny to be a member of a party committed to the destruction of the nation that has done more for mankind than any other in human history?

I am actually a Dem, business owners and have been polite to scummy politicians. Admittedly, I don't usually give them money.
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2016, 06:39:47 PM »
I am actually a Dem, business owners and have been polite to scummy politicians. Admittedly, I don't usually give them money.
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2016, 06:43:03 PM »
Or he just thought that any oorah types were meatheads who would be too stupid to notice. His pathetic and specious excuses when he was initially called out on it seem to give credence to such a notion.
Gun Control has become a hot button issue and gun rights supporters have become increasingly sensitive to the idea that compromise means loss of rights.  They are very quick to lay the hammer down on anyone that might support gun control or something that might look like gun control in poor lighting.  IMO, every business in the gun industry or closely related industries should already know that and be sensitive to it. 
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2016, 06:53:55 PM »
Gun Control has become a hot button issue and gun rights supporters have become increasingly sensitive to the idea that compromise means loss of rights.  They are very quick to lay the hammer down on anyone that might support gun control or something that might look like gun control in poor lighting.  IMO, every business in the gun industry or closely related industries should already know that and be sensitive to it. 

Or it could be the fact that Clinton has shown nothing but open contempt and disdain for anyone wearing any sort of uniform, facilitated the murder of an American ambassador and citizens, and used government office to conduct espionage against the United States for personal profit.

But sure, it could just be a knee jerk about gun control.

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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2016, 10:44:48 AM »
Or it could be the fact that Clinton has shown nothing but open contempt and disdain for anyone wearing any sort of uniform, facilitated the murder of an American ambassador and citizens, and used government office to conduct espionage against the United States for personal profit.

But sure, it could just be a knee jerk about gun control.
Yeah, that too.   =D
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2016, 02:33:43 PM »
I am actually a Dem, business owners and have been polite to scummy politicians. Admittedly, I don't usually give them money.


I know you're a Democrat. I just don't find it funny.
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2016, 05:07:32 PM »
I know you're a Democrat. I just don't find it funny.

And I'm way, way less socialist than most Republican politicians. Now that's at least funny, right?
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Re: Team Wendy
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2016, 05:21:57 PM »
And I'm way, way less socialist than most Republican politicians. Now that's at least funny, right?


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