Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 04, 2008, 07:18:45 AM
Could Obama do that? I've seen him without his teleprompter, and it isn't pretty.
We keep hearing that Obama is a magnificent orator, but is he really? Is he as good as Sarah?
Post by: longeyes on September 04, 2008, 07:25:18 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on September 04, 2008, 07:27:51 AM
Post by: GigaBuist on September 04, 2008, 07:24:44 PM
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We keep hearing that Obama is a magnificent orator, but is he really? Is he as good as Sarah?
Who cares?Hitler would have wiped the floor with both of them.
Oratory skills are pretty low on my radar.
Post by: De Selby on September 04, 2008, 07:31:45 PM
But in terms of straight oratorical skill, I'd say it's pretty clearly Obama.
Post by: Balog on September 04, 2008, 07:37:03 PM
It's not that important when you consider that they probably will not say much of substance anyway. No one actually elaborates a full policy in a stump speech.
But in terms of straight oratorical skill, I'd say it's pretty clearly Obama.
But in terms of straight oratorical skill, I'd say it's pretty clearly Obama.
He gives prepared stuff well; from what I've seen he sucks hard ex tempore.
Post by: Dntsycnt on September 04, 2008, 07:39:45 PM
Obama is a very good speaker. It's a large part of how he elicits such vast emotional reaction.
Sarah does it by posing with a gun.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 05, 2008, 04:18:20 AM
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on September 05, 2008, 05:06:19 AM
Have you been paying any attention to your current President?
Post by: GigaBuist on September 05, 2008, 07:41:40 AM
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Some of y'all don't think that communication skills are important for a President?
Communication is a two way street.
Public speaking bears more of a resemblance to marketing than it does communication.
Post by: Manedwolf on September 05, 2008, 07:44:09 AM
Some of y'all don't think that communication skills are important for a President?
Have you been paying any attention to your current President?
Have you been paying any attention to your current President?
Especially when you compare him to George Senior, who is probably facepalming every time fumblemouth stumbles his way through a speech.
A lot of the negative approval rating is, I believe, quite due to the fact that Dubya talks like he has a mouthful of pebbles and a hangover.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 05, 2008, 08:36:22 AM
Post by: Manedwolf on September 05, 2008, 09:39:54 AM
Honestly, GW's speech never phased me much. It just isn't all that important to me. I have to admit it does mean more to others and just gives away an avenue for attacks.
It was just such an absolute contrast when he was speaking right after Blair, especially.
Post by: MechAg94 on September 05, 2008, 10:34:53 AM
Post by: MechAg94 on September 05, 2008, 10:37:13 AM
Honestly, GW's speech never phased me much. It just isn't all that important to me. I have to admit it does mean more to others and just gives away an avenue for attacks.
It was just such an absolute contrast when he was speaking right after Blair, especially.
Post by: Monkeyleg on September 05, 2008, 01:17:12 PM
The front teleprompter was malfunctioning. When it was, previous speakers were looking to the left teleprompter. No doubt the unit was malfunctioning for Palin as well, yet she didn't need it. She already had the speech down pat.
Factor in the point that she had been under relentless media attacks for days about her, her daughter, her newborn baby, her record and everything else. Add to that mix the fact that a poor performance on her part would have sealed McCain's fate. That's a ton of pressure.
Yet she gave a great speech, one that has been described as one of the greatest political speeches in recent history.
I'd say Sarah wins hands-down.
Post by: stevelyn on September 05, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
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But in terms of straight oratorical skill, I'd say it's pretty clearly Obama.
I haven't found him to be all that impressive. However, I may be biased since I understand what it is he's trying to sell and nothing he says is any good.
Post by: don on September 05, 2008, 06:14:12 PM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 05, 2008, 06:22:43 PM
It's not that important when you consider that they probably will not say much of substance anyway. No one actually elaborates a full policy in a stump speech.
But in terms of straight oratorical skill, I'd say it's pretty clearly Obama.
But in terms of straight oratorical skill, I'd say it's pretty clearly Obama.
imagine that?
...... 
Post by: Boomhauer on September 05, 2008, 06:23:54 PM
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But in terms of straight oratorical skill, I'd say it's pretty clearly Obama.
You got to be kidding me, right?
He reads nicely off of a teleprompter.
No teleprompter? You've never heard more uhhs and pauses from the town stutterer.
When I see Obama, for some reason, I am reminded of Ron Burgundy from Anchorman, who would read anything, and I mean anything, off of the teleprompter.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 05, 2008, 06:25:40 PM
And who has prettier eyes?
Obama is a very good speaker. It's a large part of how he elicits such vast emotional reaction.
Sarah does it by posing with a gun.
Obama is a very good speaker. It's a large part of how he elicits such vast emotional reaction.
Sarah does it by posing with a gun.
HUH? I must have missed the AR slung over her shoulder at the convention... '/
Post by: Dntsycnt on September 05, 2008, 07:02:56 PM
Palin's image as a gun totin', moose killin' good ole girl is what fuels her drooling fanbase, and leads them to ascribe qualities to her that do not exist, such as being an exceptional speaker, or a qualified candidate for the Presidency. Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
Post by: Nick1911 on September 05, 2008, 07:16:00 PM
Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
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Best. Metaphor. Ever. Dntsycnt for the win!
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Post by: ilbob on September 05, 2008, 07:19:51 PM
Liberals and demorats won't like either.
Post by: K Frame on September 05, 2008, 07:33:01 PM
Okay, I'll spell it out for you since you seem to be more concerned with obtuse half-clever responses than the substance of my statement:
Palin's image as a gun totin', moose killin' good ole girl is what fuels her drooling fanbase, and leads them to ascribe qualities to her that do not exist, such as being an exceptional speaker, or a qualified candidate for the Presidency. Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
Palin's image as a gun totin', moose killin' good ole girl is what fuels her drooling fanbase, and leads them to ascribe qualities to her that do not exist, such as being an exceptional speaker, or a qualified candidate for the Presidency. Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
Still figuring Ron Paul can somehow wrest the nomination?
Post by: Manedwolf on September 05, 2008, 07:38:42 PM
Okay, I'll spell it out for you since you seem to be more concerned with obtuse half-clever responses than the substance of my statement:
Palin's image as a gun totin', moose killin' good ole girl is what fuels her drooling fanbase, and leads them to ascribe qualities to her that do not exist, such as being an exceptional speaker, or a qualified candidate for the Presidency. Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
Palin's image as a gun totin', moose killin' good ole girl is what fuels her drooling fanbase, and leads them to ascribe qualities to her that do not exist, such as being an exceptional speaker, or a qualified candidate for the Presidency. Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
Shrill? Sounds like a Minnesota or upper midwest accent to me. I keep expecting a "youbetcha".
Don't talk to any girls from there. You'd find them "shrill".
Post by: Dntsycnt on September 05, 2008, 07:46:51 PM
Still figuring Ron Paul can somehow wrest the nomination?
Ron Paul and his merry band of loonies? I've no interest in joining any cult.
Post by: Tallpine on September 06, 2008, 05:53:36 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on September 06, 2008, 07:21:38 AM
Okay, I'll spell it out for you since you seem to be more concerned with obtuse half-clever responses than the substance of my statement:
Palin's image as a gun totin', moose killin' good ole girl is what fuels her drooling fanbase, and leads them to ascribe qualities to her that do not exist, such as being an exceptional speaker, or a qualified candidate for the Presidency. Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
Palin's image as a gun totin', moose killin' good ole girl is what fuels her drooling fanbase, and leads them to ascribe qualities to her that do not exist, such as being an exceptional speaker, or a qualified candidate for the Presidency. Her shrill clacking pompous jocularity is in no way endearing or indicative of a good public speaker, and buzzes in my head like the screams of a Lovecraftian octopus god.
You think that buzzing in your head is because of Palin's mechanics of speech?! No, no, no. Bless your heart. That buzzing is coming from your logic circuits overloading due to your attempt at a obtuse half-clever turn of phrase.
That image is one "projected" upon her by the oh so adoring "journos" that populate the 4th estate. That you would believe it as honest says more about your lack of critical ability than anything else. You evidently don't really listen to women when they speak. If you did you wouldn't be put off by a voice with higher pitch. And finally, Do you even know the definition of jocularity?
Jim
Post by: Bigjake on September 06, 2008, 07:31:27 AM
Still figuring Ron Paul can somehow wrest the nomination?
I was finishing lunch in the wendys parking lot when Rush mentions there were a couple of protesters attempting to disrupt McCain's speech.
No word yet if they were in wookie attire.
Post by: Dntsycnt on September 06, 2008, 07:41:48 AM
You think that buzzing in your head is because of Palin's mechanics of speech?! No, no, no. Bless your heart. That buzzing is coming from your logic circuits overloading due to your attempt at a obtuse half-clever turn of phrase.
That image is one "projected" upon her by the oh so adoring "journos" that populate the 4th estate. That you would believe it as honest says more about your lack of critical ability than anything else. You evidently don't really listen to women when they speak. If you did you wouldn't be put off by a voice with higher pitch. And finally, Do you even know the definition of jocularity?
Jim
That image is one "projected" upon her by the oh so adoring "journos" that populate the 4th estate. That you would believe it as honest says more about your lack of critical ability than anything else. You evidently don't really listen to women when they speak. If you did you wouldn't be put off by a voice with higher pitch. And finally, Do you even know the definition of jocularity?
Jim
Ouch. You got me in every aspect. You win the internets.
Post by: Waitone on September 07, 2008, 03:00:52 AM
Post by: Perd Hapley on September 07, 2008, 04:56:06 AM
I suppose a lot of criticisms of Palin may be plausible, even if untrue. But "pompous" just isn't one of them.
Post by: zahc on September 07, 2008, 05:04:52 AM
I don't do TV so i guess I missed it.