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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: K Frame on July 24, 2020, 12:12:57 PM
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According to Fox News, The Washington Post just settled with him...
https://www.foxnews.com/media/washington-post-settles-nicholas-sandmann-defamation-lawsuit-in-covington-catholic-high-school-controversy
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I hope he becomes a very rich young man, and then does something (else) worthwhile.
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I guess if he was a troubled 16 year old girl and talked about global warming they would not have defamed him.
Glad to see someone succeeding with defamation lawsuits. Not many go anywhere (that I here about anyway).
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Good for him! I hope he wins or settles with the other lawsuits as well, most especially Twitter.
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Awesome.
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I hope he becomes a very rich young man, and then does something (else) worthwhile.
This follows the multi-million dollar settlement CNN made with the teenager back in January.
Looks like he is off to a good start.
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It would be even better if the individual reporters who misrepresented the incident were also held personally responsible financially.
And the bishop who was so quick to throw him under the bus ought to cough up some dough, too.
Still, good for him. Hope the settlement amount is leaked, and NOT by him. (Assuming he's under a nondisclosure agreement.)
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It would be even better if the individual reporters who misrepresented the incident were also held personally responsible financially.
This. Because having the corporation pay is zero incentive for the "journalist" to do better. If anything, the journalists that do this crap probably step it up a notch as an FU, since there are no consequences for them.
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From a comment on the story on the Fox News website: "Ten Bears says there is iron is his lawsuit."
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From a comment on the story on the Fox News website: "Ten Bears says there is iron is his lawsuit."
Kinda obscure, but I know what you're talking about :) (so it probably wasn't all that obscure)
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From a comment on the story on the Fox News website: "Ten Bears says there is iron is his lawsuit."
:laugh:
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Later, Josey pointed his Garand at some reporters and said, "Get off my lawn!" Mr. Sandman took that as a sign that his lawsuits would end well.
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The Washington Post has settled a lawsuit brought by the parents of a teenager who alleged that news coverage of the teen’s encounter with a Native American activist on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial last year was defamatory.
The Post admitted no wrongdoing in settling with the family of Nicholas Sandmann, the Covington, Ky., high school student who was involved in the episode during a school trip to Washington in January 2019.
Attorneys for the Sandmanns filed to dismiss the suit Friday morning in federal district court in Covington. Neither side disclosed the terms of the settlement, which foreclosed the possibility of a trial.
That is pretty standard I would assume but without any more info (like $$) how do we know who "won"?
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Simple. The Post settled. That's a de facto admission that they lost, or conceded defeat and awarded Sandman damages just to make it go away.
Of course they admitted no wrongdoing. That's pretty much a standard position the guilty party takes. Just because they don't admit what they (or their agent) did was a complete charlie foxtrot of monumental proportions, everyone knows that they screwed the pooch big time.
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Simple. The Post settled. That's a de facto admission that they lost, or conceded defeat and awarded Sandman damages just to make it go away.
So if they gave him $75 and a subscription for the year, is that still a win for Sandmann?
I don't think so. The amount matters.
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So if they gave him $75 and a subscription for the year, is that still a win for Sandmann?
I don't think so. The amount matters.
If he accepted the settlement, then yes it is. But I don't believe he would accept an offer like that; I think it would be insulting.
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If he accepted the settlement, then yes it is. But I don't believe he would accept an offer like that; I think it would be insulting.
Bingo.
"So if they gave him $75 and a subscription for the year, is that still a win for Sandmann?
I don't think so. The amount matters."
How about if we go on what Mr. Sandman himself said instead of rushing to assume that he's some stupid little punk who would be happy with a stick of chewed gum and a half used pencil eraser?
It's pretty clear from his statement the other day that he considers it to be a victory, so who are we to say that it was NOT a victory for him?
He's the one who gets to say "I made the Washington Post my BI***!
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Big media corps generally do NOT settle defamation lawsuits unless they're pretty sure they're going to lose. It's extremely difficult to win a defamation lawsuit for the plaintiff, and big media companies have a lot of lawyers to make it even harder. They have the means and a lot of incentive to fight these things tooth and nail.
If the Post is settling, it's because they know they'd get hammered if it ever got to trial.
That also means the settlement probably wasn't small.
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I wish I could recall where I saw it, but somebody pointed out Nick Sandmann is the highest-paid person at CNN or WaPo. :rofl:
Moar:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/heads-are-going-to-roll-nick-sandmanns-legal-team-threatens-new-action-against-cnn-washington-post-for-allegedly-violating-confidentiality-agreement
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I can see settling with one or two for a smaller amount to get the money to pay the lawyers to sue everyone else, but $25K is unlikely I think.
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Big media corps generally do NOT settle defamation lawsuits unless they're pretty sure they're going to lose. It's extremely difficult to win a defamation lawsuit for the plaintiff, and big media companies have a lot of lawyers to make it even harder. They have the means and a lot of incentive to fight these things tooth and nail.
If the Post is settling, it's because they know they'd get hammered if it ever got to trial.
That also means the settlement probably wasn't small.
Yeah, this.
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Big media corps generally do NOT settle defamation lawsuits unless they're pretty sure they're going to lose. It's extremely difficult to win a defamation lawsuit for the plaintiff, and big media companies have a lot of lawyers to make it even harder. They have the means and a lot of incentive to fight these things tooth and nail.
If the Post is settling, it's because they know they'd get hammered if it ever got to trial.
That also means the settlement probably wasn't small.
There's something even scarier, such that even if they thought they'd win at trial they might pay a lot to avoid:
"Discovery"
Although, I'm betting that's why they're sure they would lose...
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"I wish I could recall where I saw it, but somebody pointed out Nick Sandmann is the highest-paid person at CNN or WaPo. "
Stealing or Facebook!
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Another good thing that might come out of this: Mr Potatohead may be out at CNN for breaching the confidentiality clause of the CNN suit just so that he could make more disparaging remarks about Sandman.
https://twitchy.com/samj-3930/2020/07/27/sad-face-brian-stelter-accused-of-breaching-cnns-confidentiality-agreement-with-nick-sandmann-may-cost-him-his-job/
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He probably doesn't have much to worry about. FOX doesn't seem to have a problem hiring CNN alumni that have violated even their low standards.
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CNN hasn't had ethics in years so his job is safe.
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How about if we go on what Mr. Sandman himself said
His statements have been pretty vague. They probably have to be as part of the settlement (see Stelter being in hot water).
The statement from his attorney was, if anything, rather conciliatory:
"Nicholas Sandmann agreed to settle with the Post because the Post was quick to publish the whole truth—through its follow-up coverage and editor's notes," Sandmann's attorney, Todd McMurtry, said in an email. "The terms of the settlement are confidential"
It's pretty clear from his statement the other day that he considers it to be a victory, so who are we to say that it was NOT a victory for him?
No one here has said it was NOT a victory, I just think declaring it went one way or the other without knowing any of the details is foolish.
Calling the Washington Post "his BI***" would be a lot more convincing if he had received a public apology or significant amount of money or both.
Melania Trump settled for $3 million and a public apology after the Daily Mail insinuated she was a prostitute, if Sandmann had gotten that there would be no question it was a win.
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That is the level of settlement I assumed. It is enough to give him a little and pay the lawyers to pursue the other defendants. If they all settle for money like that, he is still comes out good.
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No one here has said it was NOT a victory
That is pretty standard I would assume but without any more info (like $$) how do we know who "won"?
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Do you think those two posts contradict each other?
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Do you think those two posts contradict each other?
Are you saying you weren't trying to downplay this as a non-victory for Nick?
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Are you saying you weren't trying to downplay this as a non-victory for Nick?
I'm saying (again) that we don't have enough information to know if this settlement was a victory or a non-victory or anything else.
I just think declaring it went one way or the other without knowing any of the details is foolish.
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I'm saying (again) that we don't have enough information to know if this settlement was a victory or a non-victory or anything else.
At minimum it was a PR victory. It may well have been a financial victory as well, but as you say we don't know that.
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"Since undertaking the representation of Richard Jewell, the security guard falsely accused of the 1996 bombing of Centennial Olympic Park, L. Lin Wood, P.C. has served as the nation’s go-to law firm for aggressively representing plaintiffs in defamation matters against media and other defendants. Our firm has handled some of the nation’s highest-profile defamation cases. There is no First Amendment lawyer more respected and feared than L. Lin Wood, described by former CBS anchor Dan Rather as “The Attorney for the Damned.”"
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I'm saying (again) that we don't have enough information to know if this settlement was a victory or a non-victory or anything else.
Then you are being purposefully obtuse.
As usual.
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Then you are being purposefully obtuse.
As usual.
I don't think you have enough information to know whether my supposed obtusity is purposeful, intentional, or natural. ;)
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I don't think you have enough information to know whether my supposed obtusity is purposeful, intentional, or natural. ;)
I am assuming natural until I see better information. =D
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I don't think you have enough information to know whether my supposed obtusity is purposeful, intentional, or natural. ;)
I vote institutional.
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Good God, they're still pushing the narrative on this.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1298430712681345025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
‘What I understood that day was returning hate with love’ — Native American activist Nathan Phillips is sharing the story behind his now-infamous confrontation with Covington High School student Nicholas Sandmann, who secured a speaking slot at the 2020 RNC pic.twitter.com/hVAgdzM5HI
— NowThis (@nowthisnews) August 26, 2020
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/25/nowthis-counters-nick-sandmanns-rnc-speech-with-a-video-about-nathan-philips-returning-hate-with-love/
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Good God, they're still pushing the narrative on this.
https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1298430712681345025?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2020/08/25/nowthis-counters-nick-sandmanns-rnc-speech-with-a-video-about-nathan-philips-returning-hate-with-love/
Probably because the Infamous Cheshire Cat of Racism is speaking at the RNC tonight.
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Of course they're pushing it.
You repeat a lie often enough and people start to believe it.
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Sounds like CNN wants to give the kid a pay raise.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-joe-lockhart-attacks-sandmann-as-snot-nose-entitled-kid-following-networks-defamation-suit
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Sounds like CNN wants to give the kid a pay raise.
https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnns-joe-lockhart-attacks-sandmann-as-snot-nose-entitled-kid-following-networks-defamation-suit
Can still remember when CNN was actually respected. That was a long long time ago.
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I think I just heard the sound of a bunch of SJWs choking on their herbal tea
Nicholas Sandmann hired by Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s campaign team
https://www.wave3.com/2020/08/29/nicholas-sandmann-hired-by-senate-majority-leader-mitch-mcconnells-campaign-team/
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I hope that the Rittenhouse deal is that once his lawyer is done with the criminal trial he gets to make his money on the civil side. The media needs the Sandmann treatment until it gets tired or goes broke. Example, NPR I listened to reported him "firing into the crowd."
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Example, NPR I listened to reported him "firing into the crowd."
Yes, I've seen that from several "news" organizations. They're all making him sound like the Las Vegas shooter.