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Demoralizing
« on: April 04, 2022, 03:37:25 PM »
Elon Musk has teased the idea that he might provide an alternative to Twitter, and there’s also been speculation he may simply buy it. Then it was reported that Musk did purchase enough shares to become the largest shareholder in that company.

No sooner did I hear that piece of news than I heard someone warn that Musk is just controlled opposition. “They” want us to put our hope in him, but don’t be fooled, I was warned. He’s just controlled opposition, like the rest of them. Just like Trump. Just like Zelensky and/or Putin. Just like everyone else that you might be tempted to put any hope in.

Is that true? I suppose it’s possible that Elon Musk might be a friendly face fooling flyover rubes, or he might really be going against the flow. Maybe Trump really bothered the elites, or maybe he was just an asset they used to run game against Americans. I guess any of these things are possible.

But what if Musk and Trump and Tucker and DeSantis, and anyone else people are warned not to get too excited about are the real deal? What if the real jobbing here is the effort to destroy any hope you might have? To sow distrust between you, and anyone you might be tempted to support?
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2022, 03:50:22 PM »
I have read that too. Also, after reading about Musk's acquisition, I checked out a cross-section of news sites, right to left. The left - especially far left - sites were all about Musk being either a crybaby who is doing this because twitter censored him, or else about Musk being a fascist trying to stifle free speech on twitter and allow hate speech. Obviously there is a dichotomy in the latter view.

I'm getting more and more into the "trust nobody" POV, but I do have some hope that Musk is what he claims - a free speech absolutionist. Or at least close enough to that so that I might support what he is doing.

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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2022, 03:54:18 PM »
I have read that too. Also, after reading about Musk's acquisition, I checked out a cross-section of news sites, right to left. The left - especially far left - sites were all about Musk being either a crybaby who is doing this because twitter censored him, or else about Musk being a fascist trying to stifle free speech on twitter and allow hate speech. Obviously there is a dichotomy in the latter view.

I'm getting more and more into the "trust nobody" POV, but I do have some hope that Musk is what he claims - a free speech absolutionist. Or at least close enough to that so that I might support what he is doing.

I don't trust Elon Musk. Not since that episode a few years ago when some kids were trapped in a cave by rising water in some far-away country. Musk made some ridiculous claims that he was going to build a submarine that would rescue the kids. It never happened. Meanwhile, some guy who knew a bit about caving and SCUBA went in and rescued the kids -- so Musk embarked on a campaign to trash-mouth the guy who saved the kids.
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2022, 04:18:57 PM »
I don't trust Elon Musk. Not since that episode a few years ago when some kids were trapped in a cave by rising water in some far-away country. Musk made some ridiculous claims that he was going to build a submarine that would rescue the kids. It never happened. Meanwhile, some guy who knew a bit about caving and SCUBA went in and rescued the kids -- so Musk embarked on a campaign to trash-mouth the guy who saved the kids.

I don't trust him either.  He's a vaporware salesman.  Loves to make grandiose statements and promises... then not deliver.  That's not to say he's never done anything; but as the core of it he's a rich guy who's job it is to keep in the news and keep interest up.  Marketing, press releases, managing perception.

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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2022, 04:48:22 PM »
Of course you lot don't trust Musk. The Demoralizing has captured you. You must now destroy any morale in anyone else who has any hope - in anyone - as you've been programmed to do. 
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2022, 05:09:31 PM »
He's the closest thing to a Hank Rearden in real life analogue that I've ever seen.

No, I don't have delusions that he is an Objectivist and/or a Libertarian.  He leans moderately left-libertarian from what I've tracked of him, with an odd mutualist/socialist lump here or there.  Such as his endorsement of UBI in the past.  Doesn't care for unions though, at all.

Didn't get along with Trump at all, doesn't get along with Biden now.  Gotta say, that's two positive checkmarks in his favor by my calculus.

He doesn't care what the industry insiders or government influence peddlers say can be done or should be done.  He does what he thinks should be done, and finds a market for it.  He respects both sides of the supply/demand equation.  I love SpaceX personally, and I hate Tesla personally.  But I can respect the fact that Musk believes in reducing carbon emissions, and as such looked at how to do so via the supply/demand curve.  It isn't very common for a perfectly good power plant to be shut down, so for new power plants to be built (even green ones) you have to have a change in grid demand.  If electric automobiles reduce demand for fossil fuels and increase demand for electricity, it's likely that a significant portion of that new grid supply will be green in some form.  Of course this completely ignores the result of the massive increase in lithium demand, and the ecological/sociological/political liabilities of all that.

The whole cave diving submarine thing was weird.  I didn't really follow it, there was something about Musk calling someone a pedophile, and promising to build a submarine.  Ultimately they got the kids out of the cave by drugging them to sleep and putting full face masks over them and passively handing them through the cave system by expert SCUBA search and rescue crews.  Whatever, I wasn't there.

Then there was the whole COVID respirator thing.  SpaceX did end up partnering with someone (I want to say Leidos) to build a lot more ventilators, but to the immediate skeptic's perspective there isn't a single Musk/SpaceX ventilator that was made.

All told, the guy is inspirational to a lot of people.  It's easy to get bogged down with how shitty government and regulations are.  This is a guy that just slogs through it though and it's apparent that his ideas rapidly outpace what government is prepared to handle.
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2022, 05:27:06 PM »
He's the closest thing to a Hank Rearden in real life analogue that I've ever seen.

This is kinda how I see him. He seems to be taking a very similar real life journey.
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2022, 08:24:50 PM »
He's a Bond villain, but he's the best Bond villain of the bunch.

I don't agree with him on everything, but I do more often than I don't, and I enjoy watching him *expletive deleted*ck up the status quo.  That and Tesla stock has made me a fair chunk of change.



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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2022, 01:54:29 AM »
Trust is a strange way to talk about it.  I am not pinning any hopes/dreams on the guy so trust is unnecessary. 

I just try to remember that the only person I will 100% agree with is me (sometimes).  As long as they are not authoritarian, we can find agreement and work from there. 
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2022, 09:20:20 AM »
Trust is a strange way to talk about it.  I am not pinning any hopes/dreams on the guy so trust is unnecessary. 
he's a rich guy who's job it is to keep in the news and keep interest up.  Marketing, press releases, managing perception.

Yeah, I'm not exactly sure in what way I would support or put my trust in him. He's not a candidate for office, he's a celebrity. I guess if his company provides a service or product that fits my need I would buy it but that's not really related to him or his media personality.
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2022, 10:01:26 AM »
He's a rich dude that put his money where his mouth is.
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2022, 05:29:33 PM »
Trust is a strange way to talk about it.  I am not pinning any hopes/dreams on the guy so trust is unnecessary. 

I just try to remember that the only person I will 100% agree with is me (sometimes).  As long as they are not authoritarian, we can find agreement and work from there.


No one's asking you to trust Musk. This isn't about Musk, except that most of you seem to be focusing on him. He's only an example.

The question is, when it looks like some prominent person is on your side, and someone else comes along to tell you they're faking it, how do you know which one's conning you? We're so accustomed to being betrayed, it's all too easy to divide us by just spreading FUD.
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2022, 07:13:13 PM »

No one's asking you to trust Musk. This isn't about Musk, except that most of you seem to be focusing on him. He's only an example.

The question is, when it looks like some prominent person is on your side, and someone else comes along to tell you they're faking it, how do you know which one's conning you? We're so accustomed to being betrayed, it's all too easy to divide us by just spreading FUD.

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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2022, 09:09:10 PM »
Perfection is the mortal enemy of pretty good.
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2022, 10:07:46 PM »
<yawn>

Yeah, let's remember that Communism/Leftism thrives on confusion, hate, discontent, economy-wrecking, lies, false flag operations, character assassination...

 Oh, but we knew all this....

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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2022, 02:07:46 AM »
Of course you lot don't trust Musk. The Demoralizing has captured you. You must now destroy any morale in anyone else who has any hope - in anyone - as you've been programmed to do.

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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2022, 01:05:40 PM »
I think I could happily work for him... He seems to have a clear direction, without a lot of the BS... I'm guessing that there aren't a lot of reports about reports about meetings being generated in his organizations...
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Re: Demoralizing
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2022, 01:30:54 PM »
[something I said earlier]

Hmmm? Yes?
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Re: Demoralizing
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« Reply #19 on: April 06, 2022, 04:25:20 PM »
That was a +1.

I was kind of channeling you when I said it.  :laugh:
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