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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: Monkeyleg on December 08, 2010, 05:33:19 PM
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Hollywood bigshot Aaron Sorkin apparently didn't like the episode of Sarah Palin's show that featured her doing some caribou hunting. Actually, he seems to have gone off the deep end in his blog on the Huffington Post (no surprise there).
Here's just a tidbit of his rant:
According to Sorkin, Palin’s love of caribou hunting is no different than Michael Vick’s penchant for dog fighting. “I can make the distinction between the two of us but I've tried and tried and for the life of me, I can't make a distinction between what you get paid to do and what Michael Vick went to prison for doing. I'm able to make the distinction with no pangs of hypocrisy even though I get happy every time one of you faux-macho **expletive deleted** accidentally shoots another one of you in the face,” he writes.
The rest of his whiney screed is here (http://blogs.abcnews.com/thenote/2010/12/abc-news-mary-bruce-and-john-berman-report-hollywood-screenwriter-aaron-sorkin-is-going-after-sarah-palin-with-guns-blaz.html).
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Hollywood bigshot Aaron Sorkin
WHO?
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WHO?
Exactly.
I'll bet his idea of "wildlife" is the animatronics critters at Disneyland.
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He could see the screen through the pot haze?
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“That was the first moose ever murdered for political gain
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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So he's happy when hunters are accidentally shot, yet he sits in judgment of Michael Vick (much less Sarah Palin). Well, at least he makes a fool of himself in public, so others don't need to do it for him. Like The Man might have said, he has his reward in full. :lol:
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Betcha he thinks food is made in a factory...
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The truth? He can't handle the truth.
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In another thread on APS, I was talking about how weird things gun-related are on Twitter. I'm also amazed at the number of people there who are saying they wish Palin would shoot herself while hunting.
Whyizzit okay for liberals to wish death on conservatives? It's a common theme with them, from Palin to Bush to Charlton Heston to Reagan and more.
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Sorkin was arrested for smoking crack and also was ( I think ) the creator of the West Wing TV show that was horribly liberal biased.
A: We do not eat dogs in the USA.
B: Sarah did not hang, torture, mutilate to death the Caribou.
C: She can beat Sorkin in an arm wrestling match anyway.
from www.imao.us
Transcript from Sarah Palin’s Alaska.
SARAH PALIN: “Hello! Welcome to Sarah Palin’s Alaska, the show where you get to see the beauty of Alaska while we brutalize all the wildlife in it.”
PIPER PALIN: “I found a bunny rabbit in our backyard. I punched it in the face.”
SARAH: “Isn’t she precious? I try to instill in my children the values I was taught such as not letting nature push you around.”
WILLOW PALIN: “Die fish! Die!”
SARAH: “Willow is demonstrating a common technique of repeatedly whacking a fish against a rock and then throwing its corpse back in the lake. This tells fish to stay out of our way. Of course, you don’t always do that by killing things. The other day I took my Glock and knee-capped a moose. When other moose see him lying there bleeding, they’ll know not to mess with the Palins. If only the lame-stream media were that smart.”
TODD PALIN: “The new piano is here.”
SARAH: “Oh. Good. We really needed a new piano because already cut all the wire out of the last one to make garrotes. Last one I used to strangle a grizzly bear; I’m the only mama grizzly in these parts. Anyway, let me show you the guest we have downstairs in the basement.”
AARON SORKIN: “You’re a crazy redneck! I hope you die!”
SARAH: “We don’t like this person, so we kidnapped, put him in our basement, and are now waterboarding him.”
SORKIN: “You crazy… gurgle…”
SARAH: “You may wonder if that’s legal, but remember we’re really far away. Like if this were a live show — which it isn’t — and you wanted to run to his rescue, it would take you hours by plane just to get here. Plus, we’re a very large state and you’ll never find me. So essentially I’m above the law.”
SORKIN: “I’ll tell you anything!”
SARAH: “I think I — and the American people — have made it pretty clear we don’t care to hear anything you liberals have to say.”
SORKIN: “Somebody help me!”
PIPER: “That man is funny. I’ll get more water.”
SARAH: “Well, tune in next week when we drive around in a jeep trying to knock the heads off a caribou with a baseball bat. That’s the way we do things in Alaska, and if any of you have a problem with, remember that no one in my family would bat an eye at killing you.”
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That's actually funny.
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Gunsmith, that's hilarious!
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Willow is demonstrating a common technique of repeatedly whacking a fish against a rock and then throwing its corpse back in the lake
Ridiculous ;/
They don't waste the meat - they eat them raw instead =D
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In another thread on APS, I was talking about how weird things gun-related are on Twitter. I'm also amazed at the number of people there who are saying they wish Palin would shoot herself while hunting.
Whyizzit okay for liberals to wish death on conservatives? It's a common theme with them, from Palin to Bush to Charlton Heston to Reagan and more.
Why? Don't know. But you're right; it is common:
"The man who, how do I phrase this diplomatically, who will put a bullet between
the president's eyes if he could get away with it."
- New York State Comptroller Alan Hevesi, on Chuck Schumer (during the GWB administration)
"Right now, I could kill George Bush."
- Betty Williams, Nobel Peace Prize winner, at the International Women's
Peace Conference, July 11, 2007
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I remember reading a post by someone who complained about hunting. The gist of it was that if you wanted meat why would you kill animals when you could just buy it at the store where they make meat. Perhaps that was Sorkin.
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Remember, liberals are not part of the natural order. They were born in the celestial ether and live out their lives in a holy bubble.
Sarah's embrace of the natural scares the bejesus out of liberals.
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Mmmm, fruitcakes. ;) (http://www.monasteryfruitcake.org/productsfruitcakes.asp)
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I love a good fruitcake, and I am really bummed there was none around the office this year. Usually, people get them as gifts and then bring them into the break room to try and get rid of them. I remain hopeful for next week, since maybe people are waiting until Christmas to open them.
http://www.gethsemanifarms.org/fruitcake.aspx the Kentucky bourbon fruitcake from this abbey is superb.
http://www.puddinhill.com/Pecan-Fruit-Cake-Round-3-Lb/productinfo/114/ Mary of Puddin Hill is considered excellent if you like a fruitcake with no alcohol. I found it kind of overly sweet and bland. They make a big point of having no spices, raisins or candied citrus peel, and I like all of those things.
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interesting, but for now i'm sticking with Holy Cross. >:D they're a little less then a state away, so i order on monday. and have my cake on wednesday. =D
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^^^ I read the ingredients and they look good. You can vouch for it?
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i like them, but that's not telling you much. =D pity your in the opposite corner of the country, across town and i would give you a slice.
hmm, it's mostly fruit, not much actual cake. much better than the door stops they sell in grocery stores. wish i could describe it better, i saw a site that had them all reviewed hold on a min. =D here's the page (http://www.mondofruitcake.com/2006/08/review-monastery-fruit-cake-holy-cross.html) i was reading when i chose them to try. it's not the authors favorite, but the things he found wrong with it, are the things i like. :laugh:
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Hollywood bigshot Aaron Sorkin apparently didn't like the episode of Sarah Palin's show that featured her doing some caribou hunting. Actually, he seems to have gone off the deep end in his blog on the Huffington Post (no surprise there).
I respect Sorkin as a talented writer notwithstanding his political bias and particularly his boneheaded and emotional anti-gun political position.
Watching the relevant part of episode 4, I don't like it either, for a completely different reason. Sarah shot at a caribou on a ridge with no visual of what's beyond the ridge. Unless they faked all the misses during editing, she continued shooting at the animal 4-5 times, completely missing every time, before she switched rifles... switching to one that had been sighted in, apparently.
"I've hunted with [my dad] all my life." And yet her dad seems intent on working the bolt action for her between shots? Give me a break. Are you Palin supporters so in love with her that you don't care whether her Alaskan sportswoman persona is fake? If this were a liberal going on a hunting trip everyone would be all over it, finding the most minuscule flaws in technique and safety rule violations.
What are Vegas odds on her vs Sorkin in arm wrestling?
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Politics is closed until after the New Year.
Chris
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By member request I'm re-opening this thread.
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I respect Sorkin as a talented writer notwithstanding his political bias and particularly his boneheaded and emotional anti-gun political position.
Watching the relevant part of episode 4, I don't like it either, for a completely different reason. Sarah shot at a caribou on a ridge with no visual of what's beyond the ridge.
What are Vegas odds on her vs Sorkin in arm wrestling?
1st, they flew into the area and scouted out the areas, I'm sure if they saw humans they wouldn't have shot in their direction ( unless of course they knew if they were like commies or something ) but They were more than likely the only people for hundres if not thousands of miles.
2nd Sarah can beat him with her weak arm.
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Watching the relevant part of episode 4, I don't like it either, for a completely different reason. Sarah shot at a caribou on a ridge with no visual of what's beyond the ridge.
More then likey MAMBA*
*with apologies to the Colonial British who coined the acronym for Miles and Miles of Bloody Africa.
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Are you Palin supporters so in love with her that you don't care whether her Alaskan sportswoman persona is fake? If this were a liberal going on a hunting trip everyone would be all over it, finding the most minuscule flaws in technique and safety rule violations.
Are Palin detractors so manic that they would abuse their powers to post in the political forum when it was closed? Or is that just tyme?
Oh. Looks like an honest mistake from both sides. Sorry.
The answer to the question, probably, is that most of Palin's supporters weren't watching the stupid show. I know I didn't.
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Are Palin detractors so manic that they would abuse their powers to post in the political forum when it was closed? Or is that just tyme?
There wasn't any abuse, Fistful. One member requested that this thread be opened again, since Politics was re-opened after New Years. I didn't see any reason why this thread should continue to be locked.
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There wasn't any abuse, Fistful. One member requested that this thread be opened again, since Politics was re-opened after New Years. I didn't see any reason why this thread should continue to be locked.
Tyme posted the day the politics forum was locked down. Doubtless to oppress Fistful. :P
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Tyme posted the day the politics forum was locked down.
I just looked, and you're right. Sneaky SOB, isn't he? ;)
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So did he post before or after the forum was closed?
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after, was while i was trying to edit a post. :laugh:
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After. Since he's an admin, the moratorium didn't effect him, so he didn't notice it. :laugh:
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Just for you Fistful: =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q58nTiZrJ0
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After. Since he's an admin, the moratorium didn't effect him, so he didn't notice it. :laugh:
If that is so, I shall retract my statement. Gladly. Twas a little disconcerting that no one else objected.
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If that is so, I shall retract my statement. Gladly. Twas a little disconcerting that no one else objected.
Well, a large plurality if the voices in my head were right there with you.
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I may at times be a communist sympathizer, but I don't like one-sided arguments and would never abuse forum capabilities to get in the last word.
I didn't delete my Xmas eve post because I had noticed my error far too late, well after mtnbkr had posted and closed the thread. I also figured the thread would be reopened eventually, or else I would have deleted my post anyway no matter how many people had already read it.
Fistful, I'm sorry, but you do realize that it's your fault I didn't notice the forum was closed, right? I hadn't watched the TV show until this thread piqued my interest in it.
@gunsmith, is scouting out areas from a plane (hours earlier at least) really an acceptable alternative for knowing what's beyond your target, even if it is the Alaskan wilderness? Regardless of how unlikely it is that anyone was beyond the ridge, there could have been, and based on the topography a bullet going over that ridge might land several ridges over, in an area that wouldn't even be visible from the ridge that caribou was on.
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Oh, OK. Consider my post redacted.
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Tyme have you ever been to Alaska ??
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No. Is knowing what's beyond your target not a reasonable safety precaution in Alaska because the probability of hitting something important is so low?
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No. Is knowing what's beyond your target not a reasonable safety precaution in Alaska because the probability of hitting something important is so low?
Well, you could hit Russia if you shot out your kitchen window.
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No. Is knowing what's beyond your target not a reasonable safety precaution in Alaska because the probability of hitting something important is so low?
I am mostly a "Four Rules All the Time, for Everybody" kinda guy. But, things out West are a little different. There are some places where there is NOBODY for a LONG, LONG WAYS. Meaning, "beyond any ballistic trajectory produced by any cartridge gun." Makes rural Iowa seem kinda crowded.
I would not have made such a shot most places, unless the locals thought it within the bounds of safety and local custom. And that is what I think can override the backstop rule. I'd have to have both fact (population densities), reason (densities so low as to round to zero), and local practices on the side of letting that particular rule slide. I have much respect for Cooper and his Rules have served me well. But I have not made a god out of him and he did not get the Four off Mount Sinai, written with the finger of God.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F2%2F27%2FAlaska_population_map.png&hash=9bee12ca9c2cb70f3cbedbb7f5c029eb5cff8081)
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fen%2F2%2F27%2FTexas_population_map.png&hash=4cdb50a4cb7ce9f9f2918ddb6fb66df0578af136)
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fupload.wikimedia.org%2Fwikipedia%2Fcommons%2F9%2F93%2FIowa_population_map.png&hash=0f3c363a1f43e0415d9c61b7689181dd2f23ecc2)
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Even the "less than one person per square mile" doesn't capture Alaska's lack of humans.
(https://armedpolitesociety.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pbs.org%2Fharriman%2Fimages%2Fcentury%2Fgaz_map_pop_lg.jpg&hash=b2181aff5bebaa7d6aa07b431c0e509c5fe8c0a4)
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Roo_ster definitely gets points for reply research. ;)
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And for a further sense of scale if Alaska were set with a fair average of it's southern extremities in Texas, the northern tip would be in South Dakota/Wyoming or Minnesota.
http://www.usmarshals.gov/district/ak/images/alaska-small.gif
Were it independent, Alaska would be the 18th largest country in the world by square miles/kilometers/area.
My understanding about the number of shots Sarah took was that her relative fell on his rifle, ruined the scope's zero. Once she was handed a different rifle, she made the shot on the first try.
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Seward's home is a 3 minute walk from here. Auburn is kind of proud of Alaska.
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I'm not faulting her for missing. Obviously using a rifle that hadn't had its scope jarred out of alignment would be a plus, but that wasn't her fault, and she might have missed even with a sighted-in rifle.
Unusual, unexpected events happen. The four rules were not handed down by God, but they exist so that in the worst case, not just in the average case, nobody gets hurt. In the worst case, Palin might have hit someone, picked up a negligent homicide conviction, and would have been finished as the right-wing's media darling. If that had happened, would it have been worth it just to get a clip of a caribou silhouetted against the sky as she took several shots?
How many people do you think watched that episode and didn't consider the backstop issue? The risk that she might have killed someone is entirely Palin's problem, but beyond that it sets a bad example.
There are some places where there is NOBODY for a LONG, LONG WAYS
There is PROBABLY nobody for miles, but that doesn't change the fact that if there happens to be someone out there, and you hit them, you've committed a crime, and that's what the backstop awareness rule is designed to prevent.
It wouldn't even have to be a human out there. What if she'd hit and wounded another animal, leaving it in agony for hours or days before it died? And she probably wouldn't have even known. For all we know, that could have happened.
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plus there is editing, probably makes for uninteresting TV to show them applying the four rules each and every shot. I'm sure they knew no one was there, other parts of the show where they are using guns they have made the safety points so I'm guessing the part where they glassed the outback was edited out for time/interesting show considerations.
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plus there is editing, probably makes for uninteresting TV to show them applying the four rules each and every shot. I'm sure they knew no one was there, other parts of the show where they are using guns they have made the safety points so I'm guessing the part where they glassed the outback was edited out for time/interesting show considerations.
Good point. I'm sure the producers aren't keen on being sued for negligence.
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So the theory is that there was a lookout -- downrange (!) -- making sure nobody else was downrange? Or is the theory that they had a helicopter surveilling the area at the time?
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No, Tyme, my theory is that Sarah Palin is an absolute fake, that she knows nothing about hunting or camping or even raising children, that she's just a creation of the Republican Party (or even the Tea Party). Maybe she's just a hologram.
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No they were somewhere where they were pretty damn sure that there was no one for miles near where they were hunting.
If you've ever been to Alaska and left the Anchorage area you'll now what it means.
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Dumb, non-hunter question:
I'm all for checking backstops, but how can hunters ever be all that certain there's no one downrange, when they're in the middle of the woods? How can they be certain, when the area behind one's target is gob-smackingly vast?
This is not a defense of Palin. Just a question from a non-hunter.
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Dumb, non-hunter question:
I'm all for checking backstops, but how can hunters ever be all that certain there's no one downrange, when they're in the middle of the woods? How can they be certain, when the area behind one's target is gob-smackingly vast?
This is not a defense of Palin. Just a question from a non-hunter.
Ideally, you would be able to see the ground behind your target.
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No, Tyme, my theory is that Sarah Palin is an absolute fake, that she knows nothing about hunting or camping or even raising children, that she's just a creation of the Republican Party (or even the Tea Party). Maybe she's just a hologram.
I wish she was a hologram.
Then someday I might be able to get a bootleg copy of her on BitTorrent or something someday. >:D
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Dumb, non-hunter question:
I'm all for checking backstops, but how can hunters ever be all that certain there's no one downrange, when they're in the middle of the woods? How can they be certain, when the area behind one's target is gob-smackingly vast?
This is not a defense of Palin. Just a question from a non-hunter.
Generally for deer hunting you're in a tree stand shooting at a downward angle, so the ground is your backstop. If your hunting at ground level, then you make sure that you have a good back stop. (most the time you're in a wooded are that's somewhat hilly. The other way is if it's not hilly (able to the terrain as a backstop), depending on how wooded the area is, lots and lots of trees can also make a backstop.
You generally don't shoot at an animal that is silhouetted on a ridge or hilltop. However in some areas (like Alaska) where there's nothing/no one behind that ridge, then you might take the shot.
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Dumb, non-hunter question:
I'm all for checking backstops, but how can hunters ever be all that certain there's no one downrange, when they're in the middle of the woods? How can they be certain, when the area behind one's target is gob-smackingly vast?
This is not a defense of Palin. Just a question from a non-hunter.
When I hunt with firearm that shoots a solid projectile I try to set myself up in a situation where my bullet will go into a hill behind the target. Even when I hunted in WY this fall all the shots I took had a hill behind them as a backstop. Doesn't take much of a hill as a backstop.
My main hunting rifle is a Model 70 Win in .300 Win Mag and I have it zeroed for 200 yards, in theory the bullet should be hitting the ground before 600 yards if I am shooting straight ahead. When I deer hunt in Iowa I use a shotgun shooting slugs and they hit the dirt about 350 yards, this I have witnessed first hand.
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Having watched the hunting segment and now more of her show where she handled firearms, I don't think she has much experience with either.
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Having watched the hunting segment and now more of her show where she handled firearms, I don't think she has much experience with either.
Is she a Gun nut like most of us here, no. But, she's at least on our side, and more women are looking at the shooting sports (hunting included) then before because of her. I've had several women sign up for our Firearm Safety Clinics because of Sarah.
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Is she a Gun nut like most of us here, no. But, she's at least on our side, and more women are looking at the shooting sports (hunting included) then before because of her. I've had several women sign up for our Firearm Safety Clinics because of Sarah.
She's the only one professional enough to shoot that caribou =D
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Is she a Gun nut like most of us here, no. But, she's at least on our side, and more women are looking at the shooting sports (hunting included) then before because of her. I've had several women sign up for our Firearm Safety Clinics because of Sarah.
She can out shoot B.O ( I betcha! )