Post by: Physics on October 01, 2008, 04:25:43 PM
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We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've gotta have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded.
I figure you guys would get a kick out of this.
Post by: Headless Thompson Gunner on October 01, 2008, 04:28:48 PM
Post by: nico on October 01, 2008, 04:48:06 PM
Or, maybe he's saying he'll get rid of the NFA
Post by: Boomhauer on October 01, 2008, 06:14:25 PM
This, however, has been out there a while...but it is good to remind people of it.
Post by: wideym on October 01, 2008, 07:27:40 PM
Post by: taurusowner on October 01, 2008, 08:47:54 PM
Socialists and their like always have a secret police/security force. After all, can't root out dissent without it.
This, however, has been out there a while...but it is good to remind people of it.
This, however, has been out there a while...but it is good to remind people of it.
You make a very very good point. Obama's got a lot of the tell-tale signs; the hero worship, the lofty goals and speeches, the image of a uniter, and the darker past that his devoted are willing to ignore. That video of the singing children shows us that we are experiencing something in American politics that has previously not been seen here. The cult of personality, the devotion to a person instead of to a set of beliefs, like the Constitution, has been seen before. And it never ends well. Serious bloodshed is usually to follow.
He has most of the signs. But as of now, he has no teeth. He has no Party, no brown-shirts. Once he grows some, the game will be afoot.
Post by: Fly320s on October 02, 2008, 04:49:04 AM
Maybe he hopes the first aircraft carrier dedicated to the peoples stuggle will be named the "Comrade Obama".
Oooo... I see a funding grant for the SS APS.
Post by: GigaBuist on October 02, 2008, 07:23:08 AM
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The cult of personality, the devotion to a person instead of to a set of beliefs, like the Constitution, has been seen before.
Like every election since... oh... at least since we've had television.Look, 20 or 30 kids singing about Obama doesn't make the guy Hitler reborn.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 02, 2008, 07:24:39 AM
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The cult of personality, the devotion to a person instead of to a set of beliefs, like the Constitution, has been seen before.
Like every election since... oh... at least since we've had television.Look, 20 or 30 kids singing about Obama doesn't make the guy Hitler reborn.
Not Hitler. Mao.
Post by: FTA84 on October 02, 2008, 10:05:55 AM
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We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've gotta have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded. A force of security, for you, for me, for the mothers, the fathers, the children and for our nation! A force to employ the unemployed, to protect the discriminated and to assist the single mothers. We must not let John McCain continue on George Bush's path of security only for wall street! We cannot afford four more years without this force of forces![color]
Post by: doncol on October 02, 2008, 07:55:32 PM
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The cult of personality, the devotion to a person instead of to a set of beliefs, like the Constitution, has been seen before.
Like every election since... oh... at least since we've had television.Look, 20 or 30 kids singing about Obama doesn't make the guy Hitler reborn.
Maybe not reborn yet, but their working on it.
Post by: wquay on October 03, 2008, 01:40:39 AM
I often read Obama quotes and have no idea what the hell he is proposing. What is a civilian national security force? What would he like it to do? He never says these things, he just says feel good crap. For example, let me finish this quote:
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We cannot continue to rely only on our military in order to achieve the national security objectives that we've set. We've gotta have a civilian national security force that's just as powerful, just as strong, just as well funded. A force of security, for you, for me, for the mothers, the fathers, the children and for our nation! A force to employ the unemployed, to protect the discriminated and to assist the single mothers. We must not let John McCain continue on George Bush's path of security only for wall street! We cannot afford four more years without this force of forces![color]
Force of forces? Haha
Sometimes Obama seems to have his head in the clouds... or maybe he's just high.
Post by: Manedwolf on October 03, 2008, 03:04:52 AM
I can guarantee that if it were, a lot of good people would sign up as a safety measure, and frag the hell out of any brownshirts if they decided to do something bad to innocent people.
I think we're safe, there.
Post by: buzz_knox on October 03, 2008, 04:02:03 AM
It certainly wouldn't be an armed security force of Obamaites, that's for sure.
I can guarantee that if it were, a lot of good people would sign up as a safety measure, and frag the hell out of any brownshirts if they decided to do something bad to innocent people.
I think we're safe, there.
I can guarantee that if it were, a lot of good people would sign up as a safety measure, and frag the hell out of any brownshirts if they decided to do something bad to innocent people.
I think we're safe, there.
I think a couple incidents like that would guarantee that the Obamaites would be armed and given almost carte blanche to do as they would under new "security" mandates. In fact, I'd say the Dems wouldn't mind seeing a couple incidents like that just to prove the need for both the security force and heavier restrictions on everything from guns to right wing radio (who surely gave such "good people" the idea).
Post by: Manedwolf on October 03, 2008, 04:08:50 AM
It certainly wouldn't be an armed security force of Obamaites, that's for sure.
I can guarantee that if it were, a lot of good people would sign up as a safety measure, and frag the hell out of any brownshirts if they decided to do something bad to innocent people.
I think we're safe, there.
I can guarantee that if it were, a lot of good people would sign up as a safety measure, and frag the hell out of any brownshirts if they decided to do something bad to innocent people.
I think we're safe, there.
I think a couple incidents like that would guarantee that the Obamaites would be armed and given almost carte blanche to do as they would under new "security" mandates. In fact, I'd say the Dems wouldn't mind seeing a couple incidents like that just to prove the need for both the security force and heavier restrictions on everything from guns to right wing radio (who surely gave such "good people" the idea).
You're missing my point. The "good people" would sign UP with them to keep an eye on them and stop them from within if needed. Why I mentioned a "frag".
It's hard to be a stormtrooper when you have to watch your back among your own forces.
Hence, I don't think that will ever come to pass.
Post by: buzz_knox on October 03, 2008, 04:20:10 AM
You're missing my point. The "good people" would sign UP with them to keep an eye on them and stop them from within if needed. Why I mentioned a "frag".
It's hard to be a stormtrooper when you have to watch your back among your own forces.
Hence, I don't think that will ever come to pass.
It's hard to be a stormtrooper when you have to watch your back among your own forces.
Hence, I don't think that will ever come to pass.
Every "stormtrooper" in history has had to watch his back. Whether it was the SA, SS, Khymer Rouge, NKVD, KGB, Stasi, Securitatia, etc, every member has known that a subordinate trying to gain power or a superior in a moment of pique could be (and often was the end of them).
Fear of the public or of internal dissent has never eliminated an oppressive force; it's only strengthened. The answer to "good people protecting the innocent" is making sure said good people are on the front lines oppressing the innocent. Once they've ground their jack boots into a face or two, they become what they hate in their own eyes or the eyes of the people. It's hard to say "I'm on your side" to a person whose father or mother you helped eliminate.