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Title: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on April 02, 2023, 03:13:15 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/environment/long-dormant-lake-reappeared-california-bringing-havoc-rcna75942

This just in -- a lake bed has filled with water -- just as it has done for centuries. CLIMATE CHAAAAAAANGE!!!

I'm sure I would feel differently if I lived there -- but I don't, and I wouldn't, because in my neanderthal mentality building in a flood plain is dumb. Back in the early 1970s I took a graduate-level course in planning, in which the instructor correctly noted that everybody competes to build infrastructure (roads, railroads, houses, factories, and towns) where it's easiest to do so. And it just happens that the easiest place is more often than not the flood plans, because they are generally fairly flat and level.

But once you put infrastructure in a flood plain, you then have to deal with -- [drumroll, please] -- flooding.

The only real surprise here is that anyone is surprised that a LAKE is filling up with water when snow in its watershed area melts.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on April 02, 2023, 03:26:20 PM
We just broke a record from 1899: most consecutive days below 60deg. It was 150 days, and we're at I think 154 right now. Which means the same thing happened for pretty much the same amount of time, in 1899. As well as many other years between then and now. Mentioning the years with ~145 days doesn't contribute to the OMG! stories though.

Weather is weather. Climate is climate. Earth Abides.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: HankB on April 02, 2023, 04:06:52 PM
Some things you really can't control, but each time I moved, I checked out the area and verified where the flood plains were. Likewise "known" underground pipelines and possible "right of ways" for roads and railroads.

I didn't build or buy in several places because of this type of uncertainty. There's a very large dam nearby, and I made sure that not only am I upstream, I'm WELL above (actually, over 100 ft above) the level of the dam spillway.

It would seem from the story that many Californians didn't do similar due diligence.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on April 03, 2023, 11:14:37 AM
So what I take away from it is:
-less pistachios and almonds.  OK, fine.
-those farms are under water, so they will not be consuming water from the Colorado River.
-the land under these farms has subsided nearly 30 feet due to drinking out the aquifers.  One might hope that a good bit of this flood water will recharge the aquifers in the region.
-there will be considerable silt migration.  In some ways a fast moving flood could strip top soil away and ruin farmland, but silt deposit could also reinvigorate farmland.


Seems to me California is missing a huge opportunity here.  It's time to re-establish Tulare lake.  Turn it into a reservoir and be a good custodian of its drainage and capacities.  If Tulare lake used to be the largest fresh water body west of the Mississippi and existed naturally, what numb *expletive deleted*ck decided to drain it, then turn it into farmland, and irrigate it from a sandstone riverbed 200 miles away (Lakes Mead and Havasu and the Colorado River)?

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RocketMan on April 03, 2023, 05:15:15 PM
Seems to me California is missing a huge opportunity here.  It's time to re-establish Tulare lake.  Turn it into a reservoir and be a good custodian of its drainage and capacities.

This would lessen the California state government's ability to claim they are in a major drought the next time there is string of sunny days.  Got to have as many crises as possible to beat down their subjects.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on April 03, 2023, 05:18:34 PM
Commiefornia has long had more of a water storage problem than a water shortage problem.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on April 03, 2023, 05:23:28 PM
Commiefornia has long had more of a water storage problem than a water shortage problem.

Exactly right. I forget the name of the project, but it was a single reservoir/dam, that had it been built, would have made every drought since a nothingburger. The proposal was even backed by Gov Moonbeam during his first stint back in 1975. The enviros still killed it.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: 230RN on May 29, 2023, 01:56:25 PM
What climate change?  Is this one different from the last four climate swings we've had in the past half million years?

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on May 29, 2023, 02:27:00 PM
What climate change?  Is this one different from the last four climate swings we've had in the past half million years?

As one of the few here that would remember those what is your opinion?
 :old:

 :rofl:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on May 29, 2023, 03:08:30 PM
Quote from: 230RN
What climate change?  Is this one different from the last four climate swings we've had in the past half million years?

My answer is "No." The problem is that they confuse "climate change" with "climate."

When people start lecturing me about "climate change," I ask if they know how Greenland got its name. They don't of course. When I point out that the Vikings called it "Greenland" because it was, like, green, and that the Vikings had lived an agrarian society on Greenland from around 900 A.D. to around 1400 A.D. -- they get glassy eyed. When I mention that the Vikings finally abandoned Greenland because it got too cold, their brains lock up.

When it gets too hot to farm on Greenland, come talk to me about global warmulating.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on May 29, 2023, 03:09:52 PM
What climate change?  Is this one different from the last four climate swings we've had in the past half million years?



As one of the few here that would remember those what is your opinion?
 :old:

 :rofl:

In the 1970s its was global cooling that was going to kill us.
By the 1990s it was global warming that was now going to kill us.
Does that count?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on June 03, 2023, 12:04:28 PM
John Kerry says US farmers must radically transform food production to meet 'net zero' emissions goals by 2030
https://thepostmillennial.com/john-kerry-says-us-farmers-must-radically-transform-food-production-to-meet-net-zero-emissions-goals-by-2030
Some quotable stuff in this OpEd, but not sure how much. 

I did see this down toward the bottom.
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During his talk, Kerry thanked his "buddy" Tom Vilsack, Secretary of Agriculture, who also pioneered plans to prioritize federal agriculture loans based on race and moved to withdraw school lunch funding from school districts that didn't allow male students to use girls' bathrooms and locker rooms. Vilsak defended his race-based approach to funding farmers by saying, essentially, that discriminating against white farmers in the present is a way to correct discrimination against black farmers in the past. A court disagreed.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on June 03, 2023, 02:09:27 PM
John Kerry says US farmers must radically transform food production to meet 'net zero' emissions goals by 2030
https://thepostmillennial.com/john-kerry-says-us-farmers-must-radically-transform-food-production-to-meet-net-zero-emissions-goals-by-2030
Some quotable stuff in this OpEd, but not sure how much. 

I did see this down toward the bottom.

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"15 million people are dying every single year around this planet as a consequence of greenhouse gas emissions," Kerry continued.

Source and methodology, Mr Kerry?

If laws were passed to force this through in major countries (except for Russia, China, and India, of course), I can't help but wonder if we won't be getting all our food via African child slave labor, just like with cobalt and rare earths.

No mining in the US because NIMBY.
No food production in the US because NIMBY.
No petroleum production in the US because NIMBY.
No pharmaceutical production in the US because we're idiots.

We will be held hostage via outsourcing.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: 230RN on June 03, 2023, 03:36:00 PM
Source and methodology, Mr Kerry?

If laws were passed to force this through in major countries (except for Russia, China, and India, of course), I can't help but wonder if we won't be getting all our food via African child slave labor, just like with cobalt and rare earths.

No mining in the US because NIMBY.
No food production in the US because NIMBY.
No petroleum production in the US because NIMBY.
No pharmaceutical production in the US because we're idiots.

We will be held hostage via outsourcing.

Seems to me there are factions in the U.S. dedicated to forcing us into Third World status. Their motivations are unclear to me.

Terry, 230RN
"Actually, you're much safer with me with a gun than you are with me without a gun."
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: K Frame on June 03, 2023, 03:37:36 PM
"John Kerry says US farmers must radically transform food production to meet 'net zero' emissions goals by 2030"

In other words, for wokeness, equity, and environment, farmers must:

1. Stop growing as much food as they do.

2. Stop selling food to white racist fascist devils.

3. Let nature take its course.

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on June 03, 2023, 09:06:19 PM
Related

The US is among the cleanest. "Shocking" I know.

World's most polluted countries REVEALED - and the worst might surprise you…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12144455/Worlds-polluted-countries-REVEALED-worst-surprise-you.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/01/13/71652039-12144455-image-m-5_1685623095649.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/01/14/71652803-12144455-image-m-9_1685624876858.jpg)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Perd Hapley on June 03, 2023, 10:38:42 PM
The Governator wants to rebrand climate change into pollution.

https://www.thewrap.com/arnold-schwarzenegger-rebrand-climate-change-pollution/

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: JTHunter on June 03, 2023, 10:48:20 PM
Source and methodology, Mr Kerry?

If laws were passed to force this through in major countries (except for Russia, China, and India, of course), I can't help but wonder if we won't be getting all our food via African child slave labor, just like with cobalt and rare earths.

No mining in the US because NIMBY.
No food production in the US because NIMBY.
No petroleum production in the US because NIMBY.
No pharmaceutical production in the US because we're idiots.

 :rofl:  =D Good one !
We will be held hostage via outsourcing.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on June 04, 2023, 01:44:42 AM
Related

The US is among the cleanest. "Shocking" I know.

World's most polluted countries REVEALED - and the worst might surprise you…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12144455/Worlds-polluted-countries-REVEALED-worst-surprise-you.html


What's polluting Greenland?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: HankB on June 04, 2023, 09:25:02 AM
What's polluting Greenland?
Campfires made with dried musk ox and polar bear dung.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on June 04, 2023, 10:29:18 AM
I was thinking some of it in Africa might be dust and dry conditions, but I imagine some of these countries have dirtier fuel, poor engine emissions standards for vehicles and small engines, low standards for the bigger factories and power stations as well.  I guess that adds up.  Judging by the article, I am not sure if this study sought to determine the cause of the particulate at all. 

When I did the emissions reporting for a small plant some years ago, we had to report particulate emissions for every emissions point.  You expect it for the exhaust stacks, but it also is reported for stuff like steam vents on deaerators and the cooling towers which are largely just water vapor.  Chemicals are added to steam systems and cooling water systems to prevent corrosion and that stuff ends up going out the vent. 
I figure most of our improvement is motor vehicle emissions standards and cleaner fuel. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on June 04, 2023, 04:17:28 PM
What's polluting Greenland?

All those igloo fireplaces, it's cold there  :P

Believe that's a measurement of the air pollution experience by the populous. The majority of Greenland pop is probably concentrated in just a few small areas thus concentrating the population experienced by that pop which drives the numbers up.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 04, 2023, 05:11:54 PM
GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !

Just choose whatever animal you wish, look for its droppings, and you have just found the truth of this.  :old:

Woody
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2023, 08:18:23 AM
Probably related from the NIMBY perspective and alternative energy:

Just saw on the teevee that China controls 44% of world lithium production and the US controls 2%.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RocketMan on June 08, 2023, 08:26:28 AM
Probably related from the NIMBY perspective and alternative energy:

Just saw on the teevee that China controls 44% of world lithium production and the US controls 2%.

I think this is because our fed.gov is currently doing its very best to discourage and even prevent resource extraction.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: HankB on June 08, 2023, 10:03:35 AM
I think this is because our fed.gov is currently doing its very best to discourage and even prevent resource extraction.
Quite correct. Recent attempts to turn this around and resume mining seem to have generated more paperwork than mineral resources. Makes you wonder how much money the CCP is funneling into the hands of the environmental bureaucracy or other useful idiots.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2023, 10:06:16 AM
The TV segment I saw wasn't even about mining within a country's own territory. It was control of the resource globally. China seems to have a lock on lithium, cobalt, and the rare earths in Africa and elsewhere.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2023, 10:10:44 AM
IF sodium and/or silica or similar batteries work out the lithium market will crash hard. Note the if
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on June 08, 2023, 10:22:43 AM
IF sodium and/or silica or similar batteries work out the lithium market will crash hard. Note the if

It'll have to be on the scale of something like matches wiping out rubbing two sticks together to start a fire.

Woody
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on June 08, 2023, 11:13:44 AM
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Seems to me California is missing a huge opportunity here.  It's time to re-establish Tulare lake.  Turn it into a reservoir and be a good custodian of its drainage and capacities.  If Tulare lake used to be the largest fresh water body west of the Mississippi and existed naturally, what numb *expletive deleted*ck decided to drain it, then turn it into farmland, and irrigate it from a sandstone riverbed 200 miles away (Lakes Mead and Havasu and the Colorado River)?
Even if they didn't turn the entire area into a reservoir, it ought to occur to someone that digging a big reservoir out of part of the area would go a long way to solving their water problems.  I would think Arizona and Nevada would start making that point very loud and clear considering their water shortages. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on June 08, 2023, 11:42:58 AM
Even if they didn't turn the entire area into a reservoir, it ought to occur to someone that digging a big reservoir out of part of the area would go a long way to solving their water problems. 

Dams and reservoirs DID occur to many people, including Old Man Governor Brown and also Gov Brown JR during both his terms. These guys were big democrats and they still got kiboshed by the enviros, hippies, Sierra Club, etc.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RocketMan on June 08, 2023, 12:55:22 PM
Dams and reservoirs DID occur to many people, including Old Man Governor Brown and also Gov Brown JR during both his terms. These guys were big democrats and they still got kiboshed by the enviros, hippies, Sierra Club, etc.

And the current government in California would never allow it.  They are actively aiding and abetting water shortages.  It's a method of control.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on June 08, 2023, 07:28:26 PM
In case you didn't get the memo

Quote
    We choked on our own air today.

    We wiped soot off our countertops.

    We rushed our children to ERs and cancelled picnics and called up morgues to cart off our dead.

    Welcome to the future. pic.twitter.com/hJpCxPYbcT

    — Climate Defiance (@ClimateDefiance) June 8, 2023
Climate Defiance reminds us how we called up morgues to cart off our dead yesterday
https://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2023/06/08/climate-defiance-reminds-us-how-we-called-up-morgues-to-cart-off-our-dead-yesterday/

(https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/montypython/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail/gif/BtURqAvoiznM.gif)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on June 08, 2023, 11:48:28 PM
 New England's "Dark Day." May 19, 1780
The History Guy posted this only a couple weeks ago.
https://youtu.be/EPQz9FpdOrw

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On May 19, 1780, Historian Thomas Campanella explains, “A preternatural gloom settled upon the New England landscape, and by noon the sun had been all but blotted from the sky.” New England’s “Dark Day”  was read as an omen, even, perhaps, as the biblical end of days.  But the question has persisted for nearly two and a half centuries- what could have blotted out the Sun?

This may have happened before!!?  The hell you say!   :O
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on June 10, 2023, 07:12:39 AM
Remember the plans they starting hatching in the 70s to warm the earth because we were all going to freeze to death.

EXCLUSIVE: Is THIS the solution to global warming? Scientist claims we should MOVE the Earth away from the sun - here's how his wacky idea could really work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12165975/Is-solution-global-warming-Scientist-claims-Earth-away-sun.html
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: 230RN on June 11, 2023, 04:42:44 AM
Related

The US is among the cleanest. "Shocking" I know.

World's most polluted countries REVEALED - and the worst might surprise you…
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-12144455/Worlds-polluted-countries-REVEALED-worst-surprise-you.html

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/01/13/71652039-12144455-image-m-5_1685623095649.jpg)

(https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2023/06/01/14/71652803-12144455-image-m-9_1685624876858.jpg)

Those maps aren't very significant to me.  They're mixing / allowing too many variables into the results, including level of medical care and population density and household air conditioning (or lack thereof) and who knows what the hell else.
 
Greeenland should not be a surprise.  If you have a population of two, and one dies of particulate damage (like powdered snow), voila!, you have a 50% death rate.  I'm not really just joking here, but presenting an example of possibilities for statistical hokeyage. (I just now invented that word.)

What I do see is "hot and dry" = 'high particulate levels," and "hot and dry" = "equatorial-temperate regions."  The Sahara, I am told, is a terrific generator of dust pollution in the region.

Terry, 230RN
"Actually, you're much safer with me with a gun than you are with me without a gun."
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on June 12, 2023, 09:34:15 AM
Remember the plans they starting hatching in the 70s to warm the earth because we were all going to freeze to death.

EXCLUSIVE: Is THIS the solution to global warming? Scientist claims we should MOVE the Earth away from the sun - here's how his wacky idea could really work
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12165975/Is-solution-global-warming-Scientist-claims-Earth-away-sun.html
I remember an old SciFi short story like that.  Seems like this is not a global warming solution.  This is a "the sun is expanding" solution a good ways into the future.  We have a little time to think about it.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on June 15, 2023, 10:32:38 AM
The TV segment I saw wasn't even about mining within a country's own territory. It was control of the resource globally. China seems to have a lock on lithium, cobalt, and the rare earths in Africa and elsewhere.

In case you want to know where a lot of China's lithium is going
It's sitting in fields of abandoned EVs

China is Throwing Away Fields of Electric Cars - Letting them Rot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on June 15, 2023, 12:39:06 PM
In case you want to know where a lot of China's lithium is going
It's sitting in fields of abandoned EVs

China is Throwing Away Fields of Electric Cars - Letting them Rot!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SEfwoqKRU8
I want to guess the reason was someone was told to make them and was never told to stop regardless of whether or not someone wanted them.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on June 15, 2023, 12:40:28 PM
I have heard that Tesla just throws their spent Lithium batteries into a pit due to the cost of recycling. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on July 05, 2023, 05:26:08 PM
MSM is reporting we just had the hottest day ever in history
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on July 10, 2023, 11:50:41 AM
Ep096 CO2 Benefits / Cranky Climate Deniers / Social Control -Kosmographia -Randall Carlson Podcast
The Randall Carlson
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLy2mLOEQoU

Randall Carlson talks about the plant carbon cycle and studies showing the benefits of elevated CO2 to plant growth.  It is 2 hours, but might be good information if you haven't seen this info before. 

He also mentioned something that has come up before.  CO2's ability to trap heat declines significantly as the concentration goes up to the point that additional CO2 does not significantly increase trapped heat. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on July 12, 2023, 06:04:23 PM
Meanwhile

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    BIDEN on CLIMATE CHANGE: "It's real! It's serious! We don't have a lot of time! It's the single greatest threat to humanity!" pic.twitter.com/mzHYePilO5
    — Townhall.com (@townhallcom) July 12, 2023

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    Totally Unreal and all for Optics, of course! A Spanish minister uses a private jet to attend the Climate conference. A few meters before the venue, she gets out of her limo and gets on a bicycle, as her security cars follow her. 🙄🤡

    Channel: @JFK_TV pic.twitter.com/2NrxjbOpWo
    — Teagan1776🇺🇸 (@Teagan1776) July 12, 2023

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    Biden (who arrived on a 747 jet) is whisked away from the Helsinki airport in a motorcade spanning nearly two dozen vehicles (which were flown in on gigantic cargo planes).

    Just hours ago, Biden called climate change "the single greatest threat to humanity." pic.twitter.com/uZBTL0EUL8
    — RNC Research (@RNCResearch) July 12, 2023
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/07/12/this-was-the-scene-after-biden-called-climate-change-the-greatest-threat-humanity-faces-n2385335
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on July 25, 2023, 09:52:24 AM
A couple videos talking about wind turbine waste.

This video just shows a pile of wind generator blades dumped somewhere. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQicWEp9P-s

This video talks about recycling options.  Talks about a company trying to grind them down to make cement.  Not used in the cement, but to burn it. 
Another guy talks about reusing blades.  The pictures of the uses are laughable (after 6 minutes).  Seems like desparate, wishful thinking.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knX7NkJILhs
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on July 27, 2023, 03:17:59 PM
Global warming has officially ended. As per the UN, we are now in GLOBAL BOILING!!!!!!!!!!

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/07/27/united-nations-chief-declares-era-of-global-warming-over-kindly-panic-at-the-replacement-term-n2385781
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on July 28, 2023, 09:44:57 AM
Global warming has officially ended. As per the UN, we are now in GLOBAL BOILING!!!!!!!!!!

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/07/27/united-nations-chief-declares-era-of-global-warming-over-kindly-panic-at-the-replacement-term-n2385781
Said in July. 

I will make the bold prediction that average temperatures will get lower in the next 6 months (at least in the Northern Hemisphere).  I know it goes against the grain, but I am confident it will happen.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on July 28, 2023, 09:46:53 AM
Said in July. 

I will make the bold prediction that average temperatures will get lower in the next 6 months (at least in the Northern Hemisphere).  I know it goes against the grain, but I am confident it will happen.

RACIST FASCIST SCIENCE DENIER!
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on July 28, 2023, 01:12:28 PM
110 s quite normal for Phoenix this time of year but that doesn't stop the "WE"RE ALL GONNA DIE!"

Quote
    An ominous sight has appeared in downtown Phoenix, where temperatures are expected to top 110°F for a 28th straight day — refrigerated containers designed to hold bodies. https://t.co/p5fCEZXLAe
    — NBC News (@NBCNews) July 27, 2023
Media spotted recycling Covid-era fear-mongering stories to spark heatwave panic
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/07/28/media-spotted-recycling-covid-era-fear-mongering-stories-to-spark-heatwave-panic-n2385802


Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: gunsmith on July 28, 2023, 02:43:13 PM
 The best bet for being safe is getting your Climate Change Vaccine
Or, just telling people you had it already, I have natural immunity to climate change but I got the vaccine anyway, because I care about people
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on July 28, 2023, 02:44:42 PM
The best bet for being safe is getting your Climate Change Vaccine
Or, just telling people you had it already, I have natural immunity to climate change but I got the vaccine anyway, because I care about people

But have you had your booster?
No?
You right wing MAGA extremist!
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: 230RN on July 29, 2023, 06:26:41 AM
The best bet for being safe is getting your Climate Change Vaccine
Or, just telling people you had it already, I have natural immunity to climate change but I got the vaccine anyway, because I care about people

Thanks for the laugh !

I will insinuate that into my next conversation on global warming (which is bound to happen with our usual July-August heat wave) and see who takes it seriously. 

=D

Terry, 230RN
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on July 29, 2023, 11:06:09 AM
There has been too much gloom lately. I'm ready for some doom. It won't happen, of course. Without the 'narrative', there will be nothing to keep us worrying, stocking up, and supporting AlGore's contrail generating climate destructive hypocritical travels.

Woody
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 29, 2023, 11:43:44 AM
Hope springs eternal

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/51949329859_29b5b2cc6f_z.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2n9zTT2)[
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on July 29, 2023, 11:55:30 AM
Haven't you heard? Brandon cured Corn Pop asteroids.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 29, 2023, 12:00:01 PM
Haven't you heard? Brandon cured killer asteroids too.

I thought he cured hemorrhoids, or was it he is a hemorrhoid, it's hard to keep up these days.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on July 29, 2023, 12:00:30 PM
I thought he cured hemorrhoids, or was it he is a hemorrhoid, it's hard to keep up these days.

Darn it, you beat my edit.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: JTHunter on July 29, 2023, 03:46:16 PM
If, as "Brandon" said, that he "cured cancer", why is he still around?  He's a "cancer" in this nation, as are most of the rest of "his kind".  >:D
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on August 05, 2023, 08:17:03 AM
Remember this from February?

Lake Powell and Lake Mead are unlikely to refill for another 50 years - and would need SIX consecutive years of deadly atmospheric rivers to replenish
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11719667/Lake-Powell-Lake-Mead-unlikely-refill-50-years.html

"Experts" said 50 years
Meanwhile 6 months later

Incredible satellite images shows how previously-drought stricken Lake Powell has risen by FORTY-FOUR feet thanks to historic winter storms
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12375057/Incredible-satellite-images-shows-previously-drought-stricken-Lake-Mead-risen-FORTY-FOUR-feet-thanks-historic-winter-storms.html

Note: Headline says 44 feet but within the article
Quote
The elevation of the reservoir changed from 3520.81 feet to 3584.02 feet – about a 64-foot difference, according to the Lake Powell Water Database.

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on August 05, 2023, 12:48:53 PM
Global warming! Not in the US, but my cousin telegrammed me this morning that an area just 100KM from him and only 800 meters in elevation got hammered by hail. It looks like the middle of Winter in the region. In August. Some places got a half meter of hail in like an hour. Here's an English story on it.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/06/hailstones-pile-up-as-heavy-storms-hit-germany
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: JTHunter on August 05, 2023, 02:33:01 PM
Global warming! Not in the US, but my cousin telegrammed me this morning that an area just 100KM from him and only 800 meters in elevation got hammered by hail. It looks like the middle of Winter in the region. In August. Some places got a half meter of hail in like an hour. Here's an English story on it.

https://www.euronews.com/2022/06/06/hailstones-pile-up-as-heavy-storms-hit-germany

Oh, the humanity !  :rofl:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: ConstitutionCowboy on August 07, 2023, 09:59:13 AM
I thought he cured hemorrhoids, or was it he is a hemorrhoid, it's hard to keep up these days.

I believe it's the latter.

Woody
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: JTHunter on August 08, 2023, 09:55:54 PM
I believe it's the latter.

Woody

Nah, he's just a "P.I.T.A.".  :rofl:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on August 09, 2023, 09:34:18 AM
Ep099 Idaho Floods / Carbon Conspiracy / Hurricanes Down - Kosmographia The Randall Carlson Podcast
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-T14Xzfeltw

Longer podcast.  You know it has to be good since youtube put the UN Climate Change note on it.   =)
Hour and 40 minutes if you have the time to listen.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on August 14, 2023, 05:32:53 PM
Use of fossil fuels violates the constitution.....or something  :O

Quote
A Montana judge has sided with youth activists who argued that state agencies’ use of fossil fuels and its impact on the environment violated their constitutional rights.

District Court Judge Kathy Seeley found the state’s policy used to evaluate requests for fossil fuel permits is unconstitutional because it does not force agencies to evaluate the effects of greenhouse gas emissions.

Judge Seeley wrote that "Montana's emissions and climate change have been proven to be a substantial factor in causing climate impacts to Montana's environment and harm and injury" to the youth.

Quote
"As fires rage in the West, fueled by fossil fuel pollution, today's ruling in Montana is a game-changer that marks a turning point in this generation's efforts to save the planet from the devastating effects of human-caused climate chaos," Olson said.

Montana judge sides with youth activists in landmark climate change case
https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/montana-judge-sides-youth-activists-landmark-climate-change-case
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: tokugawa on August 15, 2023, 01:23:54 AM
Seems to me there are factions in the U.S. dedicated to forcing us into Third World status. Their motivations are unclear to me.

 Examine third world life expectancy, and systems of governing, and report back on motivation....
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on August 15, 2023, 10:11:40 AM
Remember this from February?

Lake Powell and Lake Mead are unlikely to refill for another 50 years - and would need SIX consecutive years of deadly atmospheric rivers to replenish
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11719667/Lake-Powell-Lake-Mead-unlikely-refill-50-years.html

"Experts" said 50 years
Meanwhile 6 months later

Incredible satellite images shows how previously-drought stricken Lake Powell has risen by FORTY-FOUR feet thanks to historic winter storms
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12375057/Incredible-satellite-images-shows-previously-drought-stricken-Lake-Mead-risen-FORTY-FOUR-feet-thanks-historic-winter-storms.html

Note: Headline says 44 feet but within the article

It seems to me that is often the case with sciences that try to predict things or evaluate how often things have happened.  Over time, we learn that certain types of events happen more often than predicted, have happened more often in the past, and have happened more recently in the past. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on August 15, 2023, 10:13:46 AM
Just saw a headline
July was the hottest month in history!

Then further down
Since 1880
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on August 21, 2023, 07:38:42 PM
Babylon Bee BTW

California Drought Undeniable Evidence Of Climate Change - UPDATE: California Rain Undeniable Evidence Of Climate Change
https://babylonbee.com/news/california-drought-undeniable-evidence-of-climate-change---update-california-rain-undeniable-evidence-of-climate-change
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 01, 2023, 06:36:09 PM
Here's Anton with yes the temp is increasing but we're still coming out of the last ice age, and yes it has been hotter in the past, and something is increasing atmospheric methane and it isn't us.
The enviros are going to give him hell over this

Uh Oh, Methane Evidence Suggests We Entered Ice Age Termination Event
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72uza9JpT-I

Meanwhile YT feels the need to insert this

Quote
Climate change
United Nations
Climate change refers to long-term shifts in temperatures and weather patterns, mainly caused by human activities, especially the burning of fossil fuels.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 02, 2023, 08:56:49 AM
OMG it's not suppose to rain in the desert. We're all gonna die!

Rain man! Burning Man is a washout with organizers forced to close the gate into the site for final weekend as torrential downpours turn usually bone dry desert into a slippery 'muddy paste'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12472715/burning-man-floods.html
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 02, 2023, 07:30:50 PM
OMG it's not suppose to rain in the desert. We're all gonna die!

Rain man! Burning Man is a washout with organizers forced to close the gate into the site for final weekend as torrential downpours turn usually bone dry desert into a slippery 'muddy paste'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12472715/burning-man-floods.html

Now they're freezing 
I'm trying not to laugh....seriously I am
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Burning Man freezes! Revelers are catching HYPOTHERMIA and fleeing to local bars for warmth as torrential rain and biting winds cause havoc at Nevada hippie festival
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12473413/Burning-Man-freezes-Revelers-catching-HYPOTHERMIA-fleeing-local-bars-warmth-torrential-rain-biting-winds-cause-havoc-Nevada-hippie-festival.html

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on September 02, 2023, 07:41:09 PM
fleeing to local bars for warmth as torrential rain and biting winds cause havoc at Nevada hippie festival

I'm cracking up at the bar picture, because it looks like three rural regulars are at the end of the bar and surrounded by smelly hippies.  :laugh:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on September 03, 2023, 11:10:42 AM
As many of the comments mentioned, if you really believed there was only six years left for all of us to live, you're kinda wasting your last years going to college instead of spending time with loved ones.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QGvr9QpIhDE?feature=share
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 06, 2023, 04:27:18 PM
Global Cooling Global warming Climate Change Climate Breakdown

U.N. chief already shifts from 'global boiling' to new term and the media's happy to help push it
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/09/06/un-chief-already-shifts-from-global-boiling-to-new-term-and-the-medias-happy-to-help-push-it-n2386911
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: 230RN on September 06, 2023, 04:34:13 PM
"The U.N. obviously knows they can count on the media to help push this without an ounce of skepticism"

The propaganda is settled.

"Hottest summer on record."


A teeny tiny little  voice from Colorado peeps up:

"Uhhh... how far back does your record go?"

The teeny tiny little voice from Colorado notices the scowls and slings of scamdalous outrage....

"Uh... never mind."
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: bedlamite on September 07, 2023, 01:17:38 PM
We knew this, but it's nice to actually see it.

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-overhyped-climate-change-to-get-published
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 11, 2023, 03:43:26 PM
Somehow you not putting ice in your drink will save the planet

Axios explores why you should feel guilty over 'new trend' of... putting ice in your drink?
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/09/11/axios-explores-why-you-should-feel-guilty-for-using-ice-in-your-drink-n2387090

"New trend"

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on September 11, 2023, 03:51:11 PM
Somehow you not putting ice in your drink will save the planet

Axios explores why you should feel guilty over 'new trend' of... putting ice in your drink?
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/09/11/axios-explores-why-you-should-feel-guilty-for-using-ice-in-your-drink-n2387090

"New trend"

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 11, 2023, 03:59:37 PM
We knew this, but it's nice to actually see it.

https://www.thefp.com/p/i-overhyped-climate-change-to-get-published

So this "scientist" is willing to sacrifice what he sees as good science in the holy name of being published. It's good to see this being confirmed, but it's a sad day when "scientists" not only do this, but even admit to doing it.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 11, 2023, 04:10:52 PM
Science you can't question is a religion not science

(https://images7.memedroid.com/images/UPLOADED282/61d00ea30b33c.jpeg)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RocketMan on September 11, 2023, 09:27:08 PM
Is having ice in your drinks racist yet?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 11, 2023, 09:35:56 PM
Is having ice in your drinks racist yet?

If it's in a mixed drink yes

Dark and Stormy: The whitewashed history of your favorite cocktails
https://www.mic.com/life/racism-cocktail-culture-the-whitewashed-history-of-your-favorite-drinks-78318509

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2023, 05:28:32 PM
Biden announces the formation of a climate cult corps.

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/09/20/biden-announces-new-youth-program-called-american-climate-corps-so-it-looks-like-hes-doing-something-n2387493

I wonder what their uniforms will look like?

(https://www.krishna.org/images/Kirtana/LondonKirtan.jpg)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on September 20, 2023, 05:43:48 PM
It is already a cult.  I guess once it gets going they can have the IRS designate it as a religion for tax purposes.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on September 20, 2023, 05:53:05 PM
It is already a cult.  I guess once it gets going they can have the IRS designate it as a religion for tax purposes.

Yeah - I meant official government cult. Which means I got the uniforms wrong.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffreedomisknowledge.com%2Femails%2F2017%2Fbrownshirts800.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=16d585ff693f8029489b54a2e2913b75c0769b94419e41caae1de4c700c609d4&ipo=images)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 20, 2023, 05:57:42 PM
Shouldn't they be Green Shirts?

Just saying
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Cliffh on September 20, 2023, 06:48:21 PM
Yeah - I meant official government cult. Which means I got the uniforms wrong.

(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Ffreedomisknowledge.com%2Femails%2F2017%2Fbrownshirts800.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=16d585ff693f8029489b54a2e2913b75c0769b94419e41caae1de4c700c609d4&ipo=images)


That's typical of the picture that came to mind.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on September 23, 2023, 12:53:59 PM
John Kerry is apparently saying that because of global warming we won't be able to feed all the people in the world but we have to curtail agricultural emissions because they're one of the biggest contributors to global warming.

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/09/23/hot-take-on-how-bidenomics-is-a-godsend-for-rural-america-is-the-eye-roller-of-the-day-n2387634

Here in Idaho, if the temps got to what they are claiming, it would just mean farmers could double crop, like they do in California, instead of only having one crop a year.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 23, 2023, 12:56:39 PM
Meanwhile
Quote
Bry Wilder
@wilder_bry
This is VERY BAD ADVICE.  Fear is control, if they keep you afraid, angry and fighting amongst each other, they can CONTROL you.   Obama, does NOT care about climate change.  He had several thousand-gallon propane tanks installed on one of his properties.  He could afford solar and wind, yet he chose to use PROPANE.  Kids need to start thinking for themselves, doing the proper research and THEN deciding what path to take.  "Choose your battles wisely".
https://twitter.com/wilder_bry/status/1705616842243408209?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Mary Katharine Ham advises young people to IGNORE Obama's latest advice
https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/09/23/mary-katharine-ham-obama-advice-young-people-n2387637
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: JTHunter on September 23, 2023, 02:47:08 PM
Quote
several thousand-gallon propane tanks installed
  [popcorn]

What kind of inferno could those make if one or more start leaking and get ignited?  :O  :rofl:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on September 25, 2023, 10:23:56 AM
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F61XZLJa4AA7f9g?format=jpg&name=medium)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2023, 10:42:04 AM
Bill Nye the actor guy
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2023, 10:48:09 AM
And talk about timing

Biden tapping Bill Nye the 'not really a' science guy to celebrate Climate Week causes BACKFIRE tsunami
https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/09/25/bill-nye-n2387675
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 25, 2023, 11:08:34 AM
In climate related news it is being reported insurance companies are dropping people after they install solar panels.
Could be more to this

 Insurance companies dropping homeowners with solar panels in Florida
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ws7jEu9JxOA
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on September 25, 2023, 12:53:24 PM
So some insurance companies don't want to cover the panels, but you can shop around.

I was also wondering if the installations will hold up against hurricane force winds to the same degree as the roof?  I bet some don't. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 26, 2023, 10:39:42 AM
Is there anything climate change can't do? Now scientists say global warming is causing rising drug and alcohol abuse - because 'sunnier days encourage day drinking'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12559351/Is-climate-change-scientists-say-global-warming-causing-rising-drug-alcohol-abuse-sunnier-days-encourage-day-drinking.html

(https://media.tenor.com/mPyA6mG41zAAAAAC/that70s-show-kitty.gif)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: lee n. field on September 26, 2023, 12:40:35 PM
Biden announces the formation of a climate cult corps.

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/09/20/biden-announces-new-youth-program-called-american-climate-corps-so-it-looks-like-hes-doing-something-n2387493

I wonder what their uniforms will look like?

(https://www.krishna.org/images/Kirtana/LondonKirtan.jpg)

The climate Penitentes (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penitentes_(New_Mexico)).

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ea/CFLummisPentitente.jpg/1280px-CFLummisPentitente.jpg)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on September 30, 2023, 07:20:18 PM
Mic drop

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ybSkZwtTwUo?feature=share
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on September 30, 2023, 10:27:51 PM
Mic drop

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/ybSkZwtTwUo?feature=share

"It's vegan leather."

 :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:  :rofl:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on October 02, 2023, 11:19:51 PM
Are they just trying to avoid calling it plastic? 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on October 05, 2023, 09:18:51 AM
Coming for your old car?

Quote
California is seeking information about the locations of classic cars in the state and the tendencies of their drivers after considering establishing “zero emissions zones,” according to a state survey obtained by the Daily Caller News Foundation.

The California Air Resources Board (CARB) sent out the survey about light-duty vehicles made in model year 1978 or earlier on Aug. 2, seeking information from respondents about tendencies they have while using the classic vehicles, including the county in which they are primarily driven. The survey on classic cars follows a 2019 CARB draft report which suggests that the state should “provide explicit authority to local jurisdictions to create zero-emission zones” in order to combat climate change.

The survey also asks respondents to specify how many miles are registered on the odometers of their classic cars and approximate annual mileage, as well as the frequency and distance travelled of their cruises. California has the most classic car collectors of any state in the country, according to RotoWire.
Quote
A “zero emissions zone” is “an area where only zero-emission vehicles, pedestrians and cyclists are granted unrestricted access” that is intended to help counter climate change, according to The International Council on Clean Transportation.

EXCLUSIVE: California Probes Driving Habits Of Vintage Car Owners After Mulling ‘Zero Emissions Zones’
https://dailycaller.com/2023/09/20/california-survey-vintage-cars-zero-emissions-zones/

Here's Steve Lehto https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ7ykSfY-t8
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Jim147 on October 05, 2023, 01:29:30 PM
Go after that dirty Jay Leno. This could get fun.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Cliffh on October 05, 2023, 08:15:37 PM
I'd throw the survey in the circular file.

Defining a "classic car" as one built prior to 1978, I can understand why there are so many "collectors" in Calif.  Folks can't afford to replace their vehicle, so they keep the old one running.

The crazy is getting worse. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on October 06, 2023, 12:33:24 AM
I'd throw the survey in the circular file.

Defining a "classic car" as one built prior to 1978, I can understand why there are so many "collectors" in Calif.  Folks can't afford to replace their vehicle, so they keep the old one running.

The crazy is getting worse.

That sounds familiar. I'm sure I've heard of somewhere else where that has happened.

Lemme see ...

...

...

...

Oh, yeah -- CUBA.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on November 04, 2023, 01:15:28 PM
Hey man, if you're worried about the AGW, just like, do more drugs man.

https://twitchy.com/coucy/2023/11/04/wapo-psychedelic-therapy-for-climate-anxiety-n2389395

Seems like we're heading for the year 3535.

https://youtu.be/zKQfxi8V5FA
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: HeroHog on November 04, 2023, 01:21:03 PM
Seems like we're heading for the year 3535.

My first thought was: Zager & Evans
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on November 04, 2023, 01:36:08 PM
My first thought was: Zager & Evans

They were like, prescient man.  =D
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on November 11, 2023, 07:56:58 AM
The latest cause of global cooling global warning climate change  is...Drum Roll please

Your ready?


Halloween Pumpkins!
I knew they were evil misunderstood

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After Halloween, millions of pumpkins rot in landfills and produce methane, a powerful greenhouse gas. An expert tells CNN how to prevent your pumpkin from contributing to climate change.

Halloween pumpkins are an environmental nightmare. Here's an earth-friendly guide for throwing them away
https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2023/10/31/pumpkin-disposal-cprog-orig-fj.cnn
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on November 11, 2023, 08:11:46 PM
I did my part by not buying a pumpkin. Or am I guilty anyway, because now someone else has to properly dispose of the pumpkin I didn't buy? If that person disposes of "my" pumpkin improperly, am I guilty of planeticide because I failed to buy a pumpkin I neither wanted nor needed, just to ensure that it would be disposed of properly?

I'm so confused ...
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Pb on November 12, 2023, 10:31:40 AM
Here are some interesting temperature estimations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record

As you can see, increasing the time scale to more than a couple hundred or so years makes the current variation look insignificant.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on November 12, 2023, 11:19:33 AM
Here are some interesting temperature estimations:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_temperature_record

As you can see, increasing the time scale to more than a couple hundred or so years makes the current variation look insignificant.

Racist
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: gunsmith on November 13, 2023, 04:43:55 PM
 "No climate justice on occupied lands"
Says our getting older heroine Greta Thuneberg.

( I have no idea what that means, I guess it is pro Palestinian , somehow?)

anyway, climate cultist want a pure message I think

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nALzhf8pzKs
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on November 18, 2023, 04:37:52 PM
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    German police continue to use controversial 'Pain Grip' to remove eco-protesters. pic.twitter.com/Vfl6ZpCQcL
    — Felix Rex ⳩ (@navyhato) November 16, 2023

OMG! That's horrible. Did the Vulcans teach it to them?

Or maybe not

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    Correction: eco-terrorists are trained to scream like little girls the second someone touches them. pic.twitter.com/NtHMmifSZE
    — Lyndsey Fifield (@lyndseyfifield) November 18, 2023

Yep

Police Continue to Use Controversial 'Pain Grip' on Eco-Terrorists
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/18/police-continue-to-use-controversial-pain-grip-on-eco-terrorists-n2389952
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on November 18, 2023, 04:44:23 PM
OMG! That's horrible. Did the Vulcans teach it to them?

Or maybe not

Yep

Police Continue to Use Controversial 'Pain Grip' on Eco-Terrorists
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/11/18/police-continue-to-use-controversial-pain-grip-on-eco-terrorists-n2389952

They don't know what pain compliance is. Don't make me go to 4!

https://youtu.be/mCYGcZHSprc?t=45
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: bedlamite on November 28, 2023, 04:28:57 AM
(https://i.redd.it/9lvn4r1zuz2c1.jpg)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on December 03, 2023, 07:51:16 AM
Babylon Bee

Climate Activists’ Private Planes Freeze Themselves To Runway In Powerful Protest
https://babylonbee.com/news/climate-activists-private-planes-freeze-themselves-to-runway-in-powerful-protest

Real Life

Irony Alert: Blizzard Freezes Private Jets Destined For Dubai Global Warming Conference
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/02/blizzard-freezes-private-jets-for-global-warming-n2390406
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on December 03, 2023, 08:58:36 AM
What sea level rise will look like in cities that have hosted climate summits
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/03/climate/sea-level-rise-cop28-climate

We were suppose to be underwater by ~1990
~Then 2000
~Then 2010
~Then 2020
But you really need to panic this time!

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2023, 12:22:57 PM
John Kerry: We demand no coal plant be built anywhere in the world!!!\

China: We agree! (as we already built 30 this year and have more in process)

I also just read this morning that China discovered a ginormous oil reserve in their territory, which they will totally not exploit.

https://twitchy.com/laura-w/2023/12/04/john-kerry-coal-plants-n2390453
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on December 04, 2023, 12:25:41 PM

I also just read this morning that China discovered a ginormous oil reserve in their territory, which they will totally not exploit.


Some people need to go to China and start gluing themselves to the roads there.  [popcorn]
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on December 04, 2023, 03:24:43 PM
What sea level rise will look like in cities that have hosted climate summits
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/03/climate/sea-level-rise-cop28-climate

We were suppose to be underwater by ~1990
~Then 2000
~Then 2010
~Then 2020
But you really need to panic this time!
Looking at the photos, most just show a sea level a few feet above the surface.  Why does the one photo show water over the tree tops?

Also, if that were to happen, every one of those areas would build levees and remain dry for the most part. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on December 04, 2023, 05:01:22 PM
I honestly expected more of this in the US, but it seems the euros are the ones leaning towards weaponizing their cars. Then again this generation extinction whatever group seems to me more prevalent across the pond.

https://twitchy.com/brettt/2023/12/04/watch-driver-shows-how-to-clear-a-road-blocked-by-protesters-n2390482

I've seen more videos similar to this, where even when the protestor barely escapes being run over, they continue to return to the same spot in front of the same car. The driver has already indicated to you that he'll run you over. Hello, Darwin? You there?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on December 04, 2023, 05:15:02 PM
Even if there was a momentary gap, I think a lot of people aren't willing to push through.  They are not quite driven to risk running someone over.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on December 07, 2023, 06:18:58 PM
Report details how Louisville Metro affordable housing problems are affected by climate change
https://www.wave3.com/2023/12/07/report-details-how-louisville-metro-affordable-housing-problems-are-affected-by-climate-change/

Basically we need to panic and spend more money

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LOUISVILLE, Ky. (WAVE) - The yearly report from the Metropolitan Housing Coalition (MHC) shows that the city not only needs to build more affordable homes, it needs to make them more resilient. “The State of Housing in a Changing Climate” makes a case for building affordable housing that can stand up to more severe weather and keep energy costs down.

MHC Executive Director Tony Curtis said the cost can be daunting.

“Millions, billions of dollars,” he said. “People run away from and say we can’t tackle this, but it does take that bold vision, but it takes a bold investment of money and a community engagement as well to do that.”

According to the report, 41.1% of renters in the Louisville Metro already spend more than 30% of their income on rent. That is the threshold of what is considered affordable housing.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on December 11, 2023, 01:49:04 PM
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    .@algore: "There is a mental health crisis around the world, I think that one of the main reasons for that is that young people look at the fact that we are not yet solving the climate crisis" pic.twitter.com/d9sogbEpcW
    — Tom Elliott (@tomselliott) December 10, 2023

You may want to look in the mirror and see who is to blame

Al Gore Sounds Alarm About Mental Health Crisis Created by Constant Climate Change Panic
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2023/12/11/al-gore-sounds-alarm-about-mental-health-crisis-created-by-constant-climate-change-panic-n2390713
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on December 14, 2023, 09:13:02 AM
I predicted they would turn their attention to human breath

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he new study was led by Dr Nicholas Cowan, an atmospheric physicist at the UK Centre for Ecology and Hydrology in Edinburgh.

'Exhaled human breath can contain small, elevated concentrations of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O), both of which contribute to global warming,' Dr Cowan and colleagues say.

'We would urge caution in the assumption that emissions from humans are negligible.'
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Every person breathes out CO2 when they exhale, but in their new study, the researchers focused on methane and nitrous oxide.

These two are both powerful greenhouse gases, but because they're breathed out in much smaller quantities, their contribution to global warming may have been overlooked.

And it's 1/10 of 1% of greenhouse gases PANIC!
We've known this for how long? So what's your solution then? Make everyone wear some sort of contraption to trap the gases? Or mass genocide to save the planet?

I propose everyone worried about their breath destroying the planet should stop breathing for 12 hours every day to cut their breath emissions in half.
I need to hop on to my private jet and fly to Dubai and propose that. My Nobel prize awaits.

 Now scientists say BREATHING is bad for the environment: Gases we exhale contribute to 0.1% of the UK's greenhouse gas emissions
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12859057/Now-scientists-say-BREATHING-bad-environment-Gases-exhale-contribute-0-1-UKs-greenhouse-gas-emissions.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on December 14, 2023, 10:08:41 AM
I am not quite certain who is dumber.  The "atmospheric physicist" who said this or the Daily Mail for taking the time to publish that nonsense.  They act like we didn't already know people exhale CO2. 

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The new study was led by Dr Nicholas Cowan, an atmospheric physicist at the UK Centre for Ecology and Hydrology in Edinburgh.

'Exhaled human breath can contain small, elevated concentrations of methane (CH4) and nitrous oxide (N2O), both of which contribute to global warming,' Dr Cowan and colleagues say.

'We would urge caution in the assumption that emissions from humans are negligible.'
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: RocketMan on December 14, 2023, 10:49:06 AM
I predicted they would turn their attention to human breath

And it's 1/10 of 1% of greenhouse gases PANIC!
We've known this for how long? So what's your solution then? Make everyone wear some sort of contraption to trap the gases? Or mass genocide to save the planet?

I propose everyone worried about their breath destroying the planet should stop breathing for 12 hours every day to cut their breath emissions in half.
I need to hop on to my private jet and fly to Dubai and propose that. My Nobel prize awaits.

 Now scientists say BREATHING is bad for the environment: Gases we exhale contribute to 0.1% of the UK's greenhouse gas emissions
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-12859057/Now-scientists-say-BREATHING-bad-environment-Gases-exhale-contribute-0-1-UKs-greenhouse-gas-emissions.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=social-twitter_mailonline

I was wondering how long it would take for the climate doomsters to get around to this.  Surprised it took so long.
Some of the more radical climate doomsters will eventually advocate mass genocide to "solve" the problem.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: bedlamite on December 14, 2023, 09:13:07 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujxrEazDhow
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on December 28, 2023, 08:57:06 AM
Wishing 87.5% of you would just die

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Key Club of Rome member, Dennis Meadows, hopes the "necessary" depopulation of the planet, down to one billion—an 87.5% reduction from today’s population—can "occur in a civil way".

I say they should lead the way

Either that or go full dictatorship

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    "The planet can support something like a billion people, maybe two billion, depending on how much liberty and how much material consumption you want to have." "If you want more liberty, and more consumption, you have to have fewer people. And conversely, you can have more people. I mean, we could even have eight or nine billion, probably if we have a very strong dictatorship." Source: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Dbo6uvJBtZg…

And I'm sure with them in charge of course. Isn't that how that always works?

https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1738872389545390299

We Regret to Inform You the Depopulation Folks Are at It Again
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/27/depopulation-folks-are-at-it-again-n2391150
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: gunsmith on December 29, 2023, 01:52:48 PM
Wishing 87.5% of you would just die

I say they should lead the way

Either that or go full dictatorship

And I'm sure with them in charge of course. Isn't that how that always works?

https://twitter.com/wideawake_media/status/1738872389545390299

We Regret to Inform You the Depopulation Folks Are at It Again
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2023/12/27/depopulation-folks-are-at-it-again-n2391150

the carbon we want to reduce is you and your entire family   
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 04, 2024, 04:24:32 PM
Nothing to see here

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    AP Quietly Reveals Donation From Foreign Group That Trains Journalists as Climate Change ‘Activists’https://t.co/3dBDNSgKSb
    — Washington Free Beacon (@FreeBeacon) January 2, 2024
https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/01/04/ap-climate-org-donations-n2391345
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on January 17, 2024, 11:44:17 AM
The annual hypocrisy conference is in full swing:

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/01/17/argentinian-president-javier-milei-might-not-get-invited-back-to-davos-and-were-loving-it-n2391837

I saw John Kerry has been getting blasted by on-scene reporters asking him about his carbon footprint. He's more pissy about it this year than usual.  :rofl:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: bedlamite on January 17, 2024, 12:43:54 PM
Remember when they were blaming the Canadian fires on climate change:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/brian-pare-pleads-guilty-to-setting-quebec-wildfires-1.7084669
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 17, 2024, 12:52:01 PM
Remember when they were blaming the Canadian fires on climate change:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/brian-pare-pleads-guilty-to-setting-quebec-wildfires-1.7084669

I remember reports of this and even video coming out of this happening.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on January 23, 2024, 09:17:35 AM
The bastards are now coming after our coffee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4LghaLY9Yw

I don't drink coffee.  I am sure someone has a synthetic replacement for people to put in the Keurig machines.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 23, 2024, 10:15:00 AM
The bastards are now coming after our coffee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4LghaLY9Yw

I don't drink coffee.  I am sure someone has a synthetic replacement for people to put in the Keurig machines.

(https://www.mememaker.net/static/images/memes/41227.jpg)
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Hawkmoon on January 23, 2024, 07:31:07 PM
The bastards are now coming after our coffee
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4LghaLY9Yw

I don't drink coffee.  I am sure someone has a synthetic replacement for people to put in the Keurig machines.

WHAAAAAT?

Between 15 and 20 TONS of CO2 for every ton of coffee? I want to see hard numbers on that claim.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on January 23, 2024, 11:26:07 PM
WHAAAAAT?

Between 15 and 20 TONS of CO2 for every ton of coffee? I want to see hard numbers on that claim.
If it were true, I would assume they are trying to count every step in coffee production from the farming all the way to your coffee cup.  Seems suspect as people aren't going to just drink water as an alternative.  They are going to go for some other drink that also has an imaginary CO2 cost. 
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on January 24, 2024, 08:12:48 AM
If it were true, I would assume they are trying to count every step in coffee production from the farming all the way to your coffee cup. 

Probably including the carbon output from manufacturing the tractor to manufacturing the coffee cup.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Perd Hapley on January 24, 2024, 05:17:34 PM
Quote
New Jersey plastic bag ban backfires:

"Following New Jersey’s ban of single-use bags, the shift from plastic film to alternative bags resulted in a nearly 3x increase in plastic consumption for bags."

Quote
You know who has benefited the most from the single-use bag ban? Retailers who sell those reusable bags that rarely get reused. They are making bank on the ban.

    Reusable bags have also resulted in windfall profits for retailers since the ban took effect, with the researchers finding the average retailer could make $200,000 annually at a single location.

https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/01/24/they-banned-plastic-bags-and-increased-plastic-usage-by-300-n607081
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 24, 2024, 05:30:12 PM
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2024/01/24/they-banned-plastic-bags-and-increased-plastic-usage-by-300-n607081

Perhaps the problem is that the "no plastic bags" signs on the doors are too small
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2024, 11:09:29 AM
Sigh

Quote
Simon Ateba
@simonateba
BREAKING IN WASHINGTON: President Biden pauses all pending approvals of liquefied natural gas exports, says climate change is real and must be tackled, cites wildfires, historic hurricanes and floods wiping homes.

Quote
In a 5:59 a.m. EST statement today, Biden writes, “In every corner of the country and the world, people are suffering the devastating toll of climate change. Historic hurricanes and floods wiping out homes, businesses, and houses of worship. Wildfires destroying whole neighborhoods and forcing families to leave their communities behind. Record temperatures affecting the lives and livelihoods of millions of Americans, especially the most vulnerable.

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“My Administration is announcing today a temporary pause on pending decisions of Liquefied Natural Gas exports – with the exception of unanticipated and immediate national security emergencies. During this period, we will take a hard look at the impacts of LNG exports on energy costs, America’s energy security, and our environment. This pause on new LNG approvals sees the climate crisis for what it is: the existential threat of our time.
 
“While MAGA Republicans willfully deny the urgency of the climate crisis, condemning the American people to a dangerous future, my Administration will not be complacent. We will not cede to special interests.

https://twitter.com/simonateba/status/1750878305031471122

MFer

Meanwhile China  :rofl:
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on January 26, 2024, 11:34:38 AM
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BREAKING IN WASHINGTON: President Biden pauses all pending approvals of liquefied natural gas exports, says climate change is real and must be tackled, cites wildfires, historic hurricanes and floods wiping homes.

Wait, wasn't one of the things we were doing was exporting LNG to Germany so they wouldn't buy from Russia? Did we blow up the pipeline for nothing now?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2024, 11:41:43 AM

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In a joint announcement Friday morning, the White House and Department of Energy (DOE) said the pause would occur while federal officials conduct a rigorous environmental review assessing the projects' carbon emissions, which could take more than a year to complete. Climate activists have loudly taken aim at LNG export projects in recent weeks, arguing they will lead to a large uptick in emissions and worsen global warming.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-halts-enormous-natural-gas-projects-victory-environmentalists

Just a few years ago we were switching coal plants to NG because NG was clean burning. WTF happened in the meantime? These people aren't going to stop until we're back to living in caves and they better not catch you burning wood in one or wearing animal pelts to stay warm.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on January 26, 2024, 11:46:42 AM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-halts-enormous-natural-gas-projects-victory-environmentalists

These people aren't going to stop until we're back to living in caves and they better not catch you burning wood in one or wearing animal pelts to stay warm.

Uhm...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-homeless-found-living-furnished-caves-20-feet-below-street-level
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2024, 12:24:29 PM
I don't know how much stock to put into this

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Before deciding to delay approval of the Calcasieu Pass 2 (CP2), key climate advisers and decision-makers in the White House reportedly met with Alex Haraus, a 25-year-old TikTok influencer from Colorado who has organized an online campaign demanding that the administration kill the project, according to the NYT. The White House is expected to formally announce on Friday that it is delaying its review of CP2, a development which could be the administration’s first step toward killing the project and putting numerous other LNG terminal proposals in jeopardy as well.

Climate activists “absolutely will reward or punish him on this decision,” Haraus told the NYT, referencing President Joe Biden and the upcoming presidential election. (RELATED: Biden Admin Got Handful Of Undergrads To Write Its Report On Chinese Communist Threat)

Biden Team Reportedly Took Step Toward Killing Natural Gas Project After Meeting With 25-Year-Old TikTok Influencer
https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/25/biden-team-reportedly-met-25-year-old-tiktok-influencer-cp2/
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on January 26, 2024, 01:18:45 PM
The LNG terminals on the Gulf Coast are going to love that.  I guess the natural gas price didn't get high enough this Winter.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on January 26, 2024, 01:41:48 PM
Uhm...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-homeless-found-living-furnished-caves-20-feet-below-street-level

That's a feature not a bug
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Blakenzy on January 26, 2024, 04:14:33 PM
You guys are complaining too much because you own too much and are consequently not happy. Cede all your rights and property to dear leader for happiness.

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on January 26, 2024, 05:03:47 PM
Uhm...

https://www.foxnews.com/us/california-homeless-found-living-furnished-caves-20-feet-below-street-level

I couldn't see any pictures on the Fox link.  Here are a couple others.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13004435/California-homeless-caves-LA-annual-count.html

https://nypost.com/2024/01/24/news/california-homeless-found-living-in-furnished-caves-full-of-trash-and-drugs/

Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Jim147 on January 26, 2024, 07:24:18 PM
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-halts-enormous-natural-gas-projects-victory-environmentalists

Just a few years ago we were switching coal plants to NG because NG was clean burning. WTF happened in the meantime? These people aren't going to stop until we're back to living in caves and they better not catch you burning wood in one or wearing animal pelts to stay warm.

I hope they come for my wood fire. I will see them coming and feed the animals with their corpses. I'm done with these dumbasses.
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Post by: Blakenzy on January 27, 2024, 07:22:29 AM
When you put things in perspective it all makes sense. Perspective: the objective is de-population AND absolute control over the remaining population in a master-slave context.
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Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2024, 01:49:31 PM
Stop growing your own food you're killing the planet

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Growing your own food in an allotment may not be as good for the environment as expected, a study suggests.

The carbon footprint of homegrown foods is five times greater than produce from conventional agricultural practices, such as rural farms, data show.

A study from the University of Michigan looked at how much CO2 was produced when growing food in different types of urban farms and found that, on average, a serving of food made from traditional farms creates 0.07kg of CO2.

The impact on the environment is almost five times higher at 0.34kg per portion for individual gardens, such as vegetable patches or allotments.

Carbon footprint of homegrown food five times greater than those grown conventionally
https://news.yahoo.com/carbon-footprint-homegrown-food-five-200247599.html
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Post by: MechAg94 on February 06, 2024, 04:58:42 PM
Stop growing your own food you're killing the planet

Carbon footprint of homegrown food five times greater than those grown conventionally
https://news.yahoo.com/carbon-footprint-homegrown-food-five-200247599.html
So they are imagining how someone would build a home garden and adding up the "carbon" of all that material.  Probably a worst case.  Pretty much fits with the rest of the global warming "studies". 
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Post by: Ben on February 06, 2024, 05:21:27 PM
This is just part of the "humans need to all die" agenda.

Eating meat destroys the planet.
Eating commercially farmed food destroys the planet.
Eating home grown food destroys the planet.

Did somebody build Star Trek replicators and not tell us?

Or else this is part of Bill Gates' plot to force us all into eating synthetic food. Which, just like solar, also puts out oodles of pollutants behind the scenes.
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Post by: WLJ on February 06, 2024, 05:24:22 PM
This is just part of the "humans need to all die" agenda.

Eating meat destroys the planet.
Eating commercially farmed food destroys the planet.
Eating home grown food destroys the planet.

Did somebody build Star Trek replicators and not tell us?

Or else this is part of Bill Gates' plot to force us all into eating synthetic food. Which, just like solar, also puts out oodles of pollutants behind the scenes.

Building antimatter power plants destroys the planet. Actually those could  =D
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Post by: MechAg94 on February 06, 2024, 05:41:37 PM
Replicators would create new carbon.  Can't add more carbon to the planet.
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Post by: WLJ on February 07, 2024, 11:05:58 AM
Give up your steak and burgers to save the planet.

UN group will demand Americans eat less meat to satisfy Paris Climate Accords, report says
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/un-will-demand-americans-eat-less-meat-to-appease-paris-climate-agreement-report-says-ham-beef-pork-chicken-fish-global-warming-change-united-nations-america-china-accords

And looking at their graph it's all you white people!

Eat Less Meat Is Message for Rich World in Food’s First Net Zero Plan
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-26/eat-less-meat-is-message-for-rich-world-in-food-s-first-net-zero-plan
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Post by: Ben on February 07, 2024, 12:17:47 PM
Give up your steak and burgers to save the planet.

UN group will demand Americans eat less meat to satisfy Paris Climate Accords, report says
https://wpde.com/news/nation-world/un-will-demand-americans-eat-less-meat-to-appease-paris-climate-agreement-report-says-ham-beef-pork-chicken-fish-global-warming-change-united-nations-america-china-accords

And looking at their graph it's all you white people!

Eat Less Meat Is Message for Rich World in Food’s First Net Zero Plan
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-26/eat-less-meat-is-message-for-rich-world-in-food-s-first-net-zero-plan

The greenies have very recently gone through all whole big thing about no-till farming combined with pasture raised beef REDUCES greenhouse gases (and science says they are right). Now we have to flip flop again.

15.7kg x 2.2 = 34.54lbs in "people who put men on the moon" measurements. That's .66lbs per week. You might as well be a vegetarian at that point.

Also, white people? What about carne asada and the whole Brazilian giant hunk of meat on a stick stuff? Or are they "white hsipanics"?

Also, kung pao chicken. Ben likes his chicken spicy.
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Post by: WLJ on February 12, 2024, 12:50:09 PM
More we're all going to die
They're saying the Gulf Stream is on the verge of shutting down.

The real-life Day After Tomorrow: The Gulf Stream could COLLAPSE as early as 2025 - plunging Europe into a deep freeze, scientists warn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13073449/Gulf-Stream-plunging-Europe-deep-freeze.html
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Post by: RocketMan on February 12, 2024, 01:35:13 PM
More we're all going to die
They're saying the Gulf Stream is on the verge of shutting down.

The real-life Day After Tomorrow: The Gulf Stream could COLLAPSE as early as 2025 - plunging Europe into a deep freeze, scientists warn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13073449/Gulf-Stream-plunging-Europe-deep-freeze.html

I'm looking for the down side here.
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Post by: Hawkmoon on February 13, 2024, 12:03:16 AM
More we're all going to die
They're saying the Gulf Stream is on the verge of shutting down.

The real-life Day After Tomorrow: The Gulf Stream could COLLAPSE as early as 2025 - plunging Europe into a deep freeze, scientists warn
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-13073449/Gulf-Stream-plunging-Europe-deep-freeze.html

So they're saying Greta what's-her-face can stop worrying about global warming? Good. Maybe then she'll shut up (but unlikely).
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Ben on February 14, 2024, 07:41:07 AM
I am cracking up at this USA Today article that popped up on my feed. They are complaining about Greenland becoming green and how it will destroy the Earth. A major part of their story is telling the reader that Greenland will be green just like it WAS 1000 years ago, and this is why it is a global warming disaster.

If USA Today were around 1000 years ago, they'd be crying about the coming ice age that will destroy the Earth. This is another great example for me illustrating how people don't understand planetary timescales.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/weather/2024/02/13/greenland-ice-sheet-melting-turning-green/72508699007/
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Post by: Hawkmoon on February 14, 2024, 07:55:18 AM
Thanks for that. My response for the last several years to anyone who yapped at me about global warming or "climate change" has been to point out that for 500 years (roughly 900 A.D. to 1400 A.D.) the Vikings lived an agrarian society in Greenland (which was not named "Green" land because it was covered in snow), and that they abandoned Greenland when it became too cold. If Greenland is now "at risk" of becoming green again, aren't we just getting back to where we were 1000 years ago?

When it starts to get too hot to farm on Greenland, we'll sit down and talk about global warming.

Interesting revisionist slant:

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Parts of Greenland are becoming green again for the first time since the Vikings visited nearly 1,000 years ago, ...

They didn't exactly "visit" 1,000 years ago. They colonized Greenland and lived there permanently for 500 years.
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Post by: MechAg94 on February 14, 2024, 08:48:05 AM
Just think what they would have said at the bottom of the Little Ice Age in the 1600's. 
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Post by: zahc on February 14, 2024, 08:57:38 AM
 
We would do well to copy China's climate policy. They are using coal because it's reliable and because they have coal resources. They are smart enough to understand that every coal plant they build grows their economy without making them more dependent on foreign oil. They are also the world's leading producers of solar, wind, and hydropower (which the US has lost the will to build). And despite all the coal , their emissions per capita is still way lower than the US.
Who cares about the coal; they are already winning in terms of climate policy.

Agreed that the alarmism focuses exclusively on the negative aspects of climate change and downplay or outright don't admit that there could be neutral or positive effects. What's interesting about this is that it's essentially a conservative take. Climate orthodoxy believes that things are best the way they are, and any change will certainly be worse, seasoned with a little bit of moral panic that if we don't stop it everything will reach a tipping point and descend into chaos. Analyzed objectively, climate alarmism is 100% conservative impulse. What's interesting is that groups with liberal instincts on other issues have decided to indulge in conservative watchguardism on climate; it seems to be their chosen outlet. Meanwhile groups that consider themselves conservative, rather than agree on climate, which adversarial politics doesn't permit them to do, predictably act as the stooges they accuse the other side of being and "randomly" choose this issue to have a liberal outlook....don't worry about it man, it will probably be fine, plus who cares if the climate does change, change is good and just as likely to be better anyway, nothing bad could possibly happen by recklessly changing our environment, let's just do it and see what happens, etc.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Cliffh on February 14, 2024, 09:01:12 AM
Then there's this article saying we're headed for a new ice age:

Researchers show new Ice Age may begin by 2030

https://phys.org/news/2015-07-ice-age.html

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The arrival of intense cold similar to the weather that raged during the "Little Ice Age", which froze the world during the 17th century and in the beginning of the 18th century, is expected in the years 2030 to 2040.


We're all gonna die!!!   But it looks like we can choose which way we're gonna - either over-heating or freezing.
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Post by: WLJ on February 14, 2024, 09:02:30 AM
Then there's this article saying we're headed for a new ice age:


Party like's 1978
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Post by: cordex on February 14, 2024, 09:09:49 AM
And despite all the coal , their emissions per capita is still way lower than the US.
Who cares about the coal; they are already winning in terms of climate policy.
If winning on CO2 emissions per capita is the primary goal, and one is apparently willing to disregard all other forms of pollution and standards of living, why not simply emulate Somalia in every way possible?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on February 14, 2024, 11:17:24 AM
And if you want an example how they're trying to change history google "the coming ice age" and you'll find a bunch of magazine covers in a article saying they're faked.
I remember a bunch but now they trying to say it never happened.

Example

The Real TIME Cover Behind That Fake ‘Ice Age’ Report
https://time.com/4778937/fake-time-cover-ice-age/

Now to be fair that particular one could be faked but I distinctly remember the panic over the "coming ice age" at the time and how we needed to warm the earth to avoid it or we're all going to die plastered on magazine covers
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Post by: Jim147 on February 14, 2024, 01:46:42 PM
And if you want an example how they're trying to change history google "the coming ice age" and you'll find a bunch of magazine covers in a article saying they're faked.
I remember a bunch but now they trying to say it never happened.

Example

The Real TIME Cover Behind That Fake ‘Ice Age’ Report
https://time.com/4778937/fake-time-cover-ice-age/

Now to be fair that particular one could be faked but I distinctly remember the panic over the "coming ice age" at the time and how we needed to warm the earth to avoid it or we're all going to die plastered on magazine covers

The Spock documentary is still online.
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Post by: Hawkmoon on February 14, 2024, 02:13:15 PM
Party like's 1978

Was that when Hollyweird made that movie about a sudden deep freeze crisis? I remember seeing the trailer, but I don't remember when and I can't remember the name of the film.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: Cliffh on February 14, 2024, 02:18:36 PM
Are you thinking of the 2004 movie  "The Day After Tomorrow"?

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on February 17, 2024, 07:16:22 AM
Are you thinking of the 2004 movie  "The Day After Tomorrow Trump"?

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow

They updated the title
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Post by: Hawkmoon on February 17, 2024, 09:21:37 AM
Are you thinking of the 2004 movie  "The Day After Tomorrow"?

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After_Tomorrow

Possibly, but 2004 seems too recent. I remember seeing trailers for it on television; by 2004 I was married to my late wife and I had pretty much ceased watching television. But it is possible.

[Edit to add]I just watched the trailer for The Day After Tomorrow on YouTube. I'm pretty certain that's not the movie I have in mind.
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Post by: MechAg94 on February 17, 2024, 12:02:59 PM
The Spock documentary is still online.
Leonard Nimoy Predicts An Ice Age Back In 1979. Fascinating!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQSBn50o_8M

In Search Of The Coming Ice Age ... With Leonard Nimoy (1978).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQRqr9_jw5I
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Post by: JTHunter on February 17, 2024, 05:00:22 PM
Isn't amazing how we have gone from a potential ice age to global"warming" in less than 25 years?  :facepalm:  [barf]
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Post by: WLJ on February 29, 2024, 02:17:48 PM
NY AG is suing the largest beef producer over climate change

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New York Attorney General Letitia James is suing JBS USA, the world's largest producer of beef, over the company's emissions and for "greenwashing" by allegedly misleading the public about its environmental impact.

Quote
"As families continue to face the daily impacts of the climate crisis, they are willing to spend more of their hard-earned money on products from brands that are better for the environment," James said in a statement. "When companies falsely advertise their commitment to sustainability, they are misleading consumers and endangering our planet."

"JBS USA’s greenwashing exploits the pocketbooks of everyday Americans and the promise of a healthy planet for future generations," she added. "My office will always ensure that companies do not abuse the environment and the trust of hardworking consumers for profit."

NY attorney general sues world's largest beef producer over methane emissions, climate commitments
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ny-attorney-general-sues-worlds-largest-beef-producer-methane-emissions-climate-commitment
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Post by: Jim147 on February 29, 2024, 02:28:48 PM
She has already cost the state over a billion dollars in new business. At some point the governor might have to kick her to the curb.
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Post by: MechAg94 on February 29, 2024, 02:33:41 PM
The local judge will probably rule that the DA doesn't have to prove anything.
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Post by: Ben on February 29, 2024, 03:06:20 PM
I wonder how much it would cost the beef producer to cut all ties with NY?

At some point, large corporations are going to have to decide that the loss of revenue in commie states like NY and CA is worth it in the long run. I can, off the top of my head, think of a half a dozen inconveniences that also increased the cost of something (lets start with cars) because these stupid states know that corps will fold for them, so they get to push their commie agendas on the rest of us.

It's time for corps to say "no", and while it might be detrimental to them in the short term, at some point, even the most progressive commie residents of states like CA will start complaining when they can't buy cars or other goods that are illegal in CA. Just like how San Francisco recently folded on "not doing business with conservative states". If you can't produce the goods and services yourself, your "punishments" against the producers will be short-lived.
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Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2024, 09:55:47 AM
How does that saying go? Oh yeah, stupid should hurt

Climate protestor start yelling at Sen Manchin, Manchin then gets up to confront the protester, and it appears not in a nice way, but then an aide or guard steps in between them and shows the protestor the door and the floor at the same time.

Quote
Clay Travis
@ClayTravis
Climate protester confronts West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin, gets wrecked:

https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/1763741241844318416

https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/03/02/climate-protester-sen-joe-manchin-n2393524
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Post by: Ben on March 02, 2024, 10:09:50 AM
^^^

Getting in someone's face should have consequences. Scream at me all you want from distance, but if you do that and get within arm's length, that's what bloody nose lessons are for. We would have way, way less of these commie protestors and antifa and their threatening, up close screaming if people didn't have to be worried about being locked up for clocking them once they got in personal space range.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on March 02, 2024, 10:15:12 AM
Watched it again and I just noticed Manchin gave the guard a helpful push  :rofl:

And oh

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“We just called Joe Manchin a sick f**k. We humiliated him in front of a herd of Harvard elites. He squared up. We held firm. Barbaric murderer, hideous fiend, he torches humanity and laughs,” the group @ClimateDefiance said on X. I wouldn’t call that holding “firm.”

"We held firm"
Before or after you hit the floor?
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Post by: Ben on March 22, 2024, 01:18:36 PM
John Kennedy has a little fun with a "climate expert" testifying before Congress.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/03/22/kennedy-climate-change-n2394276
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Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2024, 01:32:09 PM
John Kennedy has a little fun with a "climate expert" testifying before Congress.  :rofl:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/03/22/kennedy-climate-change-n2394276

Will bet good money the "expert" afterwards posted how he owned Kennedy
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Post by: MechAg94 on March 22, 2024, 04:17:20 PM
He wasn't there as an expert.  He was there as some sort of celebrity.  Waste of time him speaking to Congress.

That said, IMO it is typical of environmentalists.  They want to do great things, but have no idea about any details of what it would require and don't want to know. 
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Post by: Ben on March 22, 2024, 04:19:57 PM
He wasn't there as an expert. 

Yes, he wasn't a credentialed expert, but the dems called him in as an "expert" because he's a professional snowboarder and he had less snow to snowboard in last year than the year before.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: MechAg94 on March 22, 2024, 04:30:55 PM
Yes, he wasn't a credentialed expert, but the dems called him in as an "expert" because he's a professional snowboarder and he had less snow to snowboard in last year than the year before.
I gathered that from the video.   

Maybe Kennedy should have quizzed him about the levels of snow on the slopes in 1992 or 1983.  He only knows the few years he has been doing it.
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on March 22, 2024, 04:32:21 PM
Like calling Lebron James an expert on physics because he dribbles a basketball
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Post by: WLJ on March 30, 2024, 08:52:20 PM
Guess we'll have a ban EVs now

Quote
Oliya Scootercaster 🛴
@ScooterCasterNY
#BREAKING NY Autoshow COMES TO A HALT as Climate Activists splash OIL onto Electric Ford Truck during car parade. “NO ELECTRIC VEHICLES ON A DEAD PLANET” action against Electric vehicles
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1774078254040678693


Quote
@ScooterCasterNY
Climate Activists with @XR_NYC
 posted a press release:

"The construction of
electric vehicles is as carbon-intensive, if not more so, than that of conventional cars powered
by fossil fuels. More important, cars themselves damage the climate in many ways above and
beyond their gas consumption. Cars are constructed out of materials that are very difficult to
produce. The excessive steel in cars is incredibly climate-unfriendly to produce." said activists.
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1774080619053531204
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Post by: RocketMan on March 31, 2024, 08:41:54 AM
Guess we'll have a ban EVs now
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1774078254040678693

https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1774080619053531204

I think we all knew this was coming sooner or later.  These climate geeks want us all to live in caves, using stone knives and wearing bear skins.  Well, they'd be the only ones allowed to wear bear skins.  The rest of us would have run around nekkid.
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Post by: cordex on March 31, 2024, 08:52:23 AM
These climate geeks want us all to live […]
I bolded the word where you went wrong.
They do not want us to live at all.
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Post by: RocketMan on March 31, 2024, 09:03:45 AM
Good point, cordex.
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Post by: Perd Hapley on March 31, 2024, 09:41:35 AM
Guess we'll have a ban EVs now
https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1774078254040678693

https://twitter.com/ScooterCasterNY/status/1774080619053531204

This is beautiful, and the "ban EVs for Mother Earth" movement needs to grow. The reasons are these:
1. It divides and confuses the bad guys
2. It reveals that they are regressive and anti-human
3. Anything that slows the stupid EV craze is good.
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Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2024, 10:33:44 AM
Quote
I Meme Therefore I Am 🇺🇸
@ImMeme0
You know that your nation is in decline when you can no longer celebrate Easter services at St. Patrick's Cathedral because of eco-cult activists.

Short video

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1774431739189829893

Father Ain't HAVIN' It: Activists Try (Fail) Ruining Easter Services at St. Patrick's Cathedral (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/03/31/father-aint-havin-it-activists-try-fail-ruining-easter-services-at-st-patricks-cathedral-watch-n2394598
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Post by: Ben on March 31, 2024, 10:43:53 AM
Short video

https://twitter.com/ImMeme0/status/1774431739189829893

Father Ain't HAVIN' It: Activists Try (Fail) Ruining Easter Services at St. Patrick's Cathedral (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/samj/2024/03/31/father-aint-havin-it-activists-try-fail-ruining-easter-services-at-st-patricks-cathedral-watch-n2394598

These are just childish, horrible, and evil people.

Also, good point in the comments. Why do they not do this at Mosques as well?
Title: Re: GLOBAL WARMING ==> CLIMATE CHANGE ==> GLOOM & DOOM !!!!!
Post by: WLJ on March 31, 2024, 11:12:18 AM
Daily Mail is calling them Pro Palestine protesters. I really couldn't tell from the video

Protesters screaming 'Free Palestine' ambush Easter Vigil at St Patrick's Cathedral as horrified worshippers watch flag-holding demonstrators get tackled out of NYC's iconic church
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13257123/Protesters-Free-Palestine-Easter-Vigil-St-Patricks-Cathedral.html
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Post by: WLJ on April 05, 2024, 06:55:41 PM
Science!

SCIENCE! NBC Affiliate's Attempt to Link NY-Area Earthquake to Climate Change Is Beyond Parody
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/05/nbc-news-attempt-to-link-ny-area-earthquake-to-climate-change-is-beyond-parody-n2394789
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Post by: Hawkmoon on April 06, 2024, 02:09:01 AM
Seismologists have been warning us for decades that the east coast is overdue for a serious earthquake. It has nothing to do with "climate change."
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Post by: WLJ on April 06, 2024, 07:51:04 AM
And not the only one

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    I experienced my first earthquake in NJ. We never get earthquakes. The climate crisis is real.

    The weirdest experience ever.
    — Christina Amira Khalil (@Christina4NJ) April 5, 2024
NJ Senate Candidate on the Earthquake: It's Not the Fault's Fault, It's the Climate Crisis
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp/2024/04/05/nj-candidate-for-senate-blames-earthquake-on-climate-crisis-n2394793
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Post by: Ben on April 06, 2024, 09:41:25 AM
And not the only one
NJ Senate Candidate on the Earthquake: It's Not the Fault's Fault, It's the Climate Crisis
https://twitchy.com/fuzzychimp/2024/04/05/nj-candidate-for-senate-blames-earthquake-on-climate-crisis-n2394793

I like how in her quote prior to the earthquake she talked about how no candidate that doesn't understand science (in bold letters!) should be put into a position to make laws. In the meantime, her quote here is equivalent to "If we drill holes in their heads, we will release the evil spirits and cure them".
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Post by: Ben on April 06, 2024, 09:50:18 AM
Also, from the science side (if you are to give credence to their flawed thesis), with the Earth's water cycle essentially being a closed system, "rising sea levels" are essentially just redistributing the weight of a fixed amount of water over around 0.0001% of the Earth's surface (essentially the continental/marine interface). If that change has some probability of releasing some fault pressure to cause an earthquake, it has an equal probability to stabilize fault pressure and prevent a quake. And again, only over the continental/marine interface.
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Post by: JTHunter on April 06, 2024, 05:29:17 PM
In the meantime, her quote here is equivalent to "If we drill holes in their heads, we will release the evil spirits and cure them".

AKA "trepanation".  Still practiced in some tribal cultures and was used in Europe up into the Middle Ages.

Back in the "dark ages" when I was in college, a geophysical professor showed us evidence that the North American continent had been depressed into the mantle during the "Ice Ages".  Because of that incredible weight, he pointed out that even now, 10,000 years later, the northern parts of the continent were still "rebounding", albeit slowly.  The fractures in the crust that formed when the continent was pushed away from Europe by the forces of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge, are also part of what pushed up the Appalachian Mountains.  Quakes on the East Coast also travel further because of the more solid nature of the bedrock as opposed to the softer alluvial strata of the West Coast.  Those softer rocks, frequently sedimentary (shale, sandstone, etc.), absorb the quakes vibrations.
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Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2024, 07:06:09 AM
 :rofl:

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The Babylon Bee Editor-In-Chief Kyle Mann joked, "Gonna have a call with my Babylon Bee writers to figure out how we failed to come up with ‘the earthquake was caused by climate change’ before the libs did."

U.S. Senate candidate goes viral for blaming NY earthquake on climate change, deletes post
https://www.foxnews.com/media/u-s-senate-candidate-viral-blaming-ny-earthquake-climate-change-deletes-post
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Post by: Ben on April 07, 2024, 01:03:47 PM
I'm pretty sure I saw this in a TEOTWAWKI movie:

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/04/07/san-francisco-spraying-sodium-chloride-to-combat-global-warming-n2394816

I'm appalled at the hubris of the so-called scientists to just go ahead and do it. They are the same econazis who demand years long environmental impact reports before somebody drills a hole in the ground for oil. Or digs a hole in their backyard, for that matter.
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Post by: Cliffh on April 07, 2024, 01:34:46 PM

Isn't salt bad for things made of metal?  As in, it causes them to rust?

And I thought it was now "Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming".  Or has that changed again?
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Post by: Hawkmoon on April 07, 2024, 04:34:11 PM
In a refreshing switch from blaming everything on global warmulating/climate changing, there are now suggestions that Friday's earthquakes in New Jersey may have been caused by the impending solar eclipse:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/05/science/total-solar-eclipse-earthquake.html
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Post by: WLJ on April 07, 2024, 05:09:49 PM
Or maybe Chris Christie and Lizzo bumped into each other at the desert bar at the buffet trying to get the last slice of cheesecake
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Post by: MechAg94 on April 08, 2024, 12:34:32 PM
Isn't salt bad for things made of metal?  As in, it causes them to rust?

And I thought it was now "Climate Change" instead of "Global Warming".  Or has that changed again?
And the rust just causes more corrosion which leads to more mining and metals productions to replace the rusted metal. 

That won't actually affect global warming since it is a myth anyway.
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Post by: WLJ on April 08, 2024, 09:30:57 PM
 :facepalm:

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"The View" co-host Sunny Hostin blamed Monday’s solar eclipse, Friday’s earthquake and the expected cicada breeding season on "climate change."

"All those things together would maybe lead one to believe that either climate change exists, or something is really going on," she said Monday.
The View's Sunny Hostin blames eclipse, earthquake and cicadas on 'climate change'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-views-sunny-hostin-blames-eclipse-earthquake-cicadas-climate-change
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Post by: Hawkmoon on April 08, 2024, 11:03:58 PM
:facepalm:
The View's Sunny Hostin blames eclipse, earthquake and cicadas on 'climate change'
https://www.foxnews.com/media/the-views-sunny-hostin-blames-eclipse-earthquake-cicadas-climate-change

"Science"!
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Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2024, 07:27:20 AM
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength
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Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2024, 06:40:54 PM
And to continue the stupid when it comes to the moon

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    Democrat Rep. Sheila Jackson Lee: It's "almost impossible to go near the sun," but the "moon is more manageable" because it's "made up mostly of gases" (it isn't)pic.twitter.com/0t8CPI4QzW
    — RNC Research (@RNCResearch) April 9, 2024

Are they having a contest on saying the stupidest thing of the year?

Only Democrats Can Be This Stupid: Sheila Jackson Lee Says the Moon Is 'Mostly Gases' (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/04/09/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-the-moon-is-made-mostly-of-gases-n2394908
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Post by: Ben on April 09, 2024, 07:10:50 PM
And to continue the stupid when it comes to the moon

Are they having a contest on saying the stupidest thing of the year?

Only Democrats Can Be This Stupid: Sheila Jackson Lee Says the Moon Is 'Mostly Gases' (Watch)
https://twitchy.com/grateful-calvin/2024/04/09/rep-sheila-jackson-lee-the-moon-is-made-mostly-of-gases-n2394908

That video broke my brain. People actually elected this supermoron, and believe what she said.
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Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2024, 07:19:00 PM
Can't wait till she tells us about Uranus
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Post by: WLJ on April 09, 2024, 07:22:00 PM
The link to more of the video https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1777740890817073628

 :rofl:
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Post by: Hawkmoon on April 09, 2024, 08:44:50 PM
Vying for the Hank Johnson award: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjG958lZ1KI
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Post by: MechAg94 on April 09, 2024, 09:04:14 PM
That video broke my brain. People actually elected this supermoron, and believe what she said.
A few years back, she asked NASA if the Mars probe could see the flag the astronauts planted.  I am not sure which is worse.
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Post by: JTHunter on April 09, 2024, 11:33:15 PM
War is peace
Freedom is slavery
Ignorance is strength

 :facepalm: Okay George.  :rofl:
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Post by: Ben on April 10, 2024, 07:34:11 AM
Also, one of Lee's jobs was:

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ackson Lee, who once led the House Science Committee’s space subcommittee, made several false statements that stunned a crowd of teenagers at Booker T. Washington High School during Monday’s solar eclipse.

She also responded to criticism by claiming that "Yes, I misspoke and those right wing extremists are making a big deal about it. I meant the sun."  :rofl:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spaced-out-sheila-jackson-lee-tells-texas-students-planet-moon-made-up-gases
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Post by: cordex on April 10, 2024, 07:51:49 AM
Sheila Jackson Lee Says the Moon Is 'Mostly Gases'
Sheila, with you everything's gas.
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Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2024, 11:19:41 AM
Y'all a bunch of "foolish thinkers"

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    Obviously I misspoke and meant to say the sun, but as usual, Republicans are focused on stupid things instead of stuff that really matters.

    What can I say though, foolish thinkers lust for stupidity! https://t.co/ABGxUdRqF6
    — Sheila Jackson Lee (@JacksonLeeTX18) April 9, 2024

Coming from someone who's been a never-ending supply of stupidity.
No you didn't misspeak, you repeated it several times.

Sheila Jackson Lee Says Right's 'Lust for Stupidity' to Blame for Mockery of Her Sun/Moon Doozy
https://twitchy.com/dougp/2024/04/10/sheila-jackson-lee-slams-republicans-for-being-focused-on-stupid-things-like-what-she-said-n2394934
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Post by: Hawkmoon on April 10, 2024, 12:27:04 PM
Also, one of Lee's jobs was:

She also responded to criticism by claiming that "Yes, I misspoke and those right wing extremists are making a big deal about it. I meant the sun."  :rofl:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/spaced-out-sheila-jackson-lee-tells-texas-students-planet-moon-made-up-gases

Yes, she misspoke (obviously), but she didn't mean the Sun. She mentioned both the Sun and the Moon in her rambling mental dump.
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Post by: Ben on April 10, 2024, 01:39:30 PM
Yes, she misspoke (obviously), but she didn't mean the Sun. She mentioned both the Sun and the Moon in her rambling mental dump.

Though the point would be that if she had actually meant the sun, it would be even stupider, since she was saying that humans can live on the moon because of "the gases".
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Post by: WLJ on April 10, 2024, 04:43:16 PM
Enter the Babylon Bee

Sheila Jackson Lee Named Head Of Harvard Astronomy Department
https://babylonbee.com/news/sheila-jackson-lee-named-head-of-harvard-astronomy-department

American Transition To Idiocracy Running Ahead Of Schedule
https://babylonbee.com/news/american-transition-to-idiocracy-running-ahead-of-schedule

Sheila Jackson Lee Asks Why Elon Musk Wants To Colonize Mars Since It’s Just A Giant Ball Of Spaghetti Sauce
https://babylonbee.com/news/sheila-jackson-lee-asks-why-elon-musk-wants-to-colonize-mars-since-its-just-a-giant-ball-of-spaghetti-sauce
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Post by: JTHunter on April 13, 2024, 11:26:37 PM
Was it Lee or some other pol who made the comment about a Pacific island "flipping over"?
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Post by: bedlamite on April 13, 2024, 11:35:22 PM
Was it Lee or some other pol who made the comment about a Pacific island "flipping over"?

Hank Johnson

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cesSRfXqS1Q