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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: lupinus on November 09, 2012, 03:21:43 PM
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Convenient timing? Nahhhhhh
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/11/09/petraeus-resigns-as-cia-director/
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I think I saw this in Godfather I...
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I stated to my friend that I was hoping he was just keeping his mouth shut in hopes that Romney would get in and then he could spill the beans without destroying his career. I'm truly praying that with that option gone his resignation is just a prelude to exposing the entire Benghazi affair to the public.
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You think Petraeus wasn't made an offer he couldn't refuse? And that suggests he'll remain silent.
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Maybe he just doesn't want to work for that man another 4 years.
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15054517-cia-director-david-petraeus-resigns-cites-extramarital-affair?lite
Can you say BlackMail?
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My Christian wife with a civil tongue has been saying a lot of bad words since the election, she just walked through the room shouting B,,, S,,, when she heard it the announcement on the radio. She doesn't believe for a minute that it doesn't have something to do with the Benghazi mess. She's saying really bad words about anybody associated with the Obama admin.
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That brings tears to my eyes
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Maybe he just doesn't want to work for that man another 4 years.
So rather than just resigning he resigns in disgrace. Uh-huh, I get it.
He took the better of the two bad courses is my guess. The other was to sit in a bathtub and open his veins...
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So rather than just resigning he resigns in disgrace. Uh-huh, I get it.
He took the better of the two bad courses is my guess. The other was to sit in a bathtub and open his veins...
I wouldn't be surprised to hear of a previously undiagnosed heart condition suddenly becoming a problem [tinfoil]
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Petraeus didn't just resign, he resigned with a letter that, to this observer, reads as if someone were standing at his shoulder. There is a time for saying less rather than more, and this was one of those times. This was an Oprah moment, not a Petraeus moment, and I think we can surmise who directed this scene.
Another thing: why was the FBI investigating Petraeus? Because he might have been having an offer? Is this normal procedure?
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Is it possible that Petraeus was in some way responsible for the Benghazi failure, and this is the best out he could get?
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Possible sure, but I doubt it.
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http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/09/15054517-cia-director-david-petraeus-resigns-cites-extramarital-affair?lite
Can you say BlackMail?
Yeah...
My SWAG on how it went down:
Someone close to Obama, maybe Valerie Jerett?: You need to keep this [Benghazi screwup] secret.
Petraeus: To hell with that!
SCTOMVJ: If you don't we'll leak your affair.
Petraeus: *expletive deleted* YOU! I'll do it my own self, then spill the beans!
SCTOMVJ: *soils self*
Well, a guy can dream, can't he? =|
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Or the affair is simply an excuse to get him out of the seat for a reason other than Benghazi.
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I have a very good friend who has a number of associates who have worked closely with Gen. Petraeus in the past. I will 2nd what Regolith said. Not a necessarily a SWAG, actually maybe a fact.
Gen Petraeus is a human and capable of bad judgment as are we all. However, that does not mean he is defined in toto by his bad judgment with respect to an affair. You can bet your bottom dollar that Jarrett has the goods regarding skeletons in the closet on every Obama appointee.
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I worked for Petraeus and he is the smartest man I ever knew in uniform. He also had a deep sense of honor and always tried to stay the straight and narrow. I think the fact that he betrayed his wife literally ate at his soul. He is that kind of man.
Occam's Razor: Once found out via the FBI, he felt a personal obligation to lay down his sword because he could no longer lead as a compromised man at the agency. Eisenhower did it and felt no remorse because that is who he was but he did not have the high degree of personal honor I always observed in GEN P.
Insufficient information allows no further speculation. Who knows?
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A respected intelligence officer (military) has speculated that the Obama folks have known about this affair for some time and just held it in their pocket to use for just such an opportunity. Obviously, the timing is more than just a little coincidental.
I buy that assessment, but (being a guy who has never met a conspiracy theory I didn't like), I propose that the general was set up. Suppose this biographer was a plant from the outset? She didn't write the book -- she had a co-writer, whose name is on the cover. Usually, when a VIP "writes" a bio he/she is listed as the author, and the ghost writer may or may not even be acknowledged. If this woman were a real writer, why did she need a co-author?
My guess is that she was a plant ... in just the way the Russians perennially try to get sexy females to sleep with our diplomatic (and intelligence) people both over there and at home. Being a classic military straight arrow, Petraeus fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So now he's sunk.
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I'm truly praying that with that option gone his resignation is just a prelude to exposing the entire Benghazi affair to the public.
What would he be waiting for? Why not do that right away?
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Or the affair is simply an excuse to get him out of the seat for a reason other than Benghazi.
I'd go with this, plus they probably have something worse on him, or have threatened worse (mysteriously undiagnosed long-standing heart or brain conditions), if he opens his mouth. I suspect he rather cheesed off Obama and his puppet master Jarrett when he didn't hurl himself under the bus on cue (Obama: It's the CIA's fault! Petraeus: Like hell it is!)
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My guess is that she was a plant ... in just the way the Russians perennially try to get sexy females to sleep with our diplomatic (and intelligence) people both over there and at home. Being a classic military straight arrow, Petraeus fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So now he's sunk.
This....heard an interview clip on the radio just now....she admitted manipulating the situation so she could get info from him. IMHO, that's a confession of espionage and should be treated as such....
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I wonder if simply resigning will really keep him from having to testify. Story (http://www.theblaze.com/stories/rep-trey-gowdy-either-petraeus-will-testify-voluntarily-over-benghazi-or-we-will-subpoena-him/)
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These things are not turned into circuses unless "someone" wants a public circus. Resignation is one thing, resignation with humiliation is quite another. This was a purge.
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This....heard an interview clip on the radio just now....she admitted manipulating the situation so she could get info from him. IMHO, that's a confession of espionage and should be treated as such....
Paula Broadwell was his biographer. And the FBI was investigating the situation because someone made allegations that she had access to his email. So, her job was getting information from him. But his responsibility was not giving her any classified information.
You could argue who he slept with was his own business, unless his partner was an espionage agent or whatnot. This would be borderline espionage, at the moment. More details will becoming out.
My guess is that she was a plant ... in just the way the Russians perennially try to get sexy females to sleep with our diplomatic (and intelligence) people both over there and at home. Being a classic military straight arrow, Petraeus fell for it hook, line, and sinker. So now he's sunk.
Mrs Broadwell is a US Army officer, a Major in the Reserves, and a journalist.
I'm not entirely sure, but I highly suspect she could face trial as a military officer for illegally accessing classified material in furtherance of her journalist career. That has occurred before. I'm aware of an officer that was hoarding TS documents on private computer. He had legitimate access to those files, but not for private archive. Under interrogation he admitted he was planning on writing a book. His defense was swearing that he did not intend on revealing anything classified. He was convicted of mishandling classified documents.
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My guess is that she was a plant ... in just the way the Russians perennially try to get sexy females to sleep with our diplomatic (and intelligence) people both over there and at home. Being a classic military straight arrow, Petraeus fell for it hook, line, and sinker.
Was she naked and articulate ? =|
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My boss brought this one up today
(i think since her daughters ban on talking politics in the workplace, Louise has been going a bit bonkers since tuesday. Katie left early yesterday and isn't going to be in all weekend. So Louise has been going nonstop since yesterday. She has to get her political ranting out of her system while she can.)
I belive she also used the term "B-S" as well as her go to "Their all full of S-".
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Mrs Broadwell is a US Army officer, a Major in the Reserves, and a journalist.
I heard on the Nooz, she was recently promoted to LtC. [tinfoil]
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Mrs Broadwell is a US Army officer, a Major in the Reserves, and a journalist.
I'm not entirely sure, but I highly suspect she could face trial as a military officer for illegally accessing classified material in furtherance of her journalist career.
She could also face a court martial for adultery. That's still against the rules under the UCMJ, I believe.
Or does it only count if she wears her uniform while seducing the victim?
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She could also face a court martial for adultery. That's still against the rules under the UCMJ, I believe.
Or does it only count if she wears her uniform while seducing the victim?
I think it only counts if you're enlisted or not politically connected. =|
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No one seriously believes he was cashiered for infidelity, do they? I mean, c'mon. And who says he gave her classified information or would have? Is there any reason to believe that?
The fact is, he could have resigned, as most do, for "personal reasons." No, they chose to force him into humiliation and disgrace.
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No one seriously believes he was cashiered for infidelity, do they? I mean, c'mon. And who says he gave her classified information or would have? Is there any reason to believe that?
The fact is, he could have resigned, as most do, for "personal reasons." No, they chose to force him into humiliation and disgrace.
Well, you are going to have to make it a bit clearer for me...
If he has info about Benghazi, then why not get him out quietly?
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Well, you are going to have to make it a bit clearer for me...
If he has info about Benghazi, then why not get him out quietly?
Pour encourager les autres.
Not saying that is what happened in this case. However, that could be a reason to very publicly humiliate this man. Fits with Chicago politics, too.
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Damage his credibility by forcing public a story about an affair, and then nobody will believe what he has to say.
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Don't worry, Longeyes, there's always a chance he will "kill himself in shame" in the future...maybe he'll even do it in the Fort Marcey Park?
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Patraeus doesn't matter. A full investigation will be launched. George Bush will be the culprit.
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Damage his credibility by forcing public a story about an affair, and then nobody will believe what he has to say.
I think monkeyleg is onto something.
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That is exactly what I meant: resignation, discrete, is one thing; public humiliation another. This is no by-the-book resignation in the face of scandal.
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you fellers following the story at all?
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That is exactly what I meant: resignation, discrete, is one thing; public humiliation another. This is no by-the-book resignation in the face of scandal.
Actually, it is. FBI is tipped off that someone may have unauthorized access to classified information. FBI investigates, and finds evidence that the Director of the CIA is nailing that someone. Yea, that is generally not good. If they're high enough up the foodchain, they resign and don't face charges. If they're not high enough up the foodchain, they face charges.
I believe Mr Patraeus voluntarily admitted the affair was his reason? And the whole FBI part?
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Benghazi, Benschmazi. Petreus was kept on in the service and given the CIA to keep him out of electoral politics and the 2012 election.
Now that 2012 is past, it is time to spin him off and hopefully destroy him as a threat in 2016. If they can smear his testimony n Benghazi, so much the better.
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Actually, it is. FBI is tipped off that someone may have unauthorized access to classified information. FBI investigates, and finds evidence that the Director of the CIA is nailing that someone. Yea, that is generally not good. If they're high enough up the foodchain, they resign and don't face charges. If they're not high enough up the foodchain, they face charges.
I believe Mr Patraeus voluntarily admitted the affair was his reason? And the whole FBI part?
Okay what was the classified information that Broadwell had access to...?
So every politician with a security clearance should have to resign if he has an affair, that what you are saying? That would be a long line, I think, if all were to come to light.
The issue, again, is not the resignation, it is the manner of it. Not kosher.
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Benghazi, Benschmazi. Petreus was kept on in the service and given the CIA to keep him out of electoral politics and the 2012 election.
Now that 2012 is past, it is time to spin him off and hopefully destroy him as a threat in 2016. If they can smear his testimony n Benghazi, so much the better.
And this.
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Benghazi, Benschmazi. Petreus was kept on in the service and given the CIA to keep him out of electoral politics and the 2012 election.
Now that 2012 is past, it is time to spin him off and hopefully destroy him as a threat in 2016. If they can smear his testimony n Benghazi, so much the better.
Pretty much my take. He is bumped out and the government still has the goods on him. Afterall, they do control his pension. He won't say much even if they sopena him.
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roo_ster has it right. Petraeus was an electoral danger. He's served his time and now assuming his proper location under the bus. Problem is, his is in a better position to cause more damage to Obama et al than if he was DCIA. Is his career over? Not hardly. He'll pull down $75,000 to $100,000 per speech. He's only begun to make money, which is the precursor to running for political office.
Petraeus is Obama's worst nightmare.
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roo_ster has it right. Petraeus was an electoral danger. He's served his time and now assuming his proper location under the bus. Problem is, his is in a better position to cause more damage to Obama et al than if he was DCIA. Is his career over? Not hardly. He'll pull down $75,000 to $100,000 per speech. He's only begun to make money, which is the precursor to running for political office.
Petraeus is Obama's worst nightmare.
And that's why it appears they're trying so hard to destroy his credibility in the media. "You can't trust what he says about what we did in Benghazi, just look, he's an adulterer!!! Shaaaaame! Shaaaaaame! Shun the heretic!"
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And that's why it appears they're trying so hard to destroy his credibility in the media. "You can't trust what he says about what we did in Benghazi, just look, he's an adulterer!!! Shaaaaame! Shaaaaaame! Shun the heretic!"
Not so oddly, I just clicked a MSM article on the topic and the photo caption included, "The shamed former General..."
Never saw such during the Clinton fiasco or after in the MSM. Certainly not while he was stumping for BHO.
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The varied reports coming out now are getting rather bizarre. His wife knew about the affair. A close family friend is who contacted the FBI. A whistleblower started the investigation. Broadwell told reporters about prisoners in the CIA Annex, which may, or may not, have been classified information. Just to name a few.
It looks to me like a big bowl of information, misinformation, and targeted misinformation from all sides. I think it's going to take a while to separate the wheat from the chaff.
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Chaff is a very kind term for what we are swimming in here.
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Wow. I'm on another board where several of the people think Petraeus should get a complete and total pass and be reinstated because "He wouldn't have betrayed the United States," and "The media is making this into something that it's not."
What *expletive deleted*ing idiots.
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Petraeus is just a minor figure in Obama's HAMLET. But something is rotten in alll of Denmark.
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Wasn't Patraeus singing the same tune about a video being the cause of the embassy attack?
What a way to end a career, dishonorable *expletive deleted*ck.
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Echoes of Longeyes:
http://pjmedia.com/michaelledeen/2012/11/10/the-petraeus-espionage-file/?singlepage=true
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Yeah, Petraeus came out with the film excuse. Not long after that CIA came out with an uncharacteristically blunt statement saying reports the CIA denied help was false. That one statement caused me to whip around because I sensed trouble amongst the spooks. I suspect Obama et al had the lowdown on Petraeus' activities for a good while and kept it on the back burner just in case they needed to muscle him. I suspect Petraeus began to push back after is became clear CIA would be blamed for an intelligence failure. Obama being the thug he is confronted Petraeus telling him he will be under the bus. Petraeus countered by resigning.
I also suspect Petraeus has top flight legal help. He's not the kind of guy to give in to thuggery unless someone has a gun to his loved one's head. In any case he would well become the front man for opposition to Obama.
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One word comes to mind: PURGE.
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One word comes to mind: PURGE.
Political bulimia? Binge and purge...
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It is time to re- read I, Claudius.
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So, about that whole 9/11 fiasco . . .
The president . . . what was he doing again?
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Watching it live and direct as it unfolded. :mad: :mad: :mad:
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Fwiw: the thousands of emails were probably text/chat messages. Gmail counts them as emails.
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I forget if it was Wired or Gizmodo that reported today that Patraeus and Broadwell were actually writing emails to each other and putting them in the drafts folder of a shared account. Rather than send emails back and forth, each would login to the account at different times and read and respond to each other in strictly in the drafts folder.
I suppose it would eliminate the chance for interception of sent mail, but the drafts folder has to be sitting on a server somewhere that .gov could likely access one way or another.
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I forget if it was Wired or Gizmodo that reported today that Patraeus and Broadwell were actually writing emails to each other and putting them in the drafts folder of a shared account. Rather than send emails back and forth, each would login to the account at different times and read and respond to each other in strictly in the drafts folder.
I suppose it would eliminate the chance for interception of sent mail, but the drafts folder has to be sitting on a server somewhere that .gov could likely access one way or another.
I saw that technique in the movie "Traitor".
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I suppose it would eliminate the chance for interception of sent mail, but the drafts folder has to be sitting on a server somewhere that .gov could likely access one way or another.
Which, in fact, the Alphabet Boys did.
This just gets dumber and dumber. Article on Military.com http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/11/13/petraeus-affair-could-end-broadwells-army-career.html?ESRC=army.nl
Broadwell supposedly has a Top Secret security clearance. Now, I admit it has been awhile since I was in, and I only had Secret, not Top Secret, but I don't think the rules have changed that much: regardless of your level of clearance, it doesn't give you carte blanche access to everything at that level of security. ALL classified information is (or so I believed) on a "need to know" basis. If you don't need it -- you don't read it, and I don't care a fig what your clearance is.
So check this out:
During an appearance in July at the Aspen Security Forum in Colorado, Broadwell said she had a Top Secret clearance and routinely had access to high-level briefings with Petraeus and other Army and intelligence officials while in Afghanistan.
"I was entrusted with this opportunity to sit in on high level meetings with General Petraeus,” she said. “Sitting in on SCIF [sensitive compartmented information facility] meetings in the morning, listen to classified chatter of terrorist talk and so forth.”
Mind you, she wasn't even there as a military officer -- she was there as a civilian, researching a book. I don't care how many stars Petraeus had, if he gave this broad access to classified briefings, he was acting WAY beyond any authority he had.
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Broadwell supposedly has a Top Secret security clearance. Now, I admit it has been awhile since I was in, and I only had Secret, not Top Secret, but I don't think the rules have changed that much: regardless of your level of clearance, it doesn't give you carte blanche access to everything at that level of security. ALL classified information is (or so I believed) on a "need to know" basis. If you don't need it -- you don't read it, and I don't care a fig what your cleasrance is.\
Bingo!
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Yeah, Petraeus came out with the film excuse. Not long after that CIA came out with an uncharacteristically blunt statement saying reports the CIA denied help was false. That one statement caused me to whip around because I sensed trouble amongst the spooks. I suspect Obama et al had the lowdown on Petraeus' activities for a good while and kept it on the back burner just in case they needed to muscle him. I suspect Petraeus began to push back after is became clear CIA would be blamed for an intelligence failure. Obama being the thug he is confronted Petraeus telling him he will be under the bus. Petraeus countered by resigning.
I also suspect Petraeus has top flight legal help. He's not the kind of guy to give in to thuggery unless someone has a gun to his loved one's head. In any case he would well become the front man for opposition to Obama.
To the detriment of the Liberty movement in 2016.
1. Make the Benghazi issue another birther/contrail/9-11-was-an-inside-job issue.
2. Carefully nurse it for 3 more years, have it take irrelevant limelight in 2015.
3. Use this as the rabblerabblerabble talking point to drown out the next up-and-coming libertarian threat to both parties. Who needs balanced budgets, fed reserve audits, austrian economics, or reduced imperial interventionism when we can have a new left wing anti-Bush to blame for 4 or 8 years instead? "Our mideast foreign policy? That's Obama's fault!1!1!eleventyone!"
The last thing we need is a GOP warbird driving discourse for the next 3+ years.
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Whatever happened to The Stern Roman? Geez Louise.
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Obama auroral musings: Discredit the military...might blunt future antidote of a military protectorate...thinking ahead...