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Title: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: vaskidmark on May 13, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
Ahnold has threated "fiscal armegeddon" for Cali by budget moves that will lay off just about everybody who used to be called "essential" - teachers, police, firefighters, prison guards, hospitals, and a minor provision that would bar legislators from raising their pay during an economic emergency.

Unfortunately he has submitted each proposal as an individual budget bill.  So far it seems only the legislative pay raise provision has any real public support.

So, my question is - do we sell Cali back to Spain or to Mexico, or will there be an auction like they hold for farms that go bankrupt?  If the latter, do you folks want to see how much credit we can pool for our bid?

stay safe.

skidmark
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: LadySmith on May 13, 2009, 01:40:49 PM
Ah, the old "quit spending, raise taxes or else" ploy that we've lived with for so long.

Our legislators won't quit spending because that's all they seem to know how to do.

The people are refusing more taxes because of the economy. Can't get blood from a turnip as they say.

The "or else" sounds interesting.

If CA is put up for auction, be sure to bring money...and guns.  =D
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: HankB on May 13, 2009, 03:47:53 PM
Well, he could stop welfare, medicaid, education for illegal aliens, food stamps, etc., . . . but cutting THOSE programs wouldn't hurt the people actually PAYING for them, so they might not care.  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: Scout26 on May 13, 2009, 03:52:34 PM
I say that those states in serious fiscal trouble could easily cut 50% of their budget and no one would notice....
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: makattak on May 13, 2009, 03:53:57 PM
I say that those states in serious fiscal trouble could easily cut 50% of their budget and no one would notice....

That's the problem! These states have to make sure what they cut WILL BE what people notice!

They aren't supposed to survive on less! That's what the little people do!
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: AZRedhawk44 on May 13, 2009, 04:08:54 PM
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Ahnold has threated "fiscal armegeddon" for Cali by budget moves that will lay off just about everybody who used to be called "essential" - teachers, police, firefighters, prison guards, hospitals, and a minor provision that would bar legislators from raising their pay during an economic emergency.

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Well, he could stop welfare, medicaid, education for illegal aliens, food stamps, etc.,

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I say that those states in serious fiscal trouble could easily cut 50% of their budget and no one would notice....

Funny how they want to shut down the core elements of government rather than the crap that the leeches live off of.
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: buzz_knox on May 13, 2009, 04:12:49 PM
Ahnold has threated "fiscal armegeddon" for Cali by budget moves that will lay off just about everybody who used to be called "essential" - teachers, police, firefighters, prison guards, hospitals, and a minor provision that would bar legislators from raising their pay during an economic emergency.

Why don't they start with nonessential personnel like bureaucrats?  Oh, I forgot.  If they don't start with people who actually provide services citizens needs, the citizens won't be frightened and intimidated into supporting higher taxes.
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: Leatherneck on May 13, 2009, 07:49:51 PM
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Our legislators won't quit spending because that's all they seem to know how to do.

 Oh no, LS: they know how to restrict the rights of the billpayers too. It's *because they can* dontcha know.

TC
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: HankB on May 14, 2009, 02:20:34 PM
Why don't they start with nonessential personnel like bureaucrats? 
This reminds me of a time I remember some years back when I was still living in Minnesota, and virtually all State employees went on strike.

There were some problems at U of MN, where students had longer lines to stand in as they were trying to sign up for classes, but aside from that . . . firemen kept fighting fires, policemen kept policing, ambulances and hospitals kept running, roads kept being fixed, electricity and water stayed on, schools stayed open, (notice that most of these are not STATE employees!) . . . the services people actually want kept operating.

In short, if not for stories on the nightly news about the strike, most people wouldn't have noticed.

The union settled as this began to be pointed out in letters to the editor, local radio call-in shows, etc.
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: Antibubba on May 15, 2009, 12:54:34 AM
He's bluffing.  He always puts forth the "SkyNet" scenarios in an attempt to pass the unpalatable.  The Props are going down in a big way, and though Arnold Kennedegger has blustered before and had to back down (Correctional Officers Union, anyone?), he doesn't seem to get it.

Or maybe he does, and doesn't want a bankrupt California as his legacy.

Hasta la vista, Cali!
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: LadySmith on May 15, 2009, 04:49:33 AM
Word now is the Gov wants to sell San Quentin.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/nationalbreaking/ci_12364425   

C'mon guys, pony up. You know it would make an awesome port for us APS pirates.  :lol:




Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: vaskidmark on May 15, 2009, 08:01:04 AM
Word now is the Gov wants to sell San Quentin.

http://www.santacruzsentinel.com/nationalbreaking/ci_12364425   

C'mon guys, pony up. You know it would make an awesome port for us APS pirates.  :lol:

As much as I like the idea of an APS pirate port, I can see buying up the various fairgrounds as a better, and perhaps less expensive, first option.  We can hold gunshows where evil black-, pink-, and other -colored rifles can be had by the plebes.  If we own the venue, we can do the transfers ourselves, thus loosening the restrictions imposed by the Cali waiting period.  Also, a little judicious moving of earth could create appropriate berms for some serious long-distance ranges.

How close to the beach is the Ventura County Fairground?  I'm thinking of a new meaning for 'surf & turf'!  =D

What say you?  Fairgrounds first, then plow the profits into a seaside fortress?

stay safe.

skidmark
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: BryanP on May 15, 2009, 01:25:53 PM
Awww hell.  I thought you said Fistful Armageddon.   This is something else entirely.  Never mind.   

Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: cslinger on May 15, 2009, 01:39:21 PM
Fiscal Armageddon!!!!!!

Everybody get to da choppa!!!!
Title: Re: Fiscal armageddon
Post by: Marnoot on May 15, 2009, 01:40:36 PM
Fiscal Armageddon!!!!!!

Everybody get to da choppa!!!!

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