Gun Company (H-S Precision) hires thug/murderer LON HORIUCHI as spokeperson

[freakazoid]

I don't see anything mentally defective about that.

[Waitone]

Not only was she married to a gun nut, she is a person of religion.  Can't have that, can we?

[Uncle Bubba]

I see your point, casd, but don't entirely agree with it.

Near-lunatic fringe religious nutjobs, yes. But, he took his family to the real lunatic fringe nutjobs' church and didn't like it so he never went back. They may be birds of a feather in some ways but he didn't flock with them.

Dangerous criminals, no. He knew when the Feds showed up post-haste after the shotgun sale that it was a setup. The whole shitbag happened because the Feds were pissed that he didn't kowtow when they put his nuts in a wringer.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

so you are trying to assert that he was unaware that the shotguns were illegal?

[Uncle Bubba]

Don't be deliberately obtuse. It's not entertaining to anyone but you.


I'll restate, since you are making an effort to not get it although several of us have pointed it out in different ways: Maybe he cut them down to the illegal length because he thought he was doing a small favor for an an acquaintance while also making a buck. Maybe he made a mistake in the length when he cut them. Maybe they were legal when cut and the Feds re-cut them so a case could be made. In any event, the whole deal was a set-up by the Feds of a man who wanted nothing to do with them, so much so that he'd moved his family to the boondocks to avoid them. But they were miffed that he wouldn't bend his knee when they told him to and had to show him who was Boss. Now do you get it, or should I use smaller words?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

generally when someone answers a yes or no question with a paragraph they are trying to avoid an answer that leads where they don't want to go. is wife and kid died
don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
i think its a crying shame his wife and kid died.
and its a damn shame the government couldn't let him be. but as someone observed you will be judged by the company you keep. i admire him for not turning informant and i'll wager he wishes he hadn't allowed himself to be conned by the informant. but one truism i've observed is you can't con a truly honest man.  and weaver was no dummy  not too many green berets that aren't bright

[ArfinGreebly]

Three Million Dollars.

Damages.

For wrongful death and stuff.

I think the point was made, regardless of any failure to prosecute.

I presume that whoever awarded that judgment had more facts at hand than I do.

I bow to their better informed opinion.

[Regolith]

Three Million Dollars.

Damages.

For wrongful death and stuff.

I think the point was made, regardless of any failure to prosecute.

I presume that whoever awarded that judgment had more facts at hand than I do.

I bow to their better informed opinion.

$3.1 million, actually.  Randy Weaver got $100,000, each of the three surviving children got $1 mil.

And all of the original charges were dropped against Randy Weaver, save for missing his original court date.  Seems to me that the charges wouldn't have been dropped unless there was something seriously wrong with the foundations of the charges related to the short barrel shotguns.

In other words, either he was entrapped or he didn't actually do it.

[MicroBalrog]

You do of course realize that Weaver was ultimately acquitted of the gun charges? Not that I care either way, of course.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

you do realize the cash was an out of court settlement?
and i agree the case was fubar   coulda been tossed if the gov didn't drop it on their own uncle sam is funny bout not showing for court though

[MicroBalrog]

you do realize the cash was an out of court settlement?

Why do you think people settle?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

generally 2 reasons.  cost and to keep dirty laundry private.

[Tuco]

Why do you think people corporations and ABCs settle?

generally 2 reasons.  cost and to keep dirty laundry private.

Fixed it for ya.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

people settle for the same reason.  why do you think weaver settled?

[HankB]

Why do you think people settle?

generally 2 reasons.  cost and to keep dirty laundry private.

The real question is, if they had any case at all, why did THE GOVERNMENT, with armies of lawyers, unlimited time, and an unlimited budget, decide to settle?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

see above posts for why

you don't think weaver had ambulance chasers fist fighting for his case? dead son unarmed wife shot in head while holding the baby? there was lawyer drool on the floor.

[Jamisjockey]

Now do you get it, or should I use smaller words?

Try'n keep it civil!

[Manedwolf]

I think few here believe Randy Weaver was the sort of guy they'd like to have as a neighbor (though I've had worse) - his separatist beliefs kill his popularity. Understandably, a lot of people don't want to listen to him about that, and the general media is not about to put the Weavers on a pedestal. Now, if he were an ACLU member, maybe things would be different . . .

We did have one of that sort here, Brown, the tax fraud nut who swore to kill the families of law enforcement.

Though we also have a shockingly competent marshal here who managed to capture a "you won't take me alive" sort who was constantly armed...without a shot fired and without anyone getting hurt, simply by outsmarting him.

[Uncle Bubba]

Generally, people who are being deliberately obtuse are just doing it to entertain themselves and be a puddin' stick.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Generally, people who are being deliberately obtuse are just doing it to entertain themselves and be a puddin' stick.

generally folks hate when they use a quote that works against em so well. the one about being judged by the company you keep vis a vis weaver and those nice aryan nation boys he was "helping out" with the sawed offs being a case in point

[Uncle Bubba]

Rass.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

i just don't seem to be able to grap the subtle shadings that make a company like hs using a letter of endorsement from a person of rank in a government agency that chose their product is bad because the guy who wrote the letter did something horrific. where as randy weaver chosing to go several times to see the boyscouts at the aryan nation and agreeing to supply them with weapons (that you gotta figure a a guy smart enough to be a green beret knew were illegal) is ok. and that he should get a mulligan on those actions

[mtnbkr]

goin' nowhere fast...