Author Topic: Sub/ship collision pics... (Read 7503 times)

280plus · « **on:** March 23, 2009, 01:43:38 PM »

happened last week in the Strait of Hormuz. Pic of the sub damage anyways. The Hartford no less. CT can't stay out of the news for anything these days. With our chimps and gators we've been causing quite a stir already.

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Gewehr98 · « **Reply #1 on:** March 23, 2009, 01:48:29 PM »

There's a bit of a list to that sail.

It isn't bending over anywhere near as hard as the now-former commander of that U-Boat, though.

Standing Wolf · « **Reply #2 on:** March 23, 2009, 01:49:33 PM »

Well, yeah, but did the bender bender lead to a shoot-out? Were many innocent bystanders caught in the cross fire?

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 23, 2009, 01:52:04 PM »

Between two U.S. ships?

The collision was between the U.S.S. Hartford (attack sub) and U.S.S. New Orleans (Amphibious Assault Ship)

Probably not, although I'd wager the careers of the two skippers involved will be somewhat shortened.

MillCreek · « **Reply #4 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:03:30 PM »

Wow, looking at the damage to the sail, this is going to be expensive. Not just pounding out the dents and calling it good. I bet they have to cut off the sail, repair it and the underlying structural frames and remount it. It does not look as if the sub can currently submerge.

Gewehr98 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:06:14 PM »

BTW, did anybody notice that our friend 280 is one post away from 10K?

HankB · « **Reply #6 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:11:29 PM »

Unless they were having a joint exercise and the New Orleans suddenly zigged when they should've zagged, most of the cr@p will land on the sub's skipper.

AZRedhawk44 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:17:23 PM »

Quote from: HankB on March 23, 2009, 02:11:29 PM

Unless they were having a joint exercise and the New Orleans suddenly zigged when they should've zagged, most of the cr@p will land on the sub's skipper.

Ditto. Why the heck would you be submerged, but still within keel range, in a busy shipping channel? A Nimitz-class carrier only has a 40 foot draft, and I bet this ship had 20-30 feet. They've gotta have better tools than periscope for navigating shipping channels...

Ex-MA Hole · « **Reply #8 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:18:44 PM »

Quote from: Gewehr98 on March 23, 2009, 02:06:14 PM

BTW, did anybody notice that our friend 280 is one post away from 10K?

I can fix that.

AJ Dual · « **Reply #9 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:51:38 PM »

Geez... if a little fender-bender like that gets you hauled in before a board of inquiry and forced into early retirement, how did Captians Kirk and Picard keep their commands for so long and through so much?

Harold Tuttle · « **Reply #10 on:** March 23, 2009, 02:57:01 PM »

is it a matter of operational security that no one needs to know a nuke sub is in the confines of the strait?

It seems to me they need a redlight to hold the lane open for stealth boats to be stealthy

The navy has had a difficult winter with their new toys getting nerfed up

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Besides damaged propellers and sonar dome, the USS Port Royal suffered other damage after running aground on a reef near Honolulu Airport on Feb. 5:

Â» Both drive shafts and their support struts suffered heavy pressure and twisting.

Â» Instruments on the ship's underside were damaged.

Â» Hatches of the vertical launch cells, which hold missiles, were damaged.

Â» Sand and coral from the reef clogged the Port Royal's waste-water and sea-water ballast systems.

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On 5 February 2009, at 9 p.m. the Port Royal ran aground about a half-mile south of the Honolulu International Airport's Reef Runway. The ship had just come out of a dry dock after undergoing maintenance and was undergoing its first sea trials. No one was injured in the incident and no fuel was spilled.
The cruiser, which has a draft of 33 feet, ran hard aground on a sand and rock ledge in an estimated 17 to 22 feet (5–7 m) of water. The salvage ship USNS Salvor made three unsuccessful efforts to pull the Port Royal off the sandbar (Friday, Saturday and Sunday, 6–7–8 February), despite full-moon high tides and the offloading of 200 tons of fuel and water, 7,000 gallons of raw sewage, and 15 tons of crewmembers.[6][7][8]
According to U.S. Pacific Fleet spokespersons in Honolulu, the ship ran aground on Thursday while moving very slowly as it transferred shore-based officials to a smaller boat to take them to shore. An oil recovery ship, the Clean Islands was behind the ship to clean up oil spills. Rear Admiral Dixon R. Smith, the commander of the Navy Region Hawaii and the Naval Surface Group Middle Pacific, embarked the ship on the morning of 6 February to serve as the on-scene commander. [9][10]
On 9 February 2009, the Port Royal was pulled off the rock and sand shoal at around 2 a.m. after crews removed another 500 tons of water and 100 tons of anchors and other equipment to lighten the vessel, the Navy said in a statement. The removal by a salvage ship and seven tug boats took about 40 minutes. No one was injured during the recovery effort, said Rear Adm. Joe Walsh, the U.S. Pacific Fleet deputy commander. Smith relieved the ship's commanding officer, Captain John Carroll, was temporarily relieved of his duties pending investigation. Carroll had been skipper of the Port Royal since October 2008.[11] Captain John Lauer, an official in Smith's Naval Surface Group Middle Pacific, temporarily assumed command.[12]
The warship suffered heavy damage to the underwater bow sonar dome and to its propellers and propeller shafts and was drydocked for repairs. Captain Neil Parrott was assigned to preside over the investigation into the grounding.[7][13]
Once the raw sewage dumped by the ship had dissipated, divers from the Hawai'i Department of Land and Natural Resources examined the site and discovered that the grounding had damaged the coral reef. The Hawaii divers, with help from Navy divers, began mapping the damage to ascertain the extent of work required to repair the coral. As of 12 February 2009, several of the cruiser's propeller blade tips had yet to be recovered from the ocean floor.[14][15][8]
On February 18, the ship entered Dry Dock Number 4 at Pearl Harbor. The Navy estimated that repairs would cost between $25 and $40 million.[16]

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #11 on:** March 23, 2009, 03:36:10 PM »

Quote from: MillCreek on March 23, 2009, 02:03:30 PM

Wow, looking at the damage to the sail, this is going to be expensive. Not just pounding out the dents and calling it good. I bet they have to cut off the sail, repair it and the underlying structural frames and remount it. It does not look as if the sub can currently submerge.

As a former Sub sailor it is my estimation that it sucks to be that Skipper.
At the very least in addition to the entire superstructure being removed and replaced, most of the hydraulicaly operated masts probably got bent. Both Periscopes tubes penetrate the pressure hull and will need to be replaced as well as the SONAR array on the front of the sail (under the tarp). The boat was commissioned in 1994. With the current admistration I would not be surprised to see her get decommissioned fixing her will be a very expensive job.

Scout26 · « **Reply #12 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:22:09 PM »

Yep, that was a CEM* for the skippers and a CLM** for all the officers on duty at the time....

*CEM - Career Ending Move
**CLM - Career Limiting Move

MillCreek · « **Reply #13 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:35:23 PM »

Quote from: RoadKingLarry on March 23, 2009, 03:36:10 PM

As a former Sub sailor it is my estimation that it sucks to be that Skipper.
At the very least in addition to the entire superstructure being removed and replaced, most of the hydraulicaly operated masts probably got bent. Both Periscopes tubes penetrate the pressure hull and will need to be replaced as well as the SONAR array on the front of the sail (under the tarp). The boat was commissioned in 1994. With the current admistration I would not be surprised to see her get decommissioned fixing her will be a very expensive job.

So I suspect that the sub will have to come back to the States for a shipyard that can repair it. If it cannot submerge, I wonder if the Navy will use a lift ship like the Blue or Black Marlin, as they did with the Cole and Roberts.

280plus · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:42:21 PM »

10,000? I guess this would be the one! I hadn't even noticed myself, good thing G caught it or I might have sloughed right through this "momentous" occasion.

Send me your email addresses and I'll email the champagne.

Incidentally, the ship I was once on was later decommisioned due to the damage it's sonar dome received after being grounded, so it's possible this will be the case here as well. That thing is TWEAKED!

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:45:25 PM »

Quote from: MillCreek on March 23, 2009, 04:35:23 PM

So I suspect that the sub will have to come back to the States for a shipyard that can repair it. If it cannot submerge, I wonder if the Navy will use a lift ship like the Blue or Black Marlin, as they did with the Cole and Roberts.

Not knowing all the details about the damage it is hard to say but I would NOT want to dive that boat in that condition. Towing may be an option. I don't know the capabilities of the lift ships as far as if they are equiped to babysit a shut down reactor.

Matthew Carberry · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2009, 04:49:22 PM »

A little bondo and that will buff right out.

What's the navigable depth(ish) of the Strait?

Werewolf · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2009, 05:18:16 PM »

Quote from: carebear on March 23, 2009, 04:49:22 PM

A little bondo and that will buff right out.

What's the navigable depth(ish) of the Strait?

Shallow...

Like less than 250' in most places.

Having served on an SSN in the late '70s I am surprised that they operate in the straits of Hormuz at all. When we left port we had to have 600' under the keel to dive. Loosened up the rules for war I guess.

seeker_two · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2009, 06:07:35 PM »

Does this mean that the Navy's boat insurance will go up?...or did they get that "accident forgiveness" clause?....

Somebody better call Flo about that....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flo_(Progressive_Insurance)

vaskidmark · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2009, 06:33:57 PM »

While you are calling Progressive to see if Allstate will forgive you, did anybody bother to check how much Earl Schieb is going to charge to do the paint job on all the rusted sections?

What kind of stuff do they paint those boats with? Cause it does not look to be too thick, but where it got rubbed off the saltwater damage seems to be creeping along at a good clip.

As for careers, I doubt that any of the oficers on either boat have much of one left. Same goes for some of the senior enlisted. It's a shame.

stay safe.

Matthew Carberry · « **Reply #20 on:** March 23, 2009, 06:46:14 PM »

Better call MAACO...

RocketMan · « **Reply #21 on:** March 24, 2009, 01:05:53 AM »

Popped plates at the base of the sail. Some flooding resulted, no doubt. Must have been a dicey bit afterwards.

erictank · « **Reply #22 on:** March 24, 2009, 11:45:18 PM »

Quote from: scout26 on March 23, 2009, 04:22:09 PM

Yep, that was a CEM* for the skippers and a CLM** for all the officers on duty at the time....

*CEM - Career Ending Move
**CLM - Career Limiting Move

The TR had a collision one fine night with one of our accompanying cruisers (Leyte Gulf, IIRC) just before our winter '96 deployment to the Med. I came off midwatch and racked out, they started drills, including ahead-flank-to-back-emergency-full, and someone on the bridge during that evolution decided to call Leyte Gulf into close-in trailing position, about 1 mile back. Well, that became a REALLY-close-in trailing position, about contact-distance. Seems both ships' lookouts were... tired, let's say, and the phone talkers down in the Control Room said they heard a REALLY excited voice shout something about a "pop-up contact aft!" about 10 seconds beforehand. I remember being woken up by the sound of the Collision alarm, which had been leaned on by mistake by someone a few weeks prior - I thought to myself, "Okay, announce 'Disregard alarm' and let us all get back to-" and the ship shuddered. Leyte Gulf ended up with a 20-foot-long hole in her bow about 3-4 feet above the waterline, and we lost one of our aft CWIS mounts and had one of the poppet-valves for a main engine damaged - the engine I was Throttleman watchstander for our upcoming Operational Safeguards Reactor Exam, in fact, which sucked royally during said exam about a week later. Many MILLIONS of dollars of damage to both ships. Leyte Gulf had to return to port post-haste for repairs, while TR stayed out and completed our pre-Med-deployment shakedown/ORSE cruise. I looked like a chump during low-speed maneuvers during the test, since without that one valve (of 7 in the engine's steam chest), my engine went from 0-50rpm almost instantly, and at a far-different point than the other 3 engines. Fortunately, the examiners knew why that was, and we didn't get dinged for it.

I heard that both ships' OODs got letters of reprimand entered into their records, and although I never did hear what happened to Leyte Gulf's CO, ours (Capt Christenson) had been up for his first star. That went away (too bad - he was a good guy).

RaspberrySurprise · « **Reply #23 on:** March 25, 2009, 12:16:36 AM »

Quote from: AJ Dual on March 23, 2009, 02:51:38 PM

Geez... if a little fender-bender like that gets you hauled in before a board of inquiry and forced into early retirement, how did Captians Kirk and Picard keep their commands for so long and through so much?

Rule of Cool

RoadKingLarry · « **Reply #24 on:** March 25, 2009, 09:36:48 AM »

Quote from: RocketMan on March 24, 2009, 01:05:53 AM

Popped plates at the base of the sail. Some flooding resulted, no doubt. Must have been a dicey bit afterwards.

The sail is all free-flood superstructure mounted to the pressure hull in that area. You could completly rip the sail off and not necessarily compromise the pressure hull as long as the periscopes tubes were not yanked out.

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