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Main Forums => Politics => Topic started by: makattak on November 14, 2016, 03:25:06 PM
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I think Mr. Hannan captures the spirit of many of the Trump-skeptical conservatives:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/warming-to-trump/article/2607212
An odd thing has happened since last week. I've started warming to Donald Trump. Maybe it was his gracious acceptance speech or some of his appointments. Maybe it's that I want the best for America. But mainly, if I'm honest, it's the gibbering, drooling, pant-hooting rage of the other side.
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Anyone outside that little virtue-signaling clique is bound to be pushed the other way. Plenty of moderate British conservatives, who until last week detested Trump, will find that their sympathy has been pricked. Stare long enough into the vortex of Twitter and you start to hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic swelling in your mind.
(The rest of the article is pretty good, too- especially the part when his 14 year old daughter hears Mrs. Clinton's appeal to women.)
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Pissing off the left is nice and I guess it's OK to enjoy for a bit but it doesn't go very far.
This is pretty much where I'm at:
I’m all for giving Trump credit if and when he does something good, but I didn’t expect the reluctant supporters to view his victory as a baptism that expunged all concerns about his character or motives henceforth. (http://www.redstate.com/jimjamitis/2016/11/14/dumpster-fire-just-beginning)
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They say Americans love a winner.
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Pissing off the left is nice and I guess it's OK to enjoy for a bit but it doesn't go very far.
This is pretty much where I'm at:
I’m all for giving Trump credit if and when he does something good, but I didn’t expect the reluctant supporters to view his victory as a baptism that expunged all concerns about his character or motives henceforth. (http://www.redstate.com/jimjamitis/2016/11/14/dumpster-fire-just-beginning)
Pretty much.
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I think it is just the elation that Hillary did not win and the common attitude that everyone thinks their team will win the Superbowl in August (except Cleveland and Houston).
What I was thinking a month ago is that Trump has the potential to be pretty good. We'll see what we actually get.
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The people who claimed they weren’t for Trump so much as they were against Hillary have either jumped on board the Trump train or headed for the tall grass. If all these people were as pained by Trump being the only viable alternative to Hillary as they claimed, one would think that there would be less resistance to criticism now that he’s the president-elect. I’m all for giving Trump credit if and when he does something good, but I didn’t expect the reluctant supporters to view his victory as a baptism that expunged all concerns about his character or motives henceforth.
This is the part where I can't follow him. He should have provided some examples, because I have not seen this phenomenon. A lot of us reluctant supporters are thrilled - we're giddy! - that the "nasty woman" will never be president; and we're happy that, Trump or no, the Democrats are shut out of the House, Senate, and White House. Maybe that is what has this guy confused.
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I now find myself migrating from my FU vote to warming to Trump. I've been very impressed with the "shift to Presidential" that he's taken since election night. I've also been reading a bunch of his position papers and have become more impressed with his plan.
I could argue about some of his "softening" on some key points, but every candidate ends up doing that, and so far, his "softening" looks like part of a logical overall plan to get things done and reduce "we're going to block everything you do" stuff from the other side. On immigration, for example, focusing on deporting illegals who have committed additional crimes is to me, the smart thing to do. It's hard for the progressives to argue about deporting violent felons vs "they're just trying to make a living" illegals. The latter category can be dealt with at a later date, with tools ranging from anything from deportation to assimilation through changes in immigration law. They may even self-reduce if Trump brings jobs back to the US and reduces the availability of jobs that illegals target. Also if he cuts freebies that bring people over the border, plus keeps Mexico from dumping Central Americans in our backyard.
So far I don't have much of a problem with his cabinet and other choices, though I just saw he wants Rudy Gulliani as SECSTATE. I have nothing against Rudy, but I was really hoping for someone like John Bolton in that role.
One thing that is bothering me right now is what, at least via the media reporting, appears to be a bit too much nepotism. He has three of his kids plus a son in law on his executive committee for staff and cabinet appointments. He also apparently just asked for TS clearances for those four people. He may be doing the latter to avoid being accused of what Clinton did with sharing TS stuff from everyone from her staff to her maid. Otherwise though, I'm not keen on turning the presidency into a family affair. I've always said that we elect a president, and the First Lady should be in the kitchen or the First Gentleman should be out mowing the lawn. I only voted for the one person.
ETA: I just saw that Trump has KT McFarland as part of his security committee. He's surrounding himself with some top notch people. That's a good sign to me that he's also going to listen to them.
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So far I don't have much of a problem with his cabinet and other choices, though I just saw he wants Rudy Gulliani as SECSTATE. I have nothing against Rudy, but I was really hoping for someone like John Bolton in that role.
I have grave reservations about his naming Rinse Preebus as his chief of staff. Preebus (yeas, I know I'm spelling it wrong, but I don't know how to spell it correctly and he doesn't merit my looking it up) spent most of the election cycle leading the RNC in trying to sabotage Trump's campaign. It's very disappointing to see the shithead named to a senior position in the administration. My only hope is that Trump put his there so he can keep an eye on him.
One thing that is bothering me right now is what, at least via the media reporting, appears to be a bit too much nepotism. He has three of his kids plus a son in law on his executive committee for staff and cabinet appointments. He also apparently just asked for TS clearances for those four people. He may be doing the latter to avoid being accused of what Clinton did with sharing TS stuff from everyone from her staff to her maid. Otherwise though, I'm not keen on turning the presidency into a family affair. I've always said that we elect a president, and the First Lady should be in the kitchen or the First Gentleman should be out mowing the lawn. I only voted for the one person.
Agreed on the first lady. JFK named his brother as Attorney General. I was young enough then that I didn't pay a lot of [ahem ... "any"] attention to what the AG was doing, but I don't recall any complaints that Bobby wasn't qualified or that he did a horrible job. In this case, he hasn't named his kids to senior positions, he's just formalizing the reality that they were central in his victory so he's naturally going to want to talk to them about where he goes next.
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I have grave reservations about his naming Rinse Preebus as his chief of staff. Preebus (yeas, I know I'm spelling it wrong, but I don't know how to spell it correctly and he doesn't merit my looking it up) spent most of the election cycle leading the RNC in trying to sabotage Trump's campaign. It's very disappointing to see the shithead named to a senior position in the administration. My only hope is that Trump put his there so he can keep an eye on him.
I think Reince did get onboard the Trump Train once Trump got the nomination. Trump might be keeping his enemies close...
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From what I have heard, one or two of his kids are pro-guns so I don't have a big issue with them having some involvement. IMO, if one of us suddenly found ourselves in a position like that, we would want the people we trust to be involved whether they were in official cabinet positions or not.
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I think Reince did get onboard the Trump Train once Trump got the nomination. Trump might be keeping his enemies close...
If it makes it easier to get his agenda passed through Congress, that will be a help. He does need some people who know how to navigate that stuff.
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Agreed on the first lady. JFK named his brother as Attorney General. I was young enough then that I didn't pay a lot of [ahem ... "any"] attention to what the AG was doing, but I don't recall any complaints that Bobby wasn't qualified or that he did a horrible job. In this case, he hasn't named his kids to senior positions, he's just formalizing the reality that they were central in his victory so he's naturally going to want to talk to them about where he goes next.
You think the Kennedy's have to follow the rules?
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If it makes it easier to get his agenda passed through Congress, that will be a help. He does need some people who know how to navigate that stuff.
Not being a big Priebus fan, I was thinking along these same lines. Strategic planning. I'm guessing there will be "Chenney" and "Rove" comparisons from the left no matter who is in that position.
On the kids, I understand the sons are very pro gun and I like that for myself, but recognize that if family stuff in the presidency is overdone, outcries about nepotism can negatively affect the agenda. We always get mad when Chelsea Clinton is involved with stuff, and I assume the other side will bring Trump's kids up a lot if they are "overly involved" in national decisions. There is probably a way that he can involve with kids (only in stuff they are qualified for) by using careful job descriptions.
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Involving his children so much also goes against his attempt to avoid conflict of interest.
"Trump will sever all connections and put his assets into a blind trust, leaving them for his three oldest children — Donald Jr., Ivanka and Eric — to manage."
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My only hope is that Trump put his there so he can keep an eye on him.
WH Chief of Staff is designated scapegoat for quite a few things. Trump might just be the first to pick someone he doesn't like for that spot.
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Right now, the kids are only part of his transition team. I would guess that once 20 Jan rolls around, they will go back to running the Trump conglomeration.
And they probably do need some clearances to discuss with potential nominee's as to the depth and breath of what is going on in that area.
My understanding of the way Trump runs his business, is the he:
1. Finds Great People for that job.
2. He tells them what he wants the end product to look like.
3. He turns them loose to accomplish the goal(s) he laid out.
4. He listens, carefully, to the advice and recommendations of those people, and adjusts accordingly.
I highly doubt that he will change that process.
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My understanding of the way Trump runs his business, is the he:
1. Finds Great People for that job.
2. He tells them what he wants the end product to look like.
3. He turns them loose to accomplish the goal(s) he laid out.
4. He listens, carefully, to the advice and recommendations of those people, and adjusts accordingly.
I highly doubt that he will change that process.
Which is really what a leader/executive is supposed to do. If he delegates effectively and holds people accountable, he will be okay. Don't be surprised if some of those are replaced later if Trump is holding them accountable.
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After bobby kennedy got ag in jfks administration the congress passed an antinepotism rule. It may only apply to caninet posts though. So you wont see trump jr as secdef and ivanka as secstate.
For my own part i think giuliani perfect for secstate. Never trusted him 100pct on the domestic front. But unleashing the pitbull prosecutor on the rest of the world is fine with me. Go get em rudy.
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Which is really what a leader/executive is supposed to do. If he delegates effectively and holds people accountable, he will be okay. Don't be surprised if some of those are replaced later if Trump is holding them accountable.
QFT. Hardest part of management is firing. You have relatively little ability to predict how people will perform ahead of time, so firing is actually at least as important as hiring.
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My understanding of the way Trump runs his business, is the he:
1. Finds Great People for that job.
2. He tells them what he wants the end product to look like.
3. He turns them loose to accomplish the goal(s) he laid out.
4. He listens, carefully, to the advice and recommendations of those people, and adjusts accordingly.
I highly doubt that he will change that process.
People said W had the same management style.
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People said W had the same management style.
Turns out that Bush's goal was to destabilize the middle east on a fools errand to make the world "safe for democracy".
He also let the Dems control and call the shots on the domestic front.
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Looks like the TS clearance for his kids was a lie. I need to remember to often wait at least 24 hours after stuff is reported to find out the real story.
http://twitchy.com/loriz-3139/2016/11/16/busted-president-elect-trump-thumps-media-new-york-times-for-yet-more-lies-journos-flip-out/
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Looks like the TS clearance for his kids was a lie. I need to remember to often wait at least 24 hours after stuff is reported to find out the real story.
http://twitchy.com/loriz-3139/2016/11/16/busted-president-elect-trump-thumps-media-new-york-times-for-yet-more-lies-journos-flip-out/
Fake news from Facebook?
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Fake news from Facebook?
IIRC, it was the NYT that reported that. So yeah, fake fake news. :)
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And simply having a clearance doesn't mean you get to know everything. I had a TS, but the only TS piece of info I knew about was one of the potential Lance Missile Launch sites in my AO. It was one of 10-15 they had for each firing battery.
I know MP's down at Pirmesans and Fischbach all had Secret clearances, but none of them knew what was in any of the bunkers, other than "Nukes" or "Chemical Shells" but everyone knew that.
But yeah, I'm not listening to any appointments in the news, until it comes from Trump's mouth. But it is fun watching the MSM get the vapors, and head to the fainting couch over every alleged pick.
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And simply having a clearance doesn't mean you get to know everything. I had a TS, but the only TS piece of info I knew about was one of the potential Lance Missile Launch sites in my AO. It was one of 10-15 they had for each firing battery.
I know MP's down at Pirmesans and Fischbach all had Secret clearances, but none of them knew what was in any of the bunkers, other than "Nukes" or "Chemical Shells" but everyone knew that.
You don't get it, Scout. The Left is very concerned - fanatically concerned - with protecting classified information. Why do you think they backed Hillary Clinton, except to ensure that the nation's classified intelligence was in safe hands?
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the MSM get the vapors, and head to the fainting couch over every alleged pick.
The circus continues today with Petraeus (https://twitter.com/thommcg1980/status/799352333524008960) as a possible Secretary of State. :O I would agree with the tweeter that Trump is just trolling at this point but the article doesn't actually say he's being considered by Trump, just that he wants the job.
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After bobby kennedy got ag in jfks administration the congress passed an antinepotism rule. It may only apply to caninet posts though. So you wont see trump jr as secdef and ivanka as secstate.
For my own part i think giuliani perfect for secstate. Never trusted him 100pct on the domestic front. But unleashing the pitbull prosecutor on the rest of the world is fine with me. Go get em rudy.
Rudy for SecState would be okay. Ambassador to the UN would be okay. AG is not okay.
I heard something today about Rick Perry for Dept of Energy -- maybe because he wanted to dismantle it 5 years ago.
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Rudy for SecState would be okay. Ambassador to the UN would be okay. AG is not okay.
Rudy is not okay for SecState. Too much "consulting" work for foreign governments. He wouldn't be coming to the job with clean hands.
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And simply having a clearance doesn't mean you get to know everything. I had a TS, but the only TS piece of info I knew about was one of the potential Lance Missile Launch sites in my AO. It was one of 10-15 they had for each firing battery.
That's the way it's supposed to be. I only had a Secret, but it worked the same way. Even with the clearance, that's only clearance to see what you need to know. If you don't have a need to know, your TS clearance doesn't give you carte blanche to look at anything you want.
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Rudy for SecState would be okay. Ambassador to the UN would be okay.
Isn't there some volatile third world dump that needs an ambassador?
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Isn't there some volatile third world dump that needs an ambassador?
The UN? (I thought I said that) ;)
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That's the way it's supposed to be. I only had a Secret, but it worked the same way. Even with the clearance, that's only clearance to see what you need to know. If you don't have a need to know, your TS clearance doesn't give you carte blanche to look at anything you want.
That's the way it's supposed to work for regular people. Even if Trump got TS clearances for his kids, I don't believe (hope) he would misuse them. However setting a precedent for people with no real need for a clearance in the first place would be bad. Could you imagine if Hillary, going semi-legit, got one for Chelsea? I guarantee "need to know" would not go through the same accountability steps as for the little people.
Too many people have clearances these days to begin with. I have to blame Bush for that one. After 9/11 they were handing them out to everyone and his brother. If you really want to keep stuff secret, don't tell so many people, vs telling them not to tell.
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Rudy for SecState would be okay. Ambassador to the UN would be okay. AG is not okay.
I heard something today about Rick Perry for Dept of Energy -- maybe because he wanted to dismantle it 5 years ago.
Sadly, I saw this morning that Rand Paul came out vehemently against John Bolton for the SECSTATE role. I would have thought those two had some common ground.
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That's the way it's supposed to be. I only had a Secret, but it worked the same way. Even with the clearance, that's only clearance to see what you need to know. If you don't have a need to know, your TS clearance doesn't give you carte blanche to look at anything you want.
My wife had a Secret clearance, or maybe it was TS, a few years before we got married when she worked for Lockheed*. Something to do with the Space program. She was amazed a couple of days ago when she saw on the Science TV channel and they were blabbing about stuff that she worked on -- and still probably can't talk about.
*a week or two after she started work, some wiseguy told her to go check with whomever to see if her clearance was back yet. So she did, and of course was chewed out for wasting his time because they never come back that fast. "Since I'm here, could you at least check" He did, reluctantly, and there it was. "What are you, a Sunday School teacher?" "Well, as a matter of fact..." :rofl:
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That's the way it's supposed to work for regular people. Even if Trump got TS clearances for his kids, I don't believe (hope) he would misuse them. However setting a precedent for people with no real need for a clearance in the first place would be bad. Could you imagine if Hillary, going semi-legit, got one for Chelsea?
It would make more sense than pretending close family members wouldn't overhear anything they shouldn't in a four year period.
Not saying that it should necessarily clear them to intentionally receive anything, but rather to ensure that they have received training in case dad mumbles something while dozing in the recliner. One could argue that his family already has a lot more experience than most with sensitive information that they each have a personal financial stake in protecting, though, so they're probably not going to be an issue anyway.
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If you don't have a need to know, your TS clearance doesn't give you carte blanche to look at anything you want.
Well, duh. If you want carte blanche, you hack into Clinton's server.
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Sadly, I saw this morning that Rand Paul came out vehemently against John Bolton for the SECSTATE role. I would have thought those two had some common ground.
Rand Paul is becoming increasingly annoying. He's like a jack-in-the-box. Open the top, and a head pops out and makes noises.
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My wife had a Secret clearance, or maybe it was TS, a few years before we got married when she worked for Lockheed*. Something to do with the Space program. She was amazed a couple of days ago when she saw on the Science TV channel and they were blabbing about stuff that she worked on -- and still probably can't talk about.
*a week or two after she started work, some wiseguy told her to go check with whomever to see if her clearance was back yet. So she did, and of course was chewed out for wasting his time because they never come back that fast. "Since I'm here, could you at least check" He did, reluctantly, and there it was. "What are you, a Sunday School teacher?" "Well, as a matter of fact..." :rofl:
While on instructor duty at Subschool I had to get a TS/SCI. I'd heard from several folks I'd stayed in touch with back home that they'd been interviewed about me for my clearance. Months and months (16) went by. Getting seriously frustrated with the delay I went to talk to the E6 SSO clerk to find out what the delay was. He told me that because I was married to foreign national that refused to get naturalized they probably would deny my clearance and might even revoke my secret clearance which would disqual me from subs. Being that my wife is native born US citizen I was a bit confused. Seems that the LT and the E6 clerk were under the impression that I had married a Filipina hooker on one of my Westpac deployments and that offended the SSO LT. Seems she didn't approve of such arrangement. She also was a bit disproving of me asking her clerk if he was *expletive deleted*ing retarded. They'd sat on it for almost a year for that till I raised hell about it and set them straight. Not so much as a hint of an apology but I was read in 3 days later.
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While on instructor duty at Subschool I had to get a TS/SCI. I'd heard from several folks I'd stayed in touch with back home that they'd been interviewed about me for my clearance. Months and months (16) went by. Getting seriously frustrated with the delay I went to talk to the E6 SSO clerk to find out what the delay was. He told me that because I was married to foreign national that refused to get naturalized they probably would deny my clearance and might even revoke my secret clearance which would disqual me from subs. Being that my wife is native born US citizen I was a bit confused. Seems that the LT and the E6 clerk were under the impression that I had married a Filipina hooker on one of my Westpac deployments and that offended the SSO LT. Seems she didn't approve of such arrangement. She also was a bit disproving of me asking her clerk if he was *expletive deleted*ing retarded. They'd sat on it for almost a year for that till I raised hell about it and set them straight. Not so much as a hint of an apology but I was read in 3 days later.
Further evidence of the virtually unlimited power of pissant, petty pencil pushers.
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Dear Buddha, I want a pony and a plastic rocket and James Mattis as SECDEF.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-18/trump-said-to-consider-two-former-generals-for-defense-secretary
Oh, and tell the R senators to shut their pie holes and get on board with passing Trump's 100 day legislation and USSC and judge nominees. The D's used the "Nuclear Option" on you. Time to use it back.
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Dear Buddha, I want a pony and a plastic rocket and James Mattis as SECDEF.
I heard Mattis mentioned this morning and was waiting for you to post something. :laugh:
I think it would be an awesome choice as well. Both via qualifications and as icing on the cake, hippie tears.
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Dear Buddha, I want a pony and a plastic rocket and James Mattis as SECDEF.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-11-18/trump-said-to-consider-two-former-generals-for-defense-secretary
Oh, and tell the R senators to shut their pie holes and get on board with passing Trump's 100 day legislation and USSC and judge nominees. The D's used the "Nuclear Option" on you. Time to use it back.
Never forget...trump is just a clinton plant. His campain is just a clever ruse and he will never be elected.
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While on instructor duty at Subschool I had to get a TS/SCI. I'd heard from several folks I'd stayed in touch with back home that they'd been interviewed about me for my clearance. Months and months (16) went by. Getting seriously frustrated with the delay I went to talk to the E6 SSO clerk to find out what the delay was. He told me that because I was married to foreign national that refused to get naturalized they probably would deny my clearance and might even revoke my secret clearance which would disqual me from subs. Being that my wife is native born US citizen I was a bit confused. Seems that the LT and the E6 clerk were under the impression that I had married a Filipina hooker on one of my Westpac deployments and that offended the SSO LT. Seems she didn't approve of such arrangement. She also was a bit disproving of me asking her clerk if he was *expletive deleted*ing retarded. They'd sat on it for almost a year for that till I raised hell about it and set them straight. Not so much as a hint of an apology but I was read in 3 days later.
Having filled out that paperwork, how the hell could they think that? You would have identified her citizenship either on the paperwork or in the web application, which they can see.
And to be read in in only 3 days, they would have been having to sit on the approval.
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Having filled out that paperwork, how the hell could they think that? You would have identified her citizenship either on the paperwork or in the web application, which they can see.
And to be read in in only 3 days, they would have been having to sit on the approval.
That department was a hot bed of dirty dealing, backstabbing, *expletive deleted*ck your buddy to get ahead skullduggery. It was suggested that letting it go was the best option for my career.
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Further evidence of the virtually unlimited power of pissant, petty pencil pushers.
"Because I'm the 'petty functionary' with a clipboard, bitch."
REF:
Big Bang Theory, the theater fills up just before Sheldon Cooper and friends get to the entrance. 17 seconds.
https://youtu.be/ofIhpf5unwQ