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The Irony of it All
« on: November 18, 2016, 07:25:04 PM »
So I just read the story below, where Arizona electors are being harassed to change their votes for Trump. You know, because Clinton won the popular vote and all. Except for in Arizona, Trump won the popular vote. So we hate the electoral college and love the popular vote, unless our person loses the popular vote, then we demand the electoral college accommodate us.

I haven't looked it up yet, but am wondering if there are any red states where Clinton got the popular vote. My guess is almost all her popular vote advantage is from high population blue states (CA for example). If they are trying to make red state electors change their votes in states where Trump also got the popular vote, hello hypocrisy.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/18/arizonas-presidential-electors-being-harassed-urged-not-to-cast-vote-for-trump.html





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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2016, 09:12:27 PM »
Quote from: Ben on November 18, 2016, 07:25:04 PM
I haven't looked it up yet, but am wondering if there are any red states where Clinton got the popular vote.

They wouldn't be red states if she got the popular vote.  :P

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My guess is almost all her popular vote advantage is from high population blue states (CA for example). If they are trying to make red state electors change their votes in states where Trump also got the popular vote, hello hypocrisy.

Yes, it's hypocrisy.  They don't care.  They want to stop Trump by any means necessary.  Steal the election, harass the electors, assassination, what it takes.

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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2016, 09:15:05 PM »
Hypocrisy? Well, one generally doesn't expect principles from those seeking to the change the rules at the end of the game.
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« Reply #3 on: November 18, 2016, 10:21:27 PM »
Clinton won the popular vote by a little over 1.2 million nationally and by over 3 million in California. Geee, that isn't outsize influence at all.

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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #4 on: November 18, 2016, 10:28:45 PM »
Quote from: Angel Eyes on November 18, 2016, 09:12:27 PM
They wouldn't be red states if she got the popular vote.  :P

Does it work like that in the states with the split electorals though?
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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2016, 10:41:34 PM »
Keep in mind that Hillary got about 1/2 her Electoral votes in three states, CA (55), NY (29), and IL (20).   Maybe the red congressional districts of those states should be able to vote for Trump ?

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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #6 on: November 19, 2016, 08:23:56 AM »
Quote from: Ben on November 18, 2016, 10:28:45 PM
Does it work like that in the states with the split electorals though?

Yes.  The candidate with the most votes wins the state.  The popular vs electoral vote anomaly is only at the national level.
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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #7 on: November 19, 2016, 09:44:02 AM »
Quote from: griz on November 19, 2016, 08:23:56 AM
Yes.  The candidate with the most votes wins the state.  The popular vs electoral vote anomaly is only at the national level.

It's a feature, not an anomaly.
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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #8 on: November 19, 2016, 11:14:22 AM »
Quote from: RoadKingLarry on November 19, 2016, 09:44:02 AM
It's a feature, not an anomaly.


Which, further irony, they are spectacularly demonstrating (ha ha) right now. I only wish that there would be more mainstream distribution of the facts, like with cartoon pictures, featuring CA, NY, etc. Sadly, the MSM are one of the leaders in distorting the facts. Also sadly, the electoral college and "Confederated Republic" should have been taught in school.
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Re: The Irony of it All
« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2016, 02:30:54 PM »
Quote from: Angel Eyes on November 18, 2016, 09:12:27 PM
They wouldn't be red states if she got the popular vote.  :P

Quote from: Ben on November 18, 2016, 10:28:45 PM
Does it work like that in the states with the split electorals though?

Ben is right.  Of course, that's NE and ME...not enough to make a difference, and in those states, it's popular vote for 2, then congressional districts for the others, so it -really- wouldn't make a difference.
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