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Scientists Surprised at nothing
« on: August 26, 2007, 06:28:55 AM »
Astronomers Find Huge Hole in Universe
By SETH BORENSTEIN,AP
Posted: 2007-08-25 23:05:48
Filed Under: Science News
(Aug. 24) - Astronomers have stumbled upon a tremendous hole in the universe. That's got them scratching their heads about what's just not there. The cosmic blank spot has no stray stars, no galaxies, no sucking black holes, not even mysterious dark matter. It is 1 billion light years across of nothing. That's a giant expanse of nearly 6 billion trillion miles of emptiness, a University of Minnesota team announced Thursday.


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 NASA / AP Galaxies in deep space are captured in a photograph by the Hubble Space Telescope in 2005. Scientists announced Thursday that they found a void in the universe that's far bigger than they ever imagined.
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Astronomers have known for many years that there are patches in the universe where nobody's home. In fact, one such place is practically a neighbor, a mere 2 million light years away. But what the Minnesota team discovered, using two different types of astronomical observations, is a void that's far bigger than scientists ever imagined.

"This is 1,000 times the volume of what we sort of expected to see in terms of a typical void," said Minnesota astronomy professor Lawrence Rudnick, author of the paper that will be published in Astrophysical Journal. "It's not clear that we have the right word yet ... This is too much of a surprise."

Rudnick was examining a sky survey from the National Radio Astronomy Observatory, which essentially takes radio pictures of a broad expanse of the universe. But one area of the universe had radio pictures indicating there was up to 45 percent less matter in that region, Rudnick said.

The rest of the matter in the radio pictures can be explained as stars and other cosmic structures between here and the void, which is about 5 to 10 billion light years away.

Rudnick then checked observations of cosmic microwave background radiation and found a cold spot. The only explanation, Rudnick said, is it's empty of matter.

It could also be a statistical freak of nature, but that's probably less likely than a giant void, said James Condon, an astronomer at the National Radio Astronomy Observatory. He wasn't part of Rudnick's team but is following up on the research.

"It looks like something to be taken seriously," said Brent Tully, a University of Hawaii astronomer who wasn't part of this research but studies the void closer to Earth.

Tully said astronomers may eventually find a few cosmic structures in the void, but it would still be nearly empty.

Holes in the universe probably occur when the gravity from areas with bigger mass pull matter from less dense areas, Tully said. After 13 billion years "they are losing out in the battle to where there are larger concentrations of matter," he said.

Retired NASA  astronomer Steve Maran said of the discovery: "This is incredibly important for something where there is nothing to it."


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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2007, 06:35:03 AM »
So nothing is new in the scientific world.  So how much money is the government going to give to these scientist to study nothing?
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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2007, 06:40:02 AM »
Theres nothing to see here.......
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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2007, 07:02:53 AM »
Some alien civilization lived there, and they accidentally divided reality by zero?  smiley

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #4 on: August 26, 2007, 07:14:52 AM »

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #5 on: August 26, 2007, 08:21:57 AM »
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It is 1 billion light years across of nothing.

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #6 on: August 26, 2007, 08:44:19 AM »
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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #7 on: August 26, 2007, 01:40:55 PM »
"Behold the wormhole weapon... A tombstone of an empty void were we all used to live and play and slaughter the innocent..."

If space/time does indeed have structure, I'm not overly surprised that there are regions devoid of matter/energy.  Maybe one day some enterprising marketing dweeb will sell it as the ultimate place "get away from it all".  grin
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« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2007, 02:06:22 PM »
I think that's what it is, Sindawe.  A place where God can remember the good old days, before he created all this stuff.   smiley
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« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2007, 02:25:44 PM »
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I think that's what it is, Sindawe.  A place where God can remember the good old days, before he created all this stuff.   smiley

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« Reply #10 on: August 26, 2007, 08:34:18 PM »
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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #11 on: August 27, 2007, 10:01:18 AM »
Some alien civilization lived there, and they accidentally divided reality by zero?  smiley

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2007, 10:09:39 AM »
Some alien civilization lived there, and they accidentally divided reality by zero?  smiley

Arthur C. Clarke once quipped that there are no supernovae, just really, really, really, really, bad "industrial accidents".

I remember an old SF short story wherein a supernova turned out not to have been a nova at all. The star was still there, just shredded. Turned out the inhabitants of a planet there had been messing with the zero-point domain, and a mini Big Bang took out their planet and entire solar system.

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #13 on: August 27, 2007, 11:33:04 AM »

I've seen a few books with that exact theme. In fact Clarke worked it into the final installment of the 2001 series "3001". In 3001 Frank Poole is discovered in a trans Neptunian cometary orbit from when Dave Bowman released his corpse in transit to Jupiter, and is re-animated with nanotechnology etc.

As he's making his way through life as a dignitary in 3001, one of the other characters mentions a relatively nearby (in galactic terms) supernova. What was disturbing is that it was proceeded by a gamma-ray burster event on one of it's orbiting planets. It was decided it was either an alien civilization's zero-point energy "oops" that destroyed the planet and destroyed it's star through thermal overheating of the incoming gamma flux, or.. More chilling, the assumed monolith watching them in their star system had decided that they didn't "measure up".

Then when Poole gets in touch with the "space ghosts" of HAL and David Bowman from 2001 and 2010, that the round trip time at the speed of light for the Solar System's monoliths and their local control sub-station in the Milky Way is about 1000 years, and humanity is about to be judged based on the state of affairs of the 20th and early 21st centuries, and not the peaceable utopia of 3001.

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2007, 01:34:36 PM »
There's a wormhole connected to Miss Teen USA S. Carolina's head...
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« Reply #15 on: August 27, 2007, 01:50:27 PM »
"Ten percent of nothing is -- let me do the math here -- nothing into nothing, carry the -- "

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #16 on: August 27, 2007, 05:06:22 PM »
I predict there's a giant amoeba in it.

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #17 on: August 27, 2007, 07:27:47 PM »
I'm filling out the forms for a government grant.  I can spend the rest of my life studing 'nothing', and my final report will just say "42".

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Re: Scientists Surprised at nothing
« Reply #18 on: August 28, 2007, 01:32:36 PM »
Fistful, I'm with you.  My first thought was, "God just wanted to make a quiet place."

Who knows what else we'll find when we start realize what we're seeing?  What a marvelous place is this Universe.

Just out of curiousity, does anyone realize how incredibly big is this 'void'?  One billion light years is 1,000,000,000; our galaxy is 100,000 light years across.  That's a whole lot of nothing goin' on.
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