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Martian soil appears able to support life!
« on: June 27, 2008, 02:35:05 AM »
Woah... Okay. Alkaline soil with no toxins. Magnesium, sodium, potassium. Now, THAT is cool.

This is why we have a space program. Now, to get there.

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Martian soil appears able to support life

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - "Flabbergasted" NASA scientists said on Thursday that Martian soil appeared to contain the requirements to support life, although more work would be needed to prove it.

Scientists working on the Phoenix Mars Lander mission, which has already found ice on the planet, said preliminary analysis by the lander's instruments on a sample of soil scooped up by the spacecraft's robotic arm had shown it to be much more alkaline than expected.

"We basically have found what appears to be the requirements, the nutrients, to support life whether past present or future," Sam Kounaves, the lead investigator for the wet chemistry laboratory on Phoenix, told journalists.

"It is the type of soil you would probably have in your back yard, you know, alkaline. You might be able to grow asparagus in it really well. ... It is very exciting for us."

The 1 cubic centimetre (0.06 cubic inch) of soil was taken from about 1 inch (2.5 cm) below the surface of Mars and had a pH, or alkaline, level of 8 or 9. "We were all flabbergasted at the data we got back," Kounaves said.

Pressed on whether there was still any doubt that life existed on Mars in some form, Kounaves said the results were "very preliminary" and more analysis was needed.

But he added: "There is nothing about the soil that would preclude life. In fact, it seems very friendly ... there is nothing about it that is toxic."

The $420 million (211 million pounds) Phoenix lander touched down in the north pole region of Mars on May 25 after a 10-month journey from Earth. It is the latest NASA bid to determine whether water -- a crucial ingredient for life -- ever flowed on the planet and whether life, even in the form of mere microbes, exists or ever existed there.

Scientists said last week they had definitive proof that ice was on the planet after eight dice-sized chunks were seen melting away in a series of photographs.

Analysis in the past 24 hours of soil placed in the spacecraft's wet chemistry laboratory showed it to be less acidic than many scientists expected. It also contained traces of magnesium, sodium, potassium and other elements, they said.

When told the pH levels, one colleague "jumped up and down as if he had the winning lottery ticket," mission soil analysis specialist Michael Hecht told a telephone news conference.

"It is a huge step forward," Hecht said, adding the "wet chemistry" technique, which involves mixing Martian soil with water brought from Earth, was aimed at discovering what native Martian microbes might be able to live, survive and grow in the soil.

The mission scientists said levels of salt were reasonable and the calcium levels appeared to be low but they warned that the composition of the soil could change at deeper levels below the surface.

They also would not be drawn on what form of life the Martian soil might have supported.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUKN2642980420080627

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Re: Martian soil appears able to support life!
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2008, 02:46:53 AM »
Woah... Okay. Alkaline soil with no toxins. Magnesium, sodium, potassium. Now, THAT is cool.

This is why we have a space program. Now, to get there.

Yep.   Building greenhouses on Mars just got a lot easier.    grin

I do wonder about the amount of water available.  No easy supply of water, things get much more complicated.  Not impossible, mind you.   Just more complicated.  Which is not what you want several million miles from Earth.   But with good quality soil and an easy supply of water, there'd be a very very easy way to colonize Mars.  Fire a couple supply drops and then ask for volunteers for a one way trip. 
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Re: Martian soil appears able to support life!
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2008, 02:48:49 AM »
So, where do I sign up for the first wave of colonization?

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« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2008, 03:05:50 AM »
I want to see equipment puttering around there with the logos on the side for NASA, Martin, Lockheed...and John Deere. smiley

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« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2008, 03:14:46 AM »
I want to see equipment puttering around there with the logos on the side for NASA, Martin, Lockheed...and John Deere. smiley

I'd hope New Holland gets the contract, but that's just local pride. 

You'd need to re-engineer the tractors.  Mars has significantly lower gravity than earth, and the atmo is lower in oxygen.  But yep.  Need to do a lot of digging, you'd likely need some sort of space tractor.
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« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2008, 03:16:52 AM »
I want to see equipment puttering around there with the logos on the side for NASA, Martin, Lockheed...and John Deere. smiley

I'd hope New Holland gets the contract, but that's just local pride. 

You'd need to re-engineer the tractors.  Mars has significantly lower gravity than earth, and the atmo is lower in oxygen.  But yep.  Need to do a lot of digging, you'd likely need some sort of space tractor.

It's also 36 to 250 million miles to the nearest station that has diesel, depending on the time of year. cheesy

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« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2008, 04:25:55 AM »
"Space tractor" would be an awesome name for a band.
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« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2008, 04:54:36 AM »
"Space tractor" would be an awesome name for a band.

I was thinking the same thing.
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« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2008, 05:21:57 AM »
Hot damn, I volunteer to go.

Give me enough time to purchase a good quality revolver, though.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2008, 05:27:16 AM »
Why do you need a pistol on Mars?
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« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2008, 05:34:14 AM »
Martians.


Mars will OBVIOUSLY be a gigantic Wild West frontier desert.

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« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2008, 05:35:35 AM »
Since the planet is red how do you tell if there is blood in the streets?
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« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2008, 05:41:29 AM »
Since the planet is red how do you tell if there is blood in the streets?

Duh, Martians have green blood.

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« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2008, 05:44:31 AM »
Cool!!  Now we know where to send all the leftys so they can start a utopian worker's paradise. 
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« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2008, 05:48:36 AM »
Since the planet is red how do you tell if there is blood in the streets?

Duh, Martians have green blood.

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« Reply #15 on: June 27, 2008, 06:03:42 AM »
Well, the pictures of Martian landscapes don't look all that different than the Australian Outback Wink
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« Reply #16 on: June 27, 2008, 06:58:17 AM »
I'll sign up for the colonization as long as they take some livestock.  I don't think I could live off of vegetables.
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« Reply #17 on: June 27, 2008, 08:09:54 AM »
I'll sign up for the colonization as long as they take some livestock.  I don't think I could live off of vegetables.

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« Reply #18 on: June 27, 2008, 08:14:17 AM »
Great, the soil's fine...

How about that atmosphere?
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« Reply #19 on: June 27, 2008, 08:18:14 AM »
Great, the soil's fine...

How about that atmosphere?

Mostly carbon dioxide.  Which is *also* good for plant life.  The carbon gets added to the mass of the plant, and the oxygen gets liberated back into the atmosphere.

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« Reply #20 on: June 27, 2008, 08:18:45 AM »
Why do you need a pistol on Mars?

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« Reply #21 on: June 27, 2008, 08:19:31 AM »
Great, the soil's fine...

How about that atmosphere?

I hear the ambience is nice  undecided
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« Reply #22 on: June 27, 2008, 08:45:46 AM »
Soil's fine, atmo's fine for plants, what about the temperature?

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2008, 08:47:00 AM »
Great, the soil's fine...

How about that atmosphere?

I hear the ambience is nice  undecided

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« Reply #24 on: June 27, 2008, 08:51:30 AM »
Soil's fine, atmo's fine for plants, what about the temperature?

Familiar to anyone from the upper midwest. grin