Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners

[roo_ster]

Nice to know that if a guy rapes another guy up the exhaust pipe, its not gay, 'cause the other guy wasn't willing.  Very helpful, that bit of data.  And that raping female virgins who oppose the gov't is not only allowed, but rewarded in the afterlife.

What fine, civilized people.


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Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners
Elul 12, 5769, 01 September 09 04:09
by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz

(Israelnationalnews.com) A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults, apparently told followers last month that coercion by means of rape, torture and drugs is acceptable against all opponents of the Islamic regime.


Warning: The imam's question-and-answer session, partially reproduced here, contains disturbing descriptions of the sanctioned brutality.

In the wake of a series of publications worldwide regarding the rape and torture of dissident prisoners in Iran's jails, supporters of Ahmadinejad gathered with him in Jamkaran, a popular pilgrimage site for Shi'ite Muslims on the outskirts of Qom, on August 11, 2009. According to Iranian pro-democracy sources, the gathered crowd heard from Ayatollah Mohammad Taqi Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad himself regarding the issue.

According to the Intelligence and Terrorism Information Center (ITIC), an independent Israeli intelligence analysis organization, Mesbah-Yazdi is considered Ahmadinejad's personal spiritual guide. A radical totalitarian even in Iranian terms, he holds messianic views, supports increasing Islamization, calls for violent suppression of domestic political opponents, and, according to the ITIC, "declared that obeying a president supported by the Supreme Leader was tantamount to obeying God."

At the Jamkaran gathering, Mesbah-Yazdi and Ahmadinejad answered questions about the rape and torture charges. The following text is from a transcript alleged by Iranian dissidents to be a series of questions and answers exchanged between the ayatollah and some of his supporters.

Asked if a confession obtained "by applying psychological, emotional and physical pressure" was "valid and considered credible according to Islam," Mesbah-Yazdi replied: "Getting a confession from any person who is against the Velayat-e Faqih ("Guardianship of the Islamic Jurists", or the regime of Iran's mullahs) is permissible under any condition." The ayatollah gave the identical answer when asked about confessions obtained through drugging the prisoner with opiates or addictive substances.

"Can an interrogator rape the prisoner in order to obtain a confession?" was the follow-up question posed to the Islamic cleric.

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The necessary precaution is for the interrogator to perform a ritual washing first and say prayers while raping the prisoner. If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus. It is better not to have a witness present. If it is a male prisoner, then it's acceptable for someone else to watch while the rape is committed."

This reply, and reports of the rape of teen male prisoners in Iranian jails, may have prompted the following question: "Is the rape of men and young boys considered sodomy?"
One aspect of these permitted rapes troubled certain questioners.

Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."

A related issue, in the eyes of the questioners, was the rape of virgin female prisoners. In this instance, Mesbah-Yazdi went beyond the permissibility issue and described the Allah-sanctioned rewards accorded the rapist-in-the-name-of-Islam:

"If the judgment for the [female] prisoner is execution, then rape before execution brings the interrogator a spiritual reward equivalent to making the mandated Haj pilgrimage [to Mecca], but if there is no execution decreed, then the reward would be equivalent to making a pilgrimage to [the Shi'ite holy city of] Karbala."


Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."  %ad%

[Jocassee]

FUBAR.

[Boomhauer]

Nice to know that if a guy rapes another guy up the exhaust pipe, its not gay, 'cause the other guy wasn't willing.

I'm not suprised.

I was reading a thread over at Lightfighter a few months ago. Several vets posted how they would often come across Iraqis and Afghanis going at it with each other or with livestock, and how American soldiers would often be leered at and such. And homosexuality was accepted until marriage, as it really didn't count as homosexuality until then. Weird.

[roo_ster]

Oh, I want to point out that the Islam in the title is the crazy bastards' (Ahmadinejad & Mesbah-Yazdi) Islam.

I would assume (hope?) that this is a minority position in Islam.

[Gewehr98]

For the sake of this thread's longevity, I'll play along with that assumption, too.

[Jocassee]

I'm not suprised.

I was reading a thread over at Lightfighter a few months ago. Several vets posted how they would often come across Iraqis and Afghanis going at it with each other or with livestock, and how American soldiers would often be leered at and such. And homosexuality was accepted until marriage, as it really didn't count as homosexuality until then. Weird.

So the whole "countries with a high proportion of man/goat relationships" thing isn't just a joke?

Eew.

[jackdanson]

Ayatollah Mesbah-Yazdi: "No, because it is not consensual. Of course, if the prisoner is aroused and enjoys the rape, then caution must be taken not to repeat the rape."

Note to self and others, if ever being raped in an Iranian prison pretend it is the hottest thing that has ever happened to you.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

I'm not suprised.

I was reading a thread over at Lightfighter a few months ago. Several vets posted how they would often come across Iraqis and Afghanis going at it with each other or with livestock, and how American soldiers would often be leered at and such. And homosexuality was accepted until marriage, as it really didn't count as homosexuality until then. Weird.

When my friend went to Iraq, he says they received frequent offers of money and/or goats in exchange for the blond female medic in their unit.  He says they had a terrible time trying to get across the idea that Americans don't buy and sell women.

[MicroBalrog]

INN is approximately Israel's equivalent of WND and Newsmax, except for a reputation for really not liking Muslims.

[roo_ster]

When my friend went to Iraq, he says they received frequent offers of money and/or goats in exchange for the blond female medic in their unit.  He says that had a terrible time trying to get across the idea that Americans don't buy and sell women.

Why did an image of John Belushi just pop into my head?

INN is approximately Israel's equivalent of WND and Newsmax, except for a reputation for really not liking Muslims.

Handy information.

[Boomhauer]

So the whole "countries with a high proportion of man/goat relationships" thing isn't just a joke?

Eew.

Apparently not.

And until I read that thread, I, too, thought it was merely a joke.

[Jocassee]

INN is approximately Israel's equivalent of WND and Newsmax, except for a reputation for really not liking Muslims.

Micro, any indication that WND style, important info has been omitted or taken out of context? Faulty Farsi?

On the other hand can you really take 

If the prisoner is female, it is permissible to rape through the vagina or anus.

out of context?

[MicroBalrog]

Micro, any indication that WND style, important info has been omitted or taken out of context? Faulty Farsi?

These people have a history of either inventing stuff out of thin air or exaggerating its importance.

For example, during te disengagement in Gaza, for example, they claimed that the GSS was planning to build massive camps to intern the settlers in (it turned out that a temporary tent camp to house the settlers for a month or so was debated and turned down by GSS, and no serious plans to build camps were ever discussed by anybody involved).

[Balog]

Micro: are you saying that the quotes are totally made up then? Distortion and exaggeration I understand, but you're referring to something very different. No opinion either way myself, just curious.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

Yeah, I'm curious if we have any evidence that the quotes in question have been fabricated.

It's one thing to say that a news outlet has said some dumb things in the past.  It's something else entirely to say that they're wrong in this specific instance.  So, do we have any reason to believe they're wrong in this specific instance?

[MicroBalrog]

I'm saying that it is possible that these quotes have been misattributed, or mistranslated, or taken out of context. It's possible they've been said by some guy in IRan who is a marginal entity there, or possibly have not occured at all.

When an outlandish claim is made, a higher standard of proof is required. I would like to see a more mainstream source before I draw my conclusions.

[Jocassee]

I'm saying that it is possible that these quotes have been misattributed, or mistranslated, or taken out of context. It's possible they've been said by some guy in IRan who is a marginal entity there, or possibly have not occured at all.

When an outlandish claim is made, a higher standard of proof is required. I would like to see a more mainstream source before I draw my conclusions.

I we desire to dig deeper, where should we dig?

[Gewehr98]

I have an MB-style answer to that:

Wikipedia.   

[Hawkmoon]

Mesbah-Yazdi answered: "The child borne to any weakling [a denigrating term for women - ed.] who is against the Supreme Leader is considered illegitimate, be it a result of rape by her interrogator or through intercourse with her husband, according to the written word in the Koran. However, if the child is raised by the jailer, then the child is considered a legitimate Shi'a Muslim."

What a sicko/psycho.

I'd really like to have a cite for exactly where the Q'uran says that.

[RaspberrySurprise]

Yeesh, and we thought Rev. Wright was bad?

[HankB]

INN is approximately Israel's equivalent of WND and Newsmax, except for a reputation for really not liking Muslims.

So being as it's only twice as reliable as ABCNBCCBS, we shouldn't unquestionably accept everything they write? 

[MicroBalrog]

I have an MB-style answer to that:

Wikipedia.   

Wikipedia sources most of its statements. This makes them better than 90% of conventional news sources. 

[MechAg94]

I'm not suprised.

I was reading a thread over at Lightfighter a few months ago. Several vets posted how they would often come across Iraqis and Afghanis going at it with each other or with livestock, and how American soldiers would often be leered at and such. And homosexuality was accepted until marriage, as it really didn't count as homosexuality until then. Weird.

I have heard from two or three different sources that homosexuality is very prevalent over there. 
One guy I worked with for a while worked in Saudi for a few years and his term was "rampant".  I think he was referring to Saudi and Bahrain. 

Regarding the OP, I have heard from other sources that it was in Iran, it was against the rules to execute a virgin so they would basically marry the prisoner to one of the guards who would basically rape them so they could be executed the following day.  I don't remember what the source was.  I read it back when all the rioting was going on.  Either way, the other information in the OP doesn't surprise me much, but, yeah, it might not all be true.

[MicroBalrog]

One guy I worked with for a while worked in Saudi for a few years and his term was "rampant".  I think he was referring to Saudi and Bahrain.

Indeed I've read an article about the sex life of people in the UAE.

Apparently a lot of young people get married, only to discover the males' only sexual experience is with other men.

For this reason, the chief Mufti [is that the right term?] of that country endorsed a sex manual for young men and women, complete with photographic illustrations which would be considered porn in most of the world.

[roo_ster]

For this reason, the chief Mufti [is that the right term?] of that country endorsed a sex manual for young men and women, complete with photographic illustrations which would be considered porn in most of the world.

I gotta respect that action.  Dude's taking practical steps to solve a pretty serious problem.