Ahmadinejad's Imam: Islam Allows Raping, Torturing Prisoners

[MicroBalrog]

And the manual was written by a woman. So much for the image of Muslims as rabid women-haters.

[Balog]

:rolleyes:

Middle Eastern Muslims view (legally and culturally) women as untermensch.

[grey54956]

Oh %$#@!

WTF is wrong with people!?!  I would say "that guy" but I think this goes a bit further than that.  I'm beginning to think that a sizable portion of the world's population is seriously messed up beyond repair.

I mean seriously, messed up.

You know what the Middle East, The Far East, The West, The South, The North, and just about every other human populated part of this earth needs? 

A good shot of common sense and respect.  I swear, if I ever build a deathray on the moon and declare myself emperor, I am gonna make all the crazies, loons, freaks, whack-jobs, and just about everybody else toe the line when it comes to basic respect for their fellow man.

[Hawkmoon]

I swear, if I ever build a deathray on the moon and declare myself emperor, I am gonna make all the crazies, loons, freaks, whack-jobs, and just about everybody else toe the line when it comes to basic respect for their fellow man.

Respect for the fellow man is not the issue here. What seems to be seriously lacking is respect for the fellow women ...

[MechAg94]

Respect for the fellow man is not the issue here. What seems to be seriously lacking is respect for the fellow women ...

Well, that and a seriously warped sense of right and wrong.  I am amazed sometimes at this ability to lawyer their way into justifying evil.  Not just a few leaders who say its okay, but the willingness of so many to just say "great, we can do that now".  I don't know many muslims, but I would hope most don't care for that stuff. 

Yes, I realize that happens in other religions, including my own.  The way some of the Muslims do it is just seems foreign to me though.

[Lee]

A highly influential Shi'a religious leader, with whom Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad regularly consults,

"He's really not my religious mentor, and I don't agree with him at all....I only went to his church for 20 years."

Uhhh, never mind... that was some US politician who said that.

[Perd Hapley]

Respect for the fellow man is not the issue here. What seems to be seriously lacking is respect for the fellow women ...

He seems pretty happy about the torture/rape of both sexes. 

[Viking]

When my friend went to Iraq, he says they received frequent offers of money and/or goats in exchange for the blond female medic in their unit.  He says they had a terrible time trying to get across the idea that Americans don't buy and sell women.

Friend of mine went on vacation to Egypt when she was 17. Her parents had plenty of people coming up and wishing to buy her!

[Gewehr98]

My parents went on vacation in Egypt in 2006.  My dad was made an offer for my mom.  He thought the guy was kidding...   

[Perd Hapley]

Did your Dad tell Pharoah she was his sister?   

[Gewehr98]

I don't think it would've mattered.  From what my folks tell me, the guy was insistent, wife, sister, acquaintance, no big deal. 

It gave Mom a big head, because it ain't every day somebody wants to add a 60-something spayed American female to their harem...  (Or is it?)

[Balog]

How much was he offering for her?

[Viking]

How much was he offering for her?

I guess you asked G98, but I'll answer as well. IIRC, my friend's parents were offered 20 camels and an undisclosed amount of gold for her. I admit that I don't know the current price of women in the parts where this still seems to be a fairly common practice, so I can't tell if he made a good offer or not.

[Perd Hapley]

Would it be totally crazy to suppose that these were dowries, not slave trades?  Or would that be a distinction without a difference? 

[vaskidmark]

Would it be totally crazy to suppose that these were dowries, not slave trades?  Or would that be a distinction without a difference? 

I a culture that permits four wives for the lowest of the low, and progressively larger numbers in the "entourage" of those higher on the economic/power (or is that power/economic?) scale I doubt there is much to distinguish between the two concepts.

stay safe.

skidmark

[MicroBalrog]

Four wives?

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Four wives?

Aren't you allowed 4 in Saudi Arabia?

[Balog]

I think this might be a good way to get rid of some annoying women in my life and make money too!

[MicroBalrog]

Aren't you allowed 4 in Saudi Arabia?

I'm sure. But I'm surprised at the idea of a minimum amount being 4. I've met many Muslims, some of them Egyptian, and I've never heard of people with 4-wife families in these areas except among Beduins who have basically ignored the last century.

[MechAg94]

I seem to remember hearing some dirt about the rich Kuwaiti leader having 3 or so wives and regularly divorcing and marrying young women.  That was around the first Gulf War time though. 

[MicroBalrog]

Oh, rich people in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, of course, have lots of wives. That's not whaT I'm talking about though.

[Perd Hapley]

I'm sure. But I'm surprised at the idea of a minimum amount being 4.

I don't think anyone said that was the minimum.  If I remember right, I've heard of there being some rule in Islam about four wives as a maximum.

[vaskidmark]

Four (4) is the max number you can be married to.  Explanation goes, per some vague recollection of "Sahara" starring Bogart, not those newbie upstarts:

One wife will forever nag and complain to you;
Two wives will forever nag and complain about the other to you;
Three wives, two will side together against the other - the alliances change by the moment;
But four wives.  Ah!  Two by two, each will have a friend, and you will have peace and time to sip coffee in the bazzar.  And when you come home - <insert big ole sloppy grin>.

I'm not sure Paul Robeson ("Tambu") really was comfortable with those lines, being a rather devout Baptist, but he probably was happy to get a role that did not require foot-shuffling and a drawl while moving slower than molasses in January or having to tapdance.

As for the "entourage" - apparently if you can feed them you can keep them, but you cannot be married to more than 4 at any given moment.  So some of those tribal alliances were made knowing full well that daughter #17 was going to be unmarried but living in the tent of Al-Whatshizname, Shiek of date tree # 329 at the oaisis out back of the BurgerKing.  I actually had a perfesser in kollege ("Compasrative Civilizations 223") try to tell me that since there was nothing in the desert worth collecting and showing off, the "Ay-rabs" treated excess women like baubles in doing one-upsmanship to show off their wealth and control of water.

stay safe.

skidmark

[MicroBalrog]

I don't think anyone said that was the minimum.  If I remember right, I've heard of there being some rule in Islam about four wives as a maximum.

Ah, I misread.

[Stand_watie]

       Regarding multi-wife polytheism as an accepted practice - while trying to be sensitive to the fact that there may be forum members who don't denigrate it - I will note that it worked out best in cultures with a dearth of men due to ongoing warfare.