Migration From CA, NY, and IL

[Ben]

While it's a Bloomberg article, the data look fairly sound.

Some stats on where people who leave CA, NY, and IL go, also figuring in average income of those moving to each new state.

An interesting tidbit was that while NY overall is bleeding residents, NYC is growing them. We pretty much know what that means regarding voting trends and the urban/rural schism.

Also, I've got news for them: A LOT more people are coming to CA from other countries than their numbers show.  I think that's a given. Even 2 million out of 40 million is significant, and considering it's likely that the "uncounted" from other countries are probably using services, vs paying for them as the departing residents did, it bodes further ill for that state.

Lots of other interesting conjectures can be made, like the number of people going to the top four states in each section of the report.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-01-09/where-people-leaving-new-york-california-and-illinois-are-going

[Kingcreek]

Lifelong Illinois resident here. Retirees are leaving for Florida and other south pleasant winter weather destinations. Younger wage earners are leaving for better job markets and stable pensions. (Illinois pensions are unfunded Ponzi schemes). Many of us are counting the days until we too can flee this rusting sinking rat infested barge of a state.
But it's actually worse than it looks...
Wage earners and tax payers are leaving and being partially replaced by increasing numbers non wage earning parasites. The demographic is trending downward. Our local school district now has an almost 80% poverty rate because the families with good jobs or oportunities are among the outflow. Every new tax, tax increase, or fee they can think of is being forced upon us still here. Property values are falling in many areas.
I was in an education forum with some state politicians and a Chicago area dem was aging how hard they were working and what big challenges they were facing. I raised my hand and stood and asked her, what their plan was to turn it around. Her reply? "Pray for us."
MY response, "that's fine but shouldn't your first plan be something besides devine intervention?"

[makattak]

Lifelong Illinois resident here. Retirees are leaving for Florida and other south pleasant winter weather destinations. Younger wage earners are leaving for better job markets and stable pensions. (Illinois pensions are unfunded Ponzi schemes). Many of us are counting the days until we too can flee this rusting sinking rat infested barge of a state.
But it's actually worse than it looks...
Wage earners and tax payers are leaving and being partially replaced by increasing numbers non wage earning parasites. The demographic is trending downward. Our local school district now has an almost 80% poverty rate because the families with good jobs or oportunities are among the outflow. Every new tax, tax increase, or fee they can think of is being forced upon us still here. Property values are falling in many areas.
I was in an education forum with some state politicians and a Chicago area dem was aging how hard they were working and what big challenges they were facing. I raised my hand and stood and asked her, what their plan was to turn it around. Her reply? "Pray for us."
MY response, "that's fine but shouldn't your first plan be something besides devine intervention?"

I've been working very hard to convince me family to leave the state. My grandmother just passed away, so that's one of the things that was holding them back.

It's sad, I'd LOVE to live back in downstate Illinois- but not with the issues the state is having. Of note, we could tell just by the feel of the road that we had entered Illinois when we returned for my grandmother's funeral.

[Kingcreek]

I have no family left here. I'm about 4-5 years from retirement (I hope!) my wife could retire any time. Our property value is disappointing and probably falling but I can't relocate until I retire.

[Ben]

But it's actually worse than it looks...
Wage earners and tax payers are leaving and being partially replaced by increasing numbers non wage earning parasites. The demographic is trending downward.

I'm thinking that's the case for most of the "big blue states".   I recall, probably a decade ago, when CA was actually tightening some of its handouts (since reversed I'd imagine), one of the looters was interviewed and said he was leaving the state (CA, mind you) because they were taking away his money. He said he was moving to another state who would give him his stuff. I can't remember which one, but it was unexpected to me, so not a really liberal state.

These lemming looters migrate to wherever they get the most free stuff (with some weather dependency worked in), which of course pushes many taxpayers out of those places.

[brimic]

These lemming looters migrate to wherever they get the most free stuff (with some weather dependency worked in), which of course pushes many taxpayers out of those places.

I think what happens, is that a moderate state or right leaning state occasionally get a democrat governor. When that happens, they try to stack the welfare system to attract electorially favorable demographics. It happened in my state for decades, where the state was offering higher welfare benifits than Chicago. Conversely, places like Chicago were probably cutting their benefits just enough to make it attractive for demographics to migrate.

[charby]

I think what happens, is that a moderate state or right leaning state occasionally get a democrat governor. When that happens, they try to stack the welfare system to attract electorially favorable demographics. It happened in my state for decades, where the state was offering higher welfare benifits than Chicago. Conversely, places like Chicago were probably cutting their benefits just enough to make it attractive for demographics to migrate.

How many people on Uncle Sugar's money wagon actually vote? I also think large landlords want them too, guaranteed rent check from Uncle Sugar for their shitbox properties, states/communites want them because shitbox properties pay taxes.

[Kingcreek]

How many people on Uncle Sugar's money wagon actually vote? I also think large landlords want them too, guaranteed rent check from Uncle Sugar for their shitbox properties, states/communites want them because shitbox properties pay taxes.

Oh they all vote now. The community organizers see to that!
They are offered absentee ballots or transportation, often by the bus load, and provided with cards in a language they understand with helpful instructions on just how to vote and who to vote for. (Hint.Trump's name will not appear on their card)

[brimic]

I also think large landlords want them too

Slumlords don't hold much power though, they are lower mid-tier in the ghetto feudal system. Though sometimes they get big enough to claw their way up to alderman or state rep.

[Angel Eyes]

I also think large landlords want them too, guaranteed rent check from Uncle Sugar for their shitbox properties,

If you're referring to Section 8, no, that is not popular with landlords.  Dealing with the bureaucracy to get the government share of the rent is a pain, and Section 8 renters as a group tend to be poor tenants (trashing the house/apartment, delinquent in their share of the rent, criminal activity in the unit, etc.).

[HankB]

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I was in an education forum with some state politicians and a Chicago area dem was aging how hard they were working and what big challenges they were facing. I raised my hand and stood and asked her, what their plan was to turn it around. Her reply? "Pray for us."
MY response, "that's fine but shouldn't your first plan be something besides devine intervention?"

If you were referring to the Almighty, it would be Divine intervention. (Spelling nazi correction!!!!)

But given that it was in the Chicago area (I grew up in Chicago), maybe you were closer to their plan than you knew.

[charby]

If you're referring to Section 8, no, that is not popular with landlords.  Dealing with the bureaucracy to get the government share of the rent is a pain, and Section 8 renters as a group tend to be poor tenants (trashing the house/apartment, delinquent in their share of the rent, criminal activity in the unit, etc.).

They seem to love the Section 8 here, they really are shitbox properties.

[brimic]

They seem to love the Section 8 here, they really are shitbox properties.

Yes, slumlording is practically an industry in of itself in some zip codes. There are scams where a rental or group of rentals is owned under a LLC. When the city/bank forecloses on the properties for non-payment of taxes/mortgages, another LLC (owned by the same entities) will buy the properties back in auctions.

[Angel Eyes]

They seem to love the Section 8 here, they really are shitbox properties.

Not so much on the Left Coast.  Housing is tight, and even shitbox properties can be rented for more than what the landlord would get via Section 8.

[lee n. field]

I've been working very hard to convince me family to leave the state. My grandmother just passed away, so that's one of the things that was holding them back.

It's sad, I'd LOVE to live back in downstate Illinois- but not with the issues the state is having. Of note, we could tell just by the feel of the road that we had entered Illinois when we returned for my grandmother's funeral.

he is not kidding, folks.   As soon as you cross that border, the difference is visible and obvious.

[MillCreek]

With the tremendous influx of people into the Seattle area and the tight job market, Section 8 is at a premium in this area.  As pointed out above, the private landlords and realty companies make much much more renting out at market rates.  There is still some Section 8 being built by charitable and social agencies, but not so much the private market.

PS: I just walked down the hall and asked one of the medical social workers: typically a two year wait for Section 8 housing in this area, unless some emergency circumstances apply.

[Ben]

PS: I just walked down the hall and asked one of the medical social workers: typically a two year wait for Section 8 housing in this area, unless some emergency circumstances apply.

Interesting.  I wonder if that ups the quality of section 8 tenant? I tried it a few times when I had rentals. One older lady was an absolute peach. The others ranged from subpar to disaster. The young, childless couple that both could have been looking for work were the worst, and why  I said, "no more".

[MillCreek]

Again, from what I hear from the medical social worker, there is such a shortage of Section 8 housing, that if you don't shape up, you will be shipped out, and someone better given the rental.  Especially with the supportive Section 8 housing (medical, psychiatric, domestic violence or substance issues), a lot of them have staff on site to case manage the residents.

[zxcvbob]

If you were referring to the Almighty, it would be Divine intervention. (Spelling nazi correction!!!!)

But given that it was in the Chicago area (I grew up in Chicago), maybe you were closer to their plan than you knew.

Plunk your magic twanger, Froggy!

[lee n. field]

If you were referring to the Almighty, it would be Divine intervention. (Spelling nazi correction!!!!)

But given that it was in the Chicago area (I grew up in Chicago), maybe you were closer to their plan than you knew.

[RocketMan]

This migration is one of the many things that is slowly causing the destruction of the Republic.  Leftards spreading their Leftardism.
However, there is no good and proper way to stop it that doesn't itself contribute to the eventual end of the Republic.
We're pretty well skrewed.

[Ron]

I'm in one of only a few counties in Illinois that gained population.

Hopefully that means property values will hold and that there will be a bit of a market for my house when I sell this spring.

[Boomhauer]

Overall I can’t stand the out of staters moving here to SC. A few of them are OK and aren’t interested in bringing their home state’s idiocy with them...I don’t mind those. Unfortunately a lot of them (now that they are comfortable here) are starting to make the noise of “we ought to...” that is the start of the commie *expletive deleted*it they just left.

And god forbid you live in an HOA because they have no problem weaponizing it against you. And speaking of housing good luck buying a house when the moving in stampede brings $500k cash with them and snatches houses within a few hours of one going on market. They can afford to buy any house and have it remodeled to their specs. If you are like me and have to go through the normal inspection/offer process forget about it.

It also makes driving a pain in the ass not only because of the heavy increase in traffic but because all the different driving styles from different areas are incompatible.

[Ron]

Overall I can’t stand the out of staters moving here to SC. A few of them are OK and aren’t interested in bringing their home state’s idiocy with them...I don’t mind those. Unfortunately a lot of them (now that they are comfortable here) are starting to make the noise of “we ought to...” that is the start of the commie *expletive deleted*it they just left.

And god forbid you live in an HOA because they have no problem weaponizing it against you. And speaking of housing good luck buying a house when the moving in stampede brings $500k cash with them and snatches houses within a few hours of one going on market. They can afford to buy any house and have it remodeled to their specs. If you are like me and have to go through the normal inspection/offer process forget about it.

It also makes driving a pain in the ass not only because of the heavy increase in traffic but because all the different driving styles from different areas are incompatible.

Diversity is our strength, lol