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mek42

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there is no polygamy in America
« on: May 27, 2008, 03:13:13 PM »
I am tired of hearing the news using the word polygamy to describe the polygyny practiced by various Mormon and Islam sects.  Unless women have multiple husbands in addition to men having multiple wives it is polygyny, not polygamy.  (For completeness, if the case was only women having multiple husbands it would be polyandry.)

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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #1 on: May 27, 2008, 03:15:53 PM »
Why are you so upset about it?

BTW, how many wives do you have?   grin
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #2 on: May 27, 2008, 03:25:44 PM »
And it's a "magazine" - not a "clip"  laugh
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2008, 03:32:51 PM »
I thought "polygamy" was a catchall that described both polyandry and polygyny?
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2008, 03:53:12 PM »
It's been one of those days and I just needed to rant.

One wife is quite enough, thank you!

And yes, this may be a science definition versus the general public usage thing.

But for a Garand they are clips!

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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2008, 03:58:11 PM »
Oh, just saw your latest post.  What annoys me is that they keep calling them "spiritual marriages."  To me, that term implies that the marriage is purely Platonic, without any sexual contact.  Extralegal or alegal would seem more appropriate terms. 


mek, where are you getting your definitions?  Going by the dictionary definitions I've seen, by common usage, and by simply looking at the roots of the words, you would appear to be quite mistaken.  So far as I know:

Polygamy is any marriage with more than two participants.  "Poly" refers to "many" and "gamy" refers (roughly) to marriage.

Polygyny means having more than one female sexual partner, regardless of marriage.

Polyandry means having more than one male sexual partner, regardless of marriage.

The only term I know of for a marriage with multiple male AND female partners is "complex marriage," as in the Oneida Colony. 
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2008, 04:20:04 PM »
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2008, 05:52:34 PM »
Oh, just saw your latest post.  What annoys me is that they keep calling them "spiritual marriages."  To me, that term implies that the marriage is purely Platonic, without any sexual contact.  Extralegal or alegal would seem more appropriate terms. 


mek, where are you getting your definitions?  Going by the dictionary definitions I've seen, by common usage, and by simply looking at the roots of the words, you would appear to be quite mistaken.  So far as I know:

Polygamy is any marriage with more than two participants.  "Poly" refers to "many" and "gamy" refers (roughly) to marriage.

Polygyny means having more than one female sexual partner, regardless of marriage.

Polyandry means having more than one male sexual partner, regardless of marriage.

The only term I know of for a marriage with multiple male AND female partners is "complex marriage," as in the Oneida Colony. 

I was extrapolating from the mating behavior part of the Sex, Evolution and Behavior class I took that satisfied the Women's Studies requirement in college.  I'll admit that this may not be the same as common / legal usage.  To use more words, I had thought that polygamy would require that both men with multiple wives and women with multiple husbands be allowed more or less equally within a subculture, else things would more properly be called polygyny or polyandry.  Wouldn't the big group marriage (complex) be a form of polygamy?

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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2008, 06:34:40 PM »
Wouldn't the big group marriage (complex) be a form of polygamy?


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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2008, 07:45:09 PM »
Couldn't we just call it an orgy and get on with our lives?
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2008, 07:47:39 PM »
Couldn't we just call it an orgy and get on with our lives?

first intellegent responce i've seen on this thread.
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2008, 04:23:57 AM »
Actually, it's my understanding that multiple marriages are illegal in the states. Therefore, there are no multiple (legitimate) marriages in the states.

Illegitimate/extralegal partnerships tend to be outside the scope of the law, and are hardly worth calling 'multiple marriages' unless you allow that everyone with a sexually intimate girlfriend is married, and those with mistresses are also practicing multiple marriage.
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2008, 04:26:16 AM »
What is I have multiple Garands?

Am I practicing Polygarandism?
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #13 on: May 28, 2008, 04:32:52 AM »
Couldn't we just call it an orgy and get on with our lives?

first intellegent responce i've seen on this thread.

mmm okay!

One wife is too much most of the time. Why the hell would anyone want two or more?



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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #14 on: May 28, 2008, 06:22:38 AM »
. . . One wife is too much most of the time. Why the hell would anyone want two or more?

From, IIRC, the arab sheikh in the movie Ben-Hur:

One wife, no good.
Two wives, always fight.
Three wives, two against one.
Four wives, perfect.
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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2008, 06:40:41 AM »
I can't remember who said it, but:

"The definition of Polygamy having one wife too many, while the defintion of Monogamy is having one wife too many."

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Re: there is no polygamy in America
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2008, 07:17:14 AM »
Of course there's no polygamy.....it's illegal in the US.....that would be like saying that there are handguns in D.C........

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