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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #125 on: February 07, 2023, 02:16:30 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #126 on: February 07, 2023, 02:19:52 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #127 on: February 07, 2023, 02:26:42 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #128 on: February 07, 2023, 05:55:39 PM »
Moar balloonacy pleez
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #129 on: February 07, 2023, 07:24:30 PM »
I saw this and wondered if we will start seeing narco balloons coming up from the South.  The military will take them out at the Northern border.

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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #130 on: February 07, 2023, 07:26:57 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #131 on: February 07, 2023, 07:30:09 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #132 on: February 07, 2023, 07:35:02 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #133 on: February 07, 2023, 07:36:42 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #135 on: February 08, 2023, 10:27:56 AM »
https://amgreatness.com/2023/02/07/did-biden-tell-china-to-send-the-balloon/

The gist is that Biden decided unilaterally to add China to the Open Skies treaty. He gave them permission to fly the balloon, and was hoping no one would notice.

Just speculation.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #136 on: February 08, 2023, 10:58:42 AM »
I eagerly await the U2 overflight of China. 

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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #137 on: February 08, 2023, 10:59:15 AM »
I seriously doubt we'll ever know the whole story or be able to reliably separate the true story from all the noise
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #138 on: February 08, 2023, 06:21:39 PM »
A plan is just a list of things that doesn't happen.
Is defenestration possible through the overton window?

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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #139 on: February 08, 2023, 07:07:10 PM »
There have been previous attempts to shoot down errant high altitude weather balloons from fighter aircraft.  Despite it seeming to be a simple task, it really hasn't worked all that well.  Below is a link to one occasion where CF-18s (Canuck F-18) expended over 1000 rounds of 20mm and weren't successful in bringing down a balloon.

https://www.businessinsider.com/runaway-weather-balloon-fighter-jets-history-2023-2?op=1

The History Guy chimes in:

https://youtu.be/yqC9ICdfhQM
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #140 on: February 09, 2023, 02:37:41 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #141 on: February 10, 2023, 10:18:25 AM »
Now Biden is down playing this

Biden says Chinese spy balloon was 'NOT a major breach' because all countries gather intelligence, and defends waiting to shoot it down - despite it being able to collect Americans' communications
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11736281/Biden-says-Chinese-spy-balloon-NOT-major-breach.html
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #142 on: February 10, 2023, 11:32:01 AM »
Now Biden is down playing this

Biden says Chinese spy balloon was 'NOT a major breach' because all countries gather intelligence, and defends waiting to shoot it down - despite it being able to collect Americans' communications
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11736281/Biden-says-Chinese-spy-balloon-NOT-major-breach.html

As one of the pioneers of aerial intelligence gathering, I agree it is somewhat hypocritical of the USA criticizing other countries for doing the same thing.  We were also the originators of 'navigational mistakes' explaining why our aircraft just happened to stray across a border and take pictures of intelligence value.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #143 on: February 10, 2023, 11:37:23 AM »
As one of the pioneers of aerial intelligence gathering, I agree it is somewhat hypocritical of the USA criticizing other countries for doing the same thing.  We were also the originators of 'navigational mistakes' explaining why our aircraft just happened to stray across a border and take pictures of intelligence value.

No argument there.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #144 on: February 11, 2023, 12:14:20 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #145 on: February 11, 2023, 06:48:51 PM »
And a 3rd "object" shot down over Canada this afternoon.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #146 on: February 11, 2023, 07:21:32 PM »
The second and third objects were just swamp gas.  That's easy stuff to shoot down.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #147 on: February 11, 2023, 11:25:06 PM »
F-15 Fighter Pilot Explains Why Latest Object Shot Down Over Alaska Is ‘Unusual’
https://www.dailywire.com/news/f-15-fighter-pilot-explains-why-latest-object-shot-down-over-alaska-is-unusual
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The unidentified object reportedly had a “cylindrical shape” and was much smaller in size than the Chinese spy balloon that was shot down last week.

“We have no further details about the object at this time, including any description of its capabilities, purpose or origin,” said Pentagon spokesperson Brig. Gen. Pat Ryder. “The object was about the size of a small car, so not similar in size or shape to the high-altitude surveillance balloon that was taken down off the coast of South Carolina.”


U.S. Military, NORAD Release New Statement About Object Shot Down Over Alaska
https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-military-norad-release-new-statement-about-object-shot-down-over-alaska
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“Recovery operations continue today near Deadhorse, Alaska. U.S. Northern Command’s Alaska Command and the Alaska National Guard, in close coordination with the Federal Bureau of Investigation and local law enforcement, are conducting search and recovery activities,” the statement said. “Arctic weather conditions, including wind chill, snow, and limited daylight, are a factor in this operation, and personnel will adjust recovery operations to maintain safety.”

U.S. officials said that the recovery operations were happening on sea ice and there was not any additional information at this time about the object, including its capabilities, purpose, or origin.

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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #148 on: February 11, 2023, 11:29:52 PM »
U.S. Military Unable To Find Alleged Object That Caused FAA To Close Airspace In Montana
https://www.dailywire.com/news/u-s-military-unable-to-find-alleged-object-that-caused-faa-to-close-airspace-in-montana

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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #149 on: February 11, 2023, 11:40:14 PM »
All of my Mil and GOV contacts have retired so I can't get any info. Is this all distraction or something to worry about?
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