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John G

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BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« on: September 25, 2013, 05:29:37 PM »
I sometimes forget these guys actually do stuff with tobacco.  :O

http://www.my9nj.com/Story/23526553/us-atf-misplaced-420-million-cigarettes-in-stings

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ATF officials allowed a tobacco distributor working as an ATF confidential informant to keep $4.9 million in profits from cigarette sales to criminal suspects. ATF officials justified the move by explaining the $4.9 million covered the informant's expenses.

Well sure, you've got to cover expenses.
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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2013, 05:35:49 PM »
Yup.  I actually watched them run booze samples through an HPLC once, in their regional laboratory. 
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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2013, 05:58:11 PM »
So wait a second.   BATFEI-EI-EIO conducted undercover "investigations" to make money to pay for the investigations and then turned over the money to guy selling the illegal cigarettes so that he could cover his costs.

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An ATF spokeswoman disputed the inspector general's 2.1 million carton tally for cigarettes that could not be accounted for during the inquiry. "In contrast to the OIG auditors' numbers, ATF's reconstructive inventory showed only 447,218 cartons that were not reconciled because of insufficient documentation," said ATF spokeswoman Ginger Colbrun.

IIRC there are 20 cigarettes in a pack, 10 packs in a carton.  So instead of losing 420,000,000 cigarettes.  They only lost 89,443,600.  That's much better.  :facepalm: :facepalm:

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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2013, 06:01:36 PM »
You guys are totally being mean to the ATF.

The only reason they lost them, is because there's no serial numbers on each cigarette, and each smoker doesn't have to undergo a background check prior to smoking.  If we just had mandatory health screening background checks and 3 day waiting periods, this would have never happened.
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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2013, 09:09:44 PM »
I wish we could misplace the BATFE.
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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2013, 09:23:59 PM »
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While accepting responsibility for "management and oversight lapses that allowed those deficiencies to develop," he insisted that "the report's findings do not reflect current ATF policy or practice in this area."

So the Keystone Kops are running other areas, but this one is cleaned up.  Great.

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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2013, 11:08:23 PM »
They have limited resources and had to concentrate on AR's and shotguns with short barrels.  It's not like cigarettes can kill people or anything.

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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2013, 10:22:46 AM »
They have limited resources and had to concentrate on AR's and shotguns with short barrels.  It's not like cigarettes can kill people or anything.
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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2013, 12:07:09 PM »
. . . there's no serial numbers on each cigarette, and each smoker doesn't have to undergo a background check prior to smoking.  If we just had mandatory health screening background checks and 3 day waiting periods, this would have never happened.

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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2013, 07:04:26 PM »
You guys are totally being mean to the ATF.

The only reason they lost them, is because there's no serial numbers on each cigarette, and each smoker doesn't have to undergo a background check prior to smoking.  If we just had mandatory health screening background checks and 3 day waiting periods, this would have never happened.

But since I do not smoke (any more) putting serial numbers on them and requiring background checks/doctor's permission slips will not effect me, so why should I care?

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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2013, 10:44:30 AM »
I'm currently a smoker.  I've been a non-smoker before and will be again.  After that I'll be a smoker again.  So it goes . . .

Regardless of my status as a smoker, I prefer a world in which personal choice is just that.

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Re: BATFE "misplaced" 420 million cigarettes
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2013, 11:00:07 AM »
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I'm currently a smoker.  I've been a non-smoker before and will be again.  After that I'll be a smoker again.  So it goes . . .

You'd better be prepared, because there's a lot of otherwise conservative and/or libertarian folks here who resort to liberal arguments when it comes to smoking.