Post by: Manedwolf on May 13, 2008, 04:17:27 PM
She knows quite well it's her last chance.
The convention is going to be hilarious.
Post by: Scout26 on May 13, 2008, 05:44:55 PM
"Oh Boy !!! This is gonna be great !!!"
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 13, 2008, 06:00:07 PM
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 13, 2008, 08:30:06 PM
Post by: 209 on May 13, 2008, 09:12:19 PM
Paddy I don't think so.
At this point, I agree. But, if we're wrong, this country is going to take a hit that makes our current situation seems like a love tap.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 13, 2008, 09:14:03 PM
Post by: 209 on May 14, 2008, 01:10:57 AM
Well at least I will have time after I return home to stock up on ammo.
Better hurry up, it's getting expensive.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 14, 2008, 01:16:47 AM
Post by: Fly320s on May 14, 2008, 03:33:13 AM
I have my ways.
<insert evil laugh>Hey, if you've got inside info on good ammo deals, spill it. There's a rule about that here. Or there should be.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 14, 2008, 03:38:28 AM
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 14, 2008, 03:45:10 AM
Doesn't matter. Either Dem will beat McCain. And I don't care which.
Hey, wipe the venom off your chin.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 14, 2008, 04:04:02 AM
Well at least I will have time after I return home to stock up on ammo.
Not ammo, semiauto handguns and stripped receivers.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 14, 2008, 04:12:08 AM
Going to buy a Para-Ord .45.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 14, 2008, 04:15:06 AM
Working the pistol angle already.
Going to buy a Para-Ord .45.
Going to buy a Para-Ord .45.
I'd add a few $100 stripped AR lowers to that order, or some of your favorite rifles. Because especially if Obama gets it, he did say he was in favor of banning just about everything, so he'd push for and then sign. Interesting little bit that he also supported the Joyce Foundation when they put out that book "Every Handgun is Aimed At You".
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 14, 2008, 06:39:20 AM
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Hey, wipe the venom off your chin.
Payback's a beeyatch, ain't it?
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 14, 2008, 06:55:55 AM
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Hey, wipe the venom off your chin.
Payback's a beeyatch, ain't it?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 14, 2008, 07:01:52 AM
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Hey, wipe the venom off your chin.
Payback's a beeyatch, ain't it?
Coupla things.
1) Ignore the BIG LIE that Dems are after my guns. They've long since discovered it's a losing issue for them. It's another fearmongering tactic of the right.
2) Remain aware that Republicans are every bit as much anti freedom as Dems. It's the GOP who've stomped on the Constitution over the past 7 years.
Post by: Manedwolf on May 14, 2008, 07:03:46 AM
Big lie. Right. The 1994-2004 AWB created by Democrats didn't exist.
Oooookay then.
Post by: Scout26 on May 14, 2008, 07:30:18 AM
And all the Chicago Dems who vote lock step for anti 2A bills in Springfield don't really mean it ??
(including Obama when he was a state legislator....)
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 14, 2008, 07:34:54 AM
1) Ignore the BIG LIE that Dems are after my guns. They've long since discovered it's a losing issue for them. It's another fearmongering tactic of the right.
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 14, 2008, 07:35:05 AM
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Hey, wipe the venom off your chin.
Payback's a beeyatch, ain't it?
Payback for what?
Payback for voting democrat and third party in the last election?
You make very little sense anymore. You mustn'ta got laid on vacation, because you came back crankier and crazier than before. Your venomous diatribes are annoying and nonsensical. I'm glad you're not voting this election.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 14, 2008, 07:36:25 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 14, 2008, 07:38:26 AM
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Payback for voting democrat and third party in the last election?
You're delusional. I've never voted Dem and third party only once, back in '92.
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 14, 2008, 07:40:36 AM
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Payback for voting democrat and third party in the last election?
You're delusional. I've never voted Dem and third party only once, back in '92.
I'm talking about myself. I'm still trying to figure out what the hell you meant by payback. But arguing with you is like wrestling a greased pig.
Define this payback.
Post by: wmenorr67 on May 14, 2008, 07:42:14 AM
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 14, 2008, 07:47:59 AM
Apparently you thought I was referring to payback directed at you. Everything is not about you.
Post by: charby on May 14, 2008, 07:57:08 AM
The 'payback' to which I refer is payback to the Republican party for screwing its constituency, especially over the last 7 years. That' payback will come in the form of losing elections, the big one being this November.
Apparently you thought I was referring to payback directed at you. Everything is not about you.
Apparently you thought I was referring to payback directed at you. Everything is not about you.
Funny thing, the Democrats are feeling that way here in Iowa. They feel like the Democrat party has screwed them, I've even heard a few folks who would never vote Republican have decided to vote for McCain over Hillbama.
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 14, 2008, 07:59:44 AM
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Funny thing, the Democrats are feeling that way here in Iowa. They feel like the Democrat party has screwed them, I've even heard a few folks who would never vote Republican have decided to vote for McCain over Hillbama.
I suppose that would matter if a national election was ever decided by Iowa. AFAIK, that's not likely.
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 14, 2008, 08:00:35 AM
Gun control is not the exlusive territory of Democrats. There are a number of pro AWB Republicans. Reagan signed anti gun legislation as Governor of CA. Bush Sr. prohibited the import of some SKS's. Schwarzenegger signed both the .50 cal ban and microstamping bills. To assert that only Republicans will somehow 'protect' gun rights is blind foolishness.
I'm not asserting it in the least. I don't see a clear champion of the Second Amendment among the 3 majors.
IMHO Obama will be the Dem candidate, and has a better than 50/50 shot at winning in November. My fear is that with him in office and a majority in both houses, he may push for legislation that makes the AWB seem like a house resolution supporting wooden bats in MLB.
You are the most vocal posting member of this board supporting the Democrats, and your sig line is "Come and take them" from Thermopylae. I'm just trying to figure out what you would do if your wish comes true, and if my fears are valid.
Do you hand them over or not?
Post by: The Annoyed Man on May 14, 2008, 10:17:24 AM
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You are the most vocal posting member of this board supporting the Democrats, and your sig line is "Come and take them" from Thermopylae. I'm just trying to figure out what you would do if your wish comes true, and if my fears are valid.
Do you hand them over or not?
Do you hand them over or not?
First, I do not support Democrats. I've never voted for a Democrat and most likely never will. The goal is not that a Democrat win, but that the Republicans lose. And I think they only need to lose big one time. Then they'll get it and begin representing their constituency again. But they're confused as to who their constituency is. The problem is you who continue to vote Republican yet continually bitch about them as they continue to act like Democrats.
You'd rather 'hold your nose' and vote Republican. So, accept the consequences and quit complaining. Instead, look in the mirror and you'll see the source of your unhappiness. If you keep doing what you've always done, you always get what you always got. You're fear based. You've drunk the rightwing neocon fearmongering KoolAid that without Republicans in office, the Dems will eat your lunch, take your guns, kill your kids and lock you up.
I want change. I want representation. I want Republicans to act like Republicans and repent and turn away from their big government, big spending, corporated asskissing, freedom grabbing ways. The only way I see to get there is to spank them, and spank them hard, by letting nature take its course and withdrawing support for them. And, I'm hoping there are millions of disaffected Republicans like me who will do the same.
You know, one day you quivering, fear based automatons will thank those of use who won representation in government back for you. Think of me as your Rosa Parks.
Oh, and 'Come and Take Them' means 'Come and Take Them'. I won't surrender my firearms. Period. End of Story. I had a long talk with my Dad, a WWII combat vet, shortly before he died, about this very subject. If I had any reservations before that conversation, I certainly have none afterward. I'm 62 now and will be older by the time anybody comes to 'take them'. And again, there are millions more like me. When the dust settles, you youngsters may have only us old farts to thank for standing up against tyranny, which will never come if your Constitutional rights are represented in government.
And that's the whole point of free elections, isn't it?
Post by: xavier fremboe on May 14, 2008, 10:53:56 AM
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You are the most vocal posting member of this board supporting the Democrats, and your sig line is "Come and take them" from Thermopylae. I'm just trying to figure out what you would do if your wish comes true, and if my fears are valid.
Do you hand them over or not?
Do you hand them over or not?
First, I do not support Democrats. I've never voted for a Democrat and most likely never will. The goal is not that a Democrat win, but that the Republicans lose. And I think they only need to lose big one time. Then they'll get it and begin representing their constituency again. But they're confused as to who their constituency is. The problem is you who continue to vote Republican yet continually bitch about them as they continue to act like Democrats.
You'd rather 'hold your nose' and vote Republican. So, accept the consequences and quit complaining. Instead, look in the mirror and you'll see the source of your unhappiness. If you keep doing what you've always done, you always get what you always got. You're fear based. You've drunk the rightwing neocon fearmongering KoolAid that without Republicans in office, the Dems will eat your lunch, take your guns, kill your kids and lock you up.
I want change. I want representation. I want Republicans to act like Republicans and repent and turn away from their big government, big spending, corporated asskissing, freedom grabbing ways. The only way I see to get there is to spank them, and spank them hard, by letting nature take its course and withdrawing support for them. And, I'm hoping there are millions of disaffected Republicans like me who will do the same.
You know, one day you quivering, fear based automatons will thank those of use who won representation in government back for you. Think of me as your Rosa Parks.
Oh, and 'Come and Take Them' means 'Come and Take Them'. I won't surrender my firearms. Period. End of Story. I had a long talk with my Dad, a WWII combat vet, shortly before he died, about this very subject. If I had any reservations before that conversation, I certainly have none afterward. I'm 62 now and will be older by the time anybody comes to 'take them'. And again, there are millions more like me. When the dust settles, you youngsters may have only us old farts to thank for standing up against tyranny, which will never come if your Constitutional rights are represented in government.
And that's the whole point of free elections, isn't it?
Post by: 41magsnub on May 14, 2008, 11:12:43 AM
In this position what should I vote for come election day? The Democrat (shudder), McCain, or "throw my vote away" so to speak. Granted I'm in Montana and nobody cares which way we go anyway with our whopping 3 electoral college votes....
Post by: grampster on May 14, 2008, 12:07:17 PM
My suggestion is that we hope that the Libertarians put up Bob Barr as their candidate. Now old Bob has his faults, but he does believe as we do more often than not. If every disaffected Republican voted Libertarian, they would not win, but there could be a very large vote that way, even more than Perot. If that happened and all those disaffected R's began a massive letter writing campaign to every newspaper in the country stating why they voted as they did, as well as flooding congress with the same letters, the next President would be harmless for 4 years, no matter who he or she was.
Maybe then the R's would quit trying to be the Caspar Milqutoast party and get start getting as aggressive as the D's.
America needs to progress, not regress!! Regression is the song of the D's and most of the R's. That song needs to be shut down. America did not become the noble powerhouse innovative nation of free men and women by slinking around and apologizing for our success and believe that we can actually progress by conservation. Progress only comes by taking on the undoable.
Post by: Jamisjockey on May 14, 2008, 02:34:55 PM
The 'payback' to which I refer is payback to the Republican party for screwing its constituency, especially over the last 7 years. That' payback will come in the form of losing elections, the big one being this November.
Apparently you thought I was referring to payback directed at you. Everything is not about you.
Apparently you thought I was referring to payback directed at you. Everything is not about you.
Lookie there, you strung together a lucid thought!
Post by: vernal45 on May 14, 2008, 02:37:34 PM
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Coupla things.
1) Ignore the BIG LIE that Dems are after my guns. They've long since discovered it's a losing issue for them. It's another fearmongering tactic of the right.
1) Ignore the BIG LIE that Dems are after my guns. They've long since discovered it's a losing issue for them. It's another fearmongering tactic of the right.
Ok, how do I ignore that every year, since the AWB expired, Democrats try to reinstate it, or worse? HR 1022 by Carolyn McCarthy...
Post by: cassandra and sara's daddy on May 14, 2008, 02:46:51 PM
oh yea stop reading any of their stuff where they feature gun control as part of their platform
Post by: CAnnoneer on May 14, 2008, 08:38:26 PM
By the way, I do not understand why so many people have surrendered to the idea that Obama will win the nomination. Both candidates have a lot of votes, while the superdelegates are highly unstable and can switch three times by Sunday. With such a huge superdelegate presence, it is not over until it is over. Hillary is right to stay and fight. That is far more American than giving up and sucking up to the media's favorite. While I generally dislike her, that is one thing I can respect her for - the fighting spirit.
As far as the general election, polls show that about a quarter of the Dems will not vote or vote for McCain if their candidate (either Hillary or Obama) does not win the nomination. If roughly half the votes are Democratic, this means a margin of roughly 12% of total votes swinging against the Dem nominee. As close as the previous two elections have been, the 12% is a big liability to the Dems. Because of this, I for one feel good about November.
Money-wise, the Dems are really drained fighting each other. Hillary is in the red, while Obama cannot collect a second helping from his huge electronic network of grass roots supporters without violating the campaign financing laws, to the best of my understanding. By the way, CFL is also what has been killing Hillary financially.
What McCain needs to do is pull off the gloves and start clobbering the nominee Dukakis-style, once the nominee is appointed. I get the impression he is playing it cool for now, to try to stay under the radar of hostile media for as long as possible while collecting money for the general election. If that is what he is doing, he is smarter than I thought.