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CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« on: January 30, 2007, 07:20:04 PM »
I will agree that incandescent bulbs are inefficient compared to some of the alternatives. When they talk "ban them" though, it just makes me wanna go and put 150 watt bulbs in every light socket I have.

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 California may ban conventional lightbulbs by 2012

By Bernie WoodallTue Jan 30, 9:05 PM ET

A California lawmaker wants to make his state the first to ban incandescent lightbulbs as part of California's groundbreaking initiatives to reduce energy use and greenhouse gases blamed for global warming.

The "How Many Legislators Does it Take to Change a Lightbulb Act" would ban incandescent lightbulbs by 2012 in favor of energy-saving compact fluorescent lightbulbs.

"Incandescent lightbulbs were first developed almost 125 years ago, and since that time they have undergone no major modifications," California Assemblyman Lloyd Levine said on Tuesday.

"Meanwhile, they remain incredibly inefficient, converting only about 5 percent of the energy they receive into light."

Levine is expected to introduce the legislation this week, his office said.

If passed, it would be another pioneering environmental effort in California, the most populous U.S. state. It became the first state to mandate cuts in greenhouse gas emissions, targeting a 25 percent reduction in emissions by 2020.

Compact fluorescent lightbulbs (CFLs) use about 25 percent of the energy of conventional lightbulbs.

Many CFLs have a spiral shape, which was introduced in 1980. By 2005, about 100 million CFLs were sold in the United States, or about 5 percent of the 2-billion-lightbulb market, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency.

That number could more than double this year. Wal-Mart Stores Inc. alone wants to sell 100 million CFLs at its stores by the end of 2007, the world's biggest retailer said in November.

While it will not give opinion on the possible California law, the EPA recommends CFLs.

"They save money and energy," EPA spokeswoman Enesta Jones said. "They are more convenient than other alternatives and come in different sizes and shapes to fit almost any fixture."

Also, CFLs generate 70 percent less heat than incandescent lights, Jones said.

About a fifth of the average U.S. home's electricity costs pays for lighting, which means even if CFLs initially cost more than conventional lightbulbs, consumers will save, Jones said.

A 20-watt CFL gives as much light as a 75-watt conventional bulb, and lasts 13 times longer, according to the Rocky Mountain Institute, a nonprofit group studying energy issues.

Southern California Edison, an Edison International subsidiary and one of the state's biggest utilities, runs a program that cuts the cost of a CFL by $1 to $2.50. In the past year, SCE has helped consumers buy 6 million CFLs, it said.

California Energy Commission member Arthur Rosenfeld said an average home in California will save $40 to $50 per year if CFLs replace all incandescent bulbs.

While not commenting specifically on Levine's likely legislation, Rosenfeld, winner of the Enrico Fermi Presidential Award in 2006, said the switch from incandescent bulbs became feasible about five years ago when CFL performance improved.

"This is clearly an idea whose time has come," he said.

Levine, a Democrat from Van Nuys in Los Angeles, last year introduced a bill that will become law in July that requires most grocery stores to have plastic bag recycling.
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2007, 07:24:20 PM »
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The "How Many Legislators Does it Take to Change a Lightbulb Act" would ban incandescent lightbulbs by 2012 in favor of energy-saving compact fluorescent lightbulbs.
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2007, 07:40:37 PM »
Actually, that ban is not such a bad idea, apart from its unfairness to the consumer, its smacking of bolshevism, its restriction of the free market forces, and its general socialist busybody stench.

Should consumers resplace incandascent bulbs with fluorescent bulbs? Yes, if they are smart. Should the gov force them to do it? No, because it is a slippery slope. Next thing, they will ban refined sugar because it promotes obesity, and excessive salt because it is bad for your hypertension.

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2007, 07:46:30 PM »
No, it's not a slippery slope, it's just a wet blade of grass about 2/3 down the slope.  How's it goin' down there, California?  See you soon. 
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2007, 07:50:27 PM »
What the heck, they already have a law for how much water your toilet uses. Another law telling consumers what type of washing machine to buy.

Next will be a law mandating how many holes will be allowed in the top of a salt shaker, to regulate salt usage.
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2007, 08:00:01 PM »
I think the proposed ban is ludicrous.

However, I have to vouch for those fluorescent bulbs.  I have them throughout my house, and have replaced only one since I've lived here.  They've come way down in price, and they no longer flicker to life like they used to.  Mostly, I like them for their long service life. 

When you have a house with 4 people and 4 animals, ANY reduction in home maintenance is noticeable and welcome.

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2007, 08:15:59 PM »
"Incandescent lightbulbs were first developed almost 125 years ago, and since that time they have undergone no major modifications,"

Well, Mr. Levine, state legislators were developed over 200 years ago, and you're a sign that there's been no major modifications or improvements since then.

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2007, 08:24:06 PM »
Looks to me like the California Legislature needs a collective visit from the ol' clue-bat.....


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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2007, 08:25:01 PM »
Come, come.  You could wear out a forest on those hard heads.  Wouldn't help.

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2007, 08:26:58 PM »
It's probably illegal in California.  Cutting down trees to build bats is bad for the environment.   police

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2007, 08:46:29 PM »
especially when the cluebat looks like this:


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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2007, 04:24:45 AM »
Light bulb smuggling, anyone?
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2007, 04:32:55 AM »
I can see it now. Blackout drapes to prevent the authorities from spotting the warm, inviting glow of illegal lightbulbs in use.

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"Incandescent lightbulbs were first developed almost 125 years ago, and since that time they have undergone no major modifications,"

Yeah, Mr. Legislator. Because an Edwardian loop-filament handblown bulb is just the same as an 4100 kelvin UV-filtered MR-16 halogen flood.  rolleyes

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2007, 04:50:25 AM »
First, banning incandescent light bulbs by decree.  Next, banning cathode-ray computer monitors and televisions because they have filament-driven electron guns. High-end vacuum tube audio components? Next!

I really like the twisted tube fluorescent lights, in our family of four people and 2 big dogs, my energy bill has benefited a goodly amount.  I miss being able to use a dimmer on the light fixtures, but someday they'll figure out a way to do that, too.

And that's all the incentive people, even in Kalifornia, need to switch over.  Smaller electric bills, rebates on the purchases of the fluorescent or LED bulbs, and maybe even fewer rolling blackouts. It shouldn't be illegal to own a couple halogen shop lamps or other high-wattage light sources, the owner is probably well aware that they're not efficient, regardless of legislation.  rolleyes
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2007, 05:08:55 AM »
I'm sorry but I'm old, I'm half blind, I can't see **** with them stupid bulbs.

And yet, harping back on another pet peeve, let's see them ban 1 person per car traffic jams. The biggest user of energy and polluter of the air there is is your car but instead they'll go after kight bulbs. I count my blessings now that I left Kali in 1980, I used to miss the place, now I'm glad it all worked out that way. OK, I still miss the beaches,,, and the surf.  sad
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #15 on: January 31, 2007, 06:11:25 AM »
Personally, I'm a fan of the fluorescent light bulbs under MOST circumstances. I just purchased 6- 90 watt fluorescent floodlights for the exterior of my house. They say on the package they only use some 20 watts and will last SEVEN years. That's an added benefit for me because my wife likes them on at dark and until bedtime and I won't have to get out the ladder to change the light bulbs mounted in the eves. During Minnesota winters, a dozen 100 watt incandescent bulbs can eat up a lot of electricity However, there are times when the type of light emitted from the fluorescent bulbs just doesn't work. I also have a major problem with incandescent light bulbs being legislated out of existence. I'd much rather let the free market decide what's working and what's not.
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #16 on: January 31, 2007, 06:12:22 AM »
Light bulb smuggling, anyone?

That was my first thought.   grin

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2007, 06:42:37 AM »
"I miss being able to use a dimmer on the light fixtures, but someday they'll figure out a way to do that, too."

they've had dimmable fluorescents for a bunch of years now.

They're becoming more common all the time.
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2007, 06:47:26 AM »
"I miss being able to use a dimmer on the light fixtures, but someday they'll figure out a way to do that, too."

they've had dimmable fluorescents for a bunch of years now.

They're becoming more common all the time.

I can't use them, because I can hear them. To my perception, the dimmers on those produce a loud buzzing whine that I can hear. I can also hear a no-signal CRT screen that's on anywhere in a house.

So no dimmable ones for me...they drive me nuts.

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« Reply #19 on: January 31, 2007, 07:07:03 AM »
Yeah, that high-pitched whine from fluorescents and CRT monitors/televisions used to drive me absolutely buggy.  Wife #1 and Wife #2 thought I was just "hearing things".

Switching to LCD computer monitors and my new plasma HDTV have made life a lot more bearable.

Mike, thanks for the heads-up.  I'll keep an eye open for dimmable twisted-tube fluorescent bulbs, I'm heading off to Menard's this afternoon, as a matter of fact!  Hopefully they don't squeal and whine like the others...
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #20 on: January 31, 2007, 07:14:04 AM »
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #21 on: January 31, 2007, 10:12:02 AM »
And how, exactly would they enforce this ban? 

As my friend, who's a local cop told me, "They can make all the laws they want, but if we don't have the funding and resources to enforce, it's pretty much an empty gesture".   Or words to that effect.

On a more fundamental level, what is with this "banning" mentality?  It's such a lazy, non-thinking way of dealing (or not dealing) with problems.  Quite Orewellian if you ask me.

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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #22 on: January 31, 2007, 10:18:17 AM »
They'd simply make it illegal for any store to sell incandescent bulbs in the state, and would make it illegal to purchase them online.

They would shut off the sources, the same way that they've done with a lot of firearms in California.
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #23 on: January 31, 2007, 11:05:13 AM »
Fluorescents are OK for some applications, but suck rocks for lower light level reading and are pretty ghastly relative to incandescents in a lot of applications.

I use the fluorescents in the garage, however, to reduce hte amount of heat in there in the summer and for some of my outdoor lighting.
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Re: CA Proposes Light Bulb Ban
« Reply #24 on: January 31, 2007, 11:06:53 AM »
The difference is that there was the weight of federal legislation backing up the Cali gun bans.  To legally get a gun transferred from out of state, you had to go through an FFL.  Lightbulbs have no such laws.  You just walk into a store, buy them, and go home.  Of course, that only works for folks that live near the border...

We've sunk very low to be discussing a LIGHT BULB ban.

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