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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2008, 05:51:33 AM »
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I pledge conditional allegiance, to the United States of G@dd@mn America, and to the tolerance for which some of us stand, not including those bitter, gun-toting or bible-thumping types (you know who I mean), one multicultural nation of which for the first time in my adult life I am really proud, under Obama, indivisible (for we are the ones), with federal benefits and free health care for all but those bitter types previously mentioned.


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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2008, 05:54:54 AM »
The Obama pledge will be to the United Nations, not the United States.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #28 on: April 13, 2008, 09:47:29 AM »
In general, if you criticize or even just don't agree with Obama's statements and positions the apologists pull the "you are either too stupid to understand what he meant in context" or "you are deliberately pulling things out of context".

Like most elites they feel that they have the sole grasp on revealed truth, they cannot conceive that you might have a reasoned counter-argument.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2008, 11:26:22 AM »
Personally, I think the Wright speech and the events surrounding it were the beginning of the end of his candidacy.  Speeches like this only bury him further.  He will keep a lot of those core supporters, but I don't see him gaining anymore.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2008, 11:52:13 AM »
My dad likes to point out the reaction of a Manhattan socialite to the election of some politician years ago.

"I can't see how that man won, no one I know voted for him."

There are people in this country whose minds work in foreign ways to mine and there are a lot of them.  I try not to predict the effect of some event I consider major anymore.  Americans are too weird and varied for that anymore.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2008, 12:20:29 PM »
what a shock that liberals spit on basic american values!

what truely is a shock is that so many americans don't understand that liberalism is at its core anti-american.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2008, 12:58:37 PM »
Personally, I think the Wright speech and the events surrounding it were the beginning of the end of his candidacy.  Speeches like this only bury him further.  He will keep a lot of those core supporters, but I don't see him gaining anymore.


Nah.  Stuff like that will be forgotten by Nov., buried under the mountains of negative that will be heaped on McCain.  Once the Dems pick a candidate, the media will set its full attention to the demonizing of John McCain, Enemy of the People, Pawn of Haliburton, or whatever.  It will make any past criticism from conservatives seem like hagiography. 

Or were you saying that Obama would lose the nomination? 
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2008, 04:49:16 PM »
My dad likes to point out the reaction of a Manhattan socialite to the election of some politician years ago.

"I can't see how that man one, no one I know voted for him."

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2008, 02:00:54 AM »
See why I think he's a useful idiot who wouldn't make it through even one term?...

...hope McCain and the Libertarian & Constitution parties are taking notes....
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2008, 02:24:56 AM »
One is a number.  Won is victory in an election. grin laugh
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2008, 04:17:16 AM »
See why I think he's a useful idiot who wouldn't make it through even one term?...

...hope McCain and the Libertarian & Constitution parties are taking notes....

The Libertarian party is currently completely baked and has gone out to Denny's because they have the munchies. Pay attention? Nahh. cheesy

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #37 on: April 14, 2008, 04:40:33 AM »
That reminds me, there was an ad for the LP National Convention in Reason the other month.

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #38 on: April 14, 2008, 05:26:55 AM »
Living here in small town West Michigan, I'm too busy clutching my gun and bible to pay any attention to Obama.  This is my bible and this is my gun.  This is for praying and this is for fun.

Since my conscience won't allow me to vote for any D or R for president for the first time in my 64 years, (huh, I just noticed that 1964 was the first time I voted. What a coincidence, maybe even providential.) I'm glad Bob Barr decided to run Libertarian.  At first I thought he would screw things up, but actually he's given those of us who love our country an opportunity to vote with a clear conscience.

If one actually thinks about it, it doesn't make any difference who wins on the R or D side.  They are all leftist statists.  I sometimes wonder that electing McCain wouldn't actually be the worst of two evils.  He is a politician that would make it easy for what few good people there are in congress to do distasteful things.  Hillary and Obama are so far to the left that perhaps the congress might obstruct their socialist agenda and we'll have 4 years of gridlock.

As for federal judges, McCain would not appoint constitutionalist judges because it would offend his pals on the left.  Might as well have the ability to blame Democrats for appointing leftists to the bench than to bow our heads in shame because a Republican did it.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #39 on: April 14, 2008, 07:32:21 AM »
One is a number.  Won is victory in an election. grin laugh

I fixed that yesterday.  angel
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #40 on: April 14, 2008, 08:02:34 AM »
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #41 on: April 14, 2008, 08:19:48 AM »
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As for federal judges, McCain would not appoint constitutionalist judges because it would offend his pals on the left.  Might as well have the ability to blame Democrats for appointing leftists to the bench than to bow our heads in shame because a Republican did it.

The primary reason to vote for McCain is to make sure we don't get two, three, four hard-core leftists on SCOTUS and a socialist nation under the pretext of law.  You may be right that he isn't to be trusted but we at least have a chance of exerting pressure on him.  If after hearing our passion on this matter he betrays our trust, we can decide what needs to be done at that point.  The reality is that America minus the legitimacy of the Supreme Court will no longer be America, and we will all be political "freelancers" at that point.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #42 on: April 14, 2008, 11:09:56 AM »
After looking at Obama's initial speech and his "clarifications", I'm more offended than ever. Basically, he is saying....

....you don't need guns, I'll protect you.....

....you don't need God, I'll answer your prayers.....

....you don't need to worry about illegal immigrants, I'll provide for all....

...typical liberal politician arrogance that would make Comrade Stalin proud....  angry
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2008, 06:09:51 AM »
One thing I heard mentioned about McCain:  He started that "gang of 14" mess when Bush was trying to get his federal judges passed through.  Other than a few, something like over 95% of Bush's appointments were passed through the Senate along with the two SC appointments.  He is probably a better politician than Hillary and Obama put together (whether you think that is good or bad is up to you). 

I don't know what McCain has said about appointing judges, but if I had to blindly go with the appointments of either of them, I would likely pick his.  More Ginsberg appointments don't impress me.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2008, 08:55:38 AM »
Wtf? Really! Wtf?!

How can this guy have any supporters? Don't people realize the sht he says???



They are wondering to themselves what's the big deal about what he said.
Sadly, this seems to be the case. From the news I've been reading most people (specifically in PA) are doing just that.

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2008, 08:57:07 AM »
Wtf? Really! Wtf?!

How can this guy have any supporters? Don't people realize the sht he says???



They are wondering to themselves what's the big deal about what he said.
Sadly, this seems to be the case. From the news I've been reading most people (specifically in PA) are doing just that.

I think you mean specifically in Philly. People I know in PA, as in "PA that's not the leftist, dysfunctional pit of socialism and gang violence that Philly has become", are disgusted.

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2008, 11:54:27 AM »
Yeah, you're right. Philly is basically the problem. It didn't earn the nickname "Killadelphia" from law-abiding gun owners. Still, law-abiding gun owner's guns are the problem. It's obvious to those who have reached enlightenment.

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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2008, 12:41:31 PM »
I thought this was a good read on Obama's words.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/04/15/a_living_lie?page=1

A Living Lie
By Thomas Sowell
Tuesday, April 15, 2008

 An e-mail from a reader said that, while Hillary Clinton tells lies, Barack Obama is himself a lie. That is becoming painfully apparent with each new revelation of how drastically his carefully crafted image this election year contrasts with what he has actually been saying and doing for many years.

Senator Obama's election year image is that of a man who can bring the country together, overcoming differences of party or race, as well as solving our international problems by talking with Iran and other countries with which we are at odds, and performing other miscellaneous miracles as needed.

There is, of course, not a speck of evidence that Obama has ever transcended party differences in the United States Senate. Voting records analyzed by the National Journal show him to be the farthest left of anyone in the Senate. Nor has he sponsored any significant bipartisan legislation -- nor any other significant legislation, for that matter.

Senator Obama is all talk -- glib talk, exciting talk, confident talk, but still just talk.

Some of his recent talk in San Francisco has stirred up controversy because it revealed yet another blatant contradiction between Barack Obama's public image and his reality.

Speaking privately to supporters in heavily left-liberal San Francisco, Obama let down his hair and described working class people in Pennsylvania as so "bitter" that they "cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them."

Like so much that Obama has said and done over the years, this is standard stuff on the far left, where guns and religion are regarded as signs of psychological dysfunction -- and where opinions different from those of the left are ascribed to emotions ("bitter" in this case), rather than to arguments that need to be answered.

Like so many others on the left, Obama rejects "stereotypes" when they are stereotypes he doesn't like but blithely throws around his own stereotypes about "a typical white person" or "bitter" gun-toting, religious and racist working class people.

In politics, the clearer a statement is, the more certain it is to be followed by a "clarification," when people react adversely to what was plainly said.

Obama and his supporters were still busy "clarifying" Jeremiah Wright's very plain statements when it suddenly became necessary to "clarify" Senator Obama's own statements in San Francisco.

People who have been cheering whistle-blowers for years have suddenly denounced the person who blew the whistle on what Obama said in private that is so contradictory to what he has been saying in public. continued...

 However inconsistent Obama's words, his behavior has been remarkably consistent over the years. He has sought out and joined with the radical, anti-Western left, whether Jeremiah Wright, William Ayers of the terrorist Weatherman underground or pro-Palestinian and anti-Israeli Rashid Khalidi.

Obama is also part of a long tradition on the left of being for the working class in the abstract, or as people potentially useful for the purposes of the left, but having disdain or contempt for them as human beings.

Karl Marx said, "The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing." In other words, they mattered only in so far as they were willing to carry out the Marxist agenda.

Fabian socialist George Bernard Shaw included the working class among the "detestable" people who "have no right to live." He added: "I should despair if I did not know that they will all die presently, and that there is no need on earth why they should be replaced by people like themselves."

Similar statements on the left go back as far as Rousseau in the 18th century and come forward into our own times.

It is understandable that young people are so strongly attracted to Obama. Youth is another name for inexperience -- and experience is what is most needed when dealing with skillful and charismatic demagogues.

Those of us old enough to have seen the type again and again over the years can no longer find them exciting. Instead, they are as tedious as they are dangerous.
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2008, 03:23:26 PM »
There aren't many places he could have said that and not been booed off the stage.

Oh, there are tons of places where he would be lauded: they're all in Europe, where the dollar is getting killed.

That said, he had a point.

The folks he refers to are the remnants of Natural Selection.  If they could actively compete, they wouldn't require their described binkies.  If they CAN compete, they are not threatened by such observations.   rolleyes
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Re: Obama spits on PA and American values in comments to SF liberals
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2008, 06:14:34 PM »
binkies?  What exactly are you talking about? 
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