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American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« on: August 10, 2007, 08:08:33 AM »
I've never seen this before, but I LOVE the song....

Pretty cool:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ycgegp0KdE4
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« Reply #1 on: August 10, 2007, 08:21:59 AM »
that was very cool

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Re: American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« Reply #2 on: August 10, 2007, 08:42:54 AM »
I like American Pie, but I like Starry Starry Night better.
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« Reply #3 on: August 10, 2007, 08:45:53 AM »
Paint your paletes blue and grey.....


If my feeble memory serves me well, that songs name was "Vincent"
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Re: American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« Reply #4 on: August 10, 2007, 08:58:59 AM »
Yeah, "Vincent" was to have supposed to have been about Vincent Van Gogh.

Just imagine where music, tv and music videos would have been had the Big Bopper lived.

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BTW, both Buddy Holly and the Big Bopper were Texans.
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Re: American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« Reply #5 on: August 10, 2007, 09:12:11 AM »
I saw a special about the painting "Starry Night" on TV.

They determined where he was when he painted it and discovered the moon and stars were astronomically correct in the sky of the painting for the time and location. They may have actually determined the location from the star location.

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« Reply #6 on: August 10, 2007, 09:32:18 AM »
It's known exactly where Van Gogh was when he painted Starry Night. Saint Remey in June of 1889. They even know which inn, and which room, Van Gogh had at the time. It's still standing.

Given, though, that the village in the painting is an invention (Saint Reym looked nothing like that in 1889), it might be a stretch to stand on a hill and say that "this is exactly where Van Gogh was when he painted Starry Night."
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« Reply #7 on: August 10, 2007, 12:01:22 PM »
That's one of my favorite paintings.  I have a big reproduction of it.

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2007, 12:24:02 PM »
Thanks, ma-hole.  Interesting.

They didn't explain the connection between the Rolling Stones and the Hell's Angels.  Didn't they hired the Hell's Angels as bodyguards or something? 

I've also heard that the line about the music not playing at the sacred store had to do with changes at record stores in the sixties.  Where the stores had been in the habit of playing records for customers, they eventually quit doing that.  Maybe you old dudes would know something about that? 


Also, the video says that the pick-up truck mentioned in the song represents sexual potency.  That's silly. 
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Re: American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2007, 12:30:23 PM »
ever see the documentary Gimme Shelter?
http://imdb.com/title/tt0065780/


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altamont_Free_Concert

The Altamont Free Concert was a famous rock concert held on December 6, 1969 at the then-disused Altamont Speedway in Northern California, between Tracy and Livermore. Headlined and organized by the The Rolling Stones, it also featured, in order of performance: Santana, Jefferson Airplane, The Flying Burrito Brothers, and Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young, with the Stones taking the stage as the final act.[1] The Grateful Dead were also scheduled to perform between CSNY and the Stones, but canceled at the last minute owing to the ensuing circumstances at the venue. Approximately 300,000 people attended the concert, and some speculated it would be "Woodstock West." Filmmakers Albert and David Maysles and Charlotte Zwerin shot footage of the concert and incorporated it into a subsequent documentary film entitled Gimme Shelter.


By some accounts, the Angels were hired to be security by the Rolling Stones on recommendation from the Grateful Dead for $500 and free beer, a story Carter and Barger both vehemently denied. According to Stones' road manager Sam Cutler, "the only agreement there ever was...the Angels would make sure nobody *expletive deleted*ed with the generators, but that was the extent of it. But there was no 'They're going to be the police force' or anything like that. That's all bollocks."[3] Hell's Angel member Sweet William recalled this exchange between himself and Cutler at a meeting prior to the concert, where Cutler had asked them to do security:
"We don't police things. We're not a security force. We go to concerts to enjoy ourselves and have fun."
"Well, what about helping people out - you know, giving directions and things?"
"Sure, we can do that."
When Cutler asked how they would like to be paid, William replied, "we like beer."[4] Other accounts verify that the initial arrangement was for the Angels to watch over the equipment, but that Cutler later moved the Angels, and their beer, near the stage in order to settle them down or to protect the stage. Hells Angels had provided security at Grateful Dead shows in the past without reported violence, and some have speculated that the Rolling Stones thought that their experience with the Angels would be a peaceful affair [citation needed].
Crowd management proved to be difficult: many spectators were injured and four died. Over the course of the day, the Hells Angels became increasingly agitated and violent. They had been drinking alcohol and taking drugs; and they may have been concerned at having to control such an enormous crowd[citation needed]. The Angels used sawed-off pool cues in order to control the crowd. After one of the Angel's motor bikes was knocked over, the Angels became even more aggressive, even toward the performers onstage. Marty Balin of Jefferson Airplane was knocked unconscious following an altercation with an Angel on stage as seen in the documentary film Gimme Shelter.[5] The Grateful Dead refused to play following the Balin incident, and left the venue.
The organizers hoped to ease tensions in the crowd by having the Stones perform early, but it took hours before the Stones could take the stage. Accusations that Mick Jagger did not want to take the stage during daylight hours due to the filming of the concert have been voiced in the past, but in commentary on the official Gimme Shelter DVD, it is reported that Stones bassist Bill Wyman was having difficulties reaching the venue.
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Re: American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2007, 12:34:13 PM »
Yeah.  Peace and harmony, brothers.   smiley
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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2007, 12:42:25 PM »
heres another piece of music history:
Warren Zevon's last live performance:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhRRWwH3Fro

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2007, 12:51:28 PM »
The idea that the Stones, and Mick Jagger in particular, were so naieve about the Hells Angels has always astounded me. While outlaw bikers in those days sometimes had long hair and did drugs, that's where any commonality between them and the "flower children" ended. They were rough guys, often violent, and sometimes criminal. (Sonny Barger went on to make a lot of money dealing cocaine).

One of my favorite scenes in "Gimme Shelter" was when Jagger was prancing like a peacock, and one of the Angels looks him up and down like he was from Mars.

"Flower power." Ugh.

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2007, 02:21:34 PM »
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The Angels used sawed-off pool cues in order to control the crowd.

And I'll bet they didn't have NFA tax stamps on those pool cues, either  laugh
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« Reply #14 on: August 10, 2007, 03:07:43 PM »
read "The Letters of Van Gogh" ...

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« Reply #15 on: August 10, 2007, 03:18:07 PM »
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It's known exactly where Van Gogh was when he painted Starry Night. Saint Remey in June of 1889. They even know which inn, and which room, Van Gogh had at the time. It's still standing.

It was  a long long time ago...  that I saw the show where they surmised the stars were astrologically correct. I really don't remember all the details.

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« Reply #16 on: August 10, 2007, 03:39:53 PM »
I don't really doubt that the stars are relatively correctly placed in the painting. I'm just saying it's very doubtful that one could actually look at the painting and say "Van Gogh stood here on June 17 1889 and painted this sky."

A painting, especially by an impressionist like Van Gogh, simply won't convey that kind of accuracy. I truly suspect that what the TV show actually did was more or less confirm that Van Gogh painted the sky as he saw it in June 1889.

Not surprising, really. Van Gogh liked working from models. His friend, Gaughin, hated working from models, he like to work mainly from his mind.

Supposedly the two tried an experiment. They both went into a room. Gaughin tried drawing a still life of what was outside the room's window, while Van Gogh had to come up with a still life without looking at it.

They both hated it, and they both produced crappy drawings.

True or not, I don't know, but it certainly does mesh with what's known about the two.
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« Reply #17 on: August 10, 2007, 04:34:39 PM »
One thing you may or may not know is van gogh sketched for seven years before he ever touched paint and IIRC all his paintings were done in the last 4 years of his life. He felt if you were't adept at sketching you couldn't possibly paint. I had the opportunity a long time ago to see a collection of his sketches in a museum in Seattle. I've been a fan ever since. My favorite paintings are the sunflowers...
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« Reply #18 on: August 10, 2007, 05:44:42 PM »
Van Gogh is ok, but of the artists of that period I truly prefer Cezanne.
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Van Gogh is ok, but of the artists of that period I truly prefer Cezanne.
I must disagree.  Cezanne was privileged; his work is flat and lifeless compared to Van Gogh, who suffered tremendously.  Not only from poverty, but mental illness also.

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« Reply #20 on: August 10, 2007, 06:02:39 PM »
Priveledge has nothing to do with artistic talent.

Whistler was priveledged and produced great work.

Singer Sergeant was priveledged and produced incredible work.

Albert Pinkham Ryder was priveledged, and produced some of the most incredibly symbolic paintings ever seen in American art.

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« Reply #21 on: August 10, 2007, 06:03:03 PM »
American Pie
The analysis and interpretation of Don McLean's song lyrics
A long, long time ago...

      "American Pie" reached #1 in 1972, shortly after it was released. Buddy Holly ; unfortunately, died in 1959.

I can still remember how That music used to make me smile. And I knew if I had my chance, That I could make those people dance, And maybe they'd be happy for a while.

      Sociologists credit teenagers with the popularity of Rock and Roll, as a part of the Baby boomer generation, they found themselves in a very influencial position. Their shear number were the force behind most of our country's recent major transitions. McLean was a teenager in 1959 and he begins by simply commenting that the music had an appealing quality to him as well as the millions of other teens. McLean also had an intense desire to entertain as a musician. His dream, to play in a band at high school dances, was the dream of many young boys who wanted to make people dance to Rock and Roll.

But February made me shiver,

      Buddy Holly died on February 3, 1959, in a plane crash in Iowa during a snowstorm. Its rumored that the name of the plane was: American Pie.

With every paper I'd deliver,

      Don McLean's only job besides being a full-time singer/song writer was being a paperboy.

Bad news on the doorstep... I couldn't take one more step. I can't remember if I cried When I read about his widowed bride

      Holly's recent bride was pregnant when the crash took place; she had a miscarriage shortly afterward.

But something touched me deep inside, The day the music died.

      The same plane crash that killed Buddy Holly also tragically took the lives of Richie Valens ("La Bamba") and The Big Bopper ("Chantilly Lace.") Since all three were so prominent at the time, February 3, 1959, became known as "The Day The Music Died."

So...

(Refrain) Bye bye Miss American Pie,

      **Don McLean dated a Miss America candidate during a pageant and broke up with her on February 3, 1959. (Unconfirmed interpretation)

So its probably...

      Just a reference to the plane, "American Pie" that crahed.

I drove my Chevy to the levee but the levee was dry, Them good ol' boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye Singing "This'll be the day that I die, This'll be the day that I die."

      Driving the Chevy to the levee almost certainly refers to the three college students whose murder was the subject of the film 'Mississippi Burning.' The students were attempting to register as black voters, and after being killed by bigoted thugs their bodies were buried in a levee. Them good ol' boys being: Holly, Valens, and the Big Bopper, They were singing about their death on February 3. One of Holly's hits was "That'll be the Day"; the chorus contains the line "That'll be the day that I die."

(Verse 2) Did you write the book of love,

      "The Book of Love" by the Monotones; hit in 1958."Oh I wonder, wonder who... who, who wrote the book of love?"

And do you have faith in God above, If the Bible tells you so?

      **In 1955, Don Cornell did a song entitled "The Bible Tells Me So." It was difficult to tell if it was what McLean was referencing. Anyone know for sure?

      There is also an old Sunday School song that goes:"Jesus loves me this I know, for the Bible tells me so" McLean was somewhat religious.

Now do you believe in rock 'n roll?

      The Lovin' Spoonful had a hit in 1965 with John Sebastian's "Do you Believe in Magic?". The song has the lines: "Do you believe in magic" and "It's like trying to tell a stranger 'bout rock and roll."

Can music save your mortal soul? And can you teach me how to dance real slow?

      Music was believed to "save the soul" and slow dancing was an important part of early rock and roll dance events. Dancing declined in importance through the 60's as things like psychedelia and the 10-minute guitar solo gained prominence.

      McLean was asking many questions about the early rock 'n roll in an attempt to keep it alive or find out if it was already dead.

Well I know that you're in love with him 'Cause I saw you dancing in the gym

      Back then, dancing was an expression of love,and carried a connotation of commitment. Dance partners were not so readily exchanged as they would be later.

You both kicked off your shoes

      A reference to the beloved "sock hop." (Street shoes tear up wooden basketball floors, so dancers had to take off their shoes.)

Man, I dig those rhythm 'n' blues

      Before the popularity of rock and roll, music, like much elsewhere in the U. S., was highly segregated. The popular music of black performers for largely black audiences was called, first "race music," later softened to rhythm and blues. In the early 50s, as they were exposed to it through radio personalities such as Allan Freed, white teenagers began listening, too. Starting around 1954, a number of songs from the rhythm and blues charts began appearing on the overall popular charts as well, but usually in cover versions by established white artists, (e.g."Shake Rattle and Roll," Joe Turner, covered by Bill Haley; "Sh-Boom, "the Chords, covered by the Crew-Cuts; "Sincerely," the Moonglows, covered by the McGuire Sisters; Tweedle Dee, LaVerne Baker, covered by Georgia Gibbs). By 1955, some of the rhythm and blues artists, like Fats Domino and Little Richard were able to get records on the overall pop charts.In 1956 Sun records added elements of country and western to produce the kind of rock and roll tradition that produced Buddy Holly.

I was a lonely teenage broncin' buck With a pink carnation and a pickup truck

      "A White Sport Coat (And a Pink Carnation), "was a hit for Marty Robbins in 1957. The pickup truck has endured as a symbol of sexual independence and potency, especially in a Texas context.(Also, Jimmy Buffet does a song about "a white sport coat and a pink crustacean.":-) )

But I knew that I was out of luck The day the music died I started singing...

Refrain

(Verse 3) Now for ten years we've been on our own

      McLean was writing this song in the late 60's,about ten years after the crash.

And moss grows fat on a rolling stone

      It's unclear who the "rolling stone" is supposed to be. It could be Dylan, since "Like a Rolling Stone" (1965) was his first major hit; and since he was busy writing songs ex-tolling the virtues of simple love, family and contentment while staying at home (he didn't tour from '66 to '74) and raking in the royalties. This was quite a change from the earlier, angrier Dylan.

      The "rolling stone" could also be Elvis Presley, although I don't think he started to pork out by the late sixties. he-he!

      It could refer to rock and rollers, and the changes that had taken place in the business in the 60's, especially the huge amounts of cash some of them were beginning to make, and the relative stagnation that entered the music at the same time.

      Or, it could refer to the Rolling Stones themselves, many musicians were angry at the Stones for "selling out." I discovered that John Foxx of Ultravox was sufficiently miffed to write a song titled "Life At Rainbow's End (For All The Tax Exiles On Main Street)." The Stone sat one point became citizens of some other country merely to save taxes.

But that's not how it used to be When the jester sang for the King and Queen

      The jester is Bob Dylan, as will become clear later. There are several interpretations of king and queen: some think that Elvis Presley is the king, which seems rather obvious. The queen is said to be either Connie Francis or Little Richard. See the next note.

      An alternate interpretation is that this refers to the Kennedys -- the King and Queen of "Camelot" -- who were present at a Washington DC civil rights rally featuring Martin Luther King. (There'sa recording of Dylan performing at this rally. The Jester.)

      The third interpretation is that the jester could be Lee Harvey Oswald who sang (shouted) before he was shot for the murder of the King (JFK).

In a coat he borrowed from James Dean

      In the movie "Rebel Without a Cause," James Dean has a red windbreaker that holds symbolic meaning throughout the film (see note at end). In one particularly intense scene, Dean lends his coat to a guy who is shot and killed; Dean's father arrives, sees the coat on the dead man, thinks it's Dean, and loses it. On the cover of "The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan," Dylan is wearing just such a red windbreaker, posed in a street scene similar to movie starring James Dean.

      Bob Dylan played a command performance for the Queen of England. He was *not* properly attired, so perhaps this is a reference to his apparel.

And a voice that came from you and me

      Bob Dylan's roots are in American folk music,with people like Pete Seeger and Woody Guthrie. Folk music is by definition the music of the masses, hence the "...came from you and me."

Oh, and while the King was looking down The jester stole his thorny crown

      Likely a reference to Elvis' decline and Dylan's ascendance (i.e. Presley is looking down from a height as Dylan takes his place). Consider that Elvis was is the army at the time of Dylan's ascendancy and a common Army marching song sings, "Ain't no use in looking down, ain't no discharge on the ground". The thorny crown might be a reference to the price of fame. Dylan has said that he wanted to be as famous as Elvis, one of his early idols.

or...

      Lee Harvey Oswald being the jester who ended the reign of JFK and "stole his crown."

or...

      A third interpretation is the quote made by John Lennon and taken out of context indicating that John felt The Beatles were more popular then Jesus. John and The Beatles took the crown from Christ.

The courtroom was adjourned, No verdict was returned.

      This could be the trial of the Chicago Seven.

but its more likely to be...

      The fact that no verdict was returned for the assassination of JFK because the assassin was killed so the court was adjourned.

And while Lennon read a book on Marx,
    Or it could be be...
And while Lenin rean a book on Marx,

      Someone has to introduce Vladamir Lenin, the father of Marxist communism, to the idealogy of Karl Marx.

I love the play on words here...

      Literally, John Lennon reading about Karl Marx; figuratively, the introduction of radical politics into the music of The Beatles. (Of course, he could be referring to Groucho Marx, but that doesn't seem quite consistent with McLean's overall tone. On the other hand, some of the wordplay in Lennon's lyrics and books is reminiscent of Groucho.)The "Marx-Lennon" word play has also been used by others, most notably the Firesign Theatre on the cover of their album "How Can You Be In Two Places At Once When You're Not Anywhere At All?" The Beatles "Here, There and Everywhere," for example. Also, a famous French witticism was "Je suis Marxiste, tendance Groucho. " (I'm a Marxist of the Groucho variety).

The quartet practiced in the park

      There are two schools of thought about this; the obvious one is The Beatles playing in Shea Stadium, but note that the previous line has John Lennon *doing something else at the same time*. This tends to support the theory that this is a reference to the Weavers, who were blacklisted during the McCarthy era. McLean had become friends with Lee Hays of the Weavers in the early 60's while performing in coffeehouses and clubs in upstate New York and New York City. He was also well acquainted with Pete Seeger; McLean, Seeger, and others took a trip on the Hudson river singing anti-pollution songs at one point. Seeger's LP "God Bless the Grass" contains many of these songs.


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« Reply #22 on: August 10, 2007, 06:03:24 PM »
And we sang dirges in the dark

      A "dirge" is a funeral or mourning song, so perhaps this is meant literally...or, perhaps, this is a reference to some of the new "art rock" groups that played long pieces not meant for dancing. In the dark of the death of Holly.

The day the music died. We were singing...

Refrain

(Verse 4) Helter Skelter in a summer swelter

      "Helter Skelter" is a Beatles song that appears on the "White" album. Charles Manson, claiming to have been "inspired"by the song (through which he thought God and/or the devil were taking to him) led his followers in the Tate-LaBianca murders.

      Is "summer swelter" a reference to the "Summer of Love" or perhaps to the "long hot summer" of Watts?

The birds flew off with the fallout shelter Eight miles high and falling fast

      Without a doubt this refers to the Byrds who helped launch David Crosby to super stardom. The Byrd's song "Eight Miles High" was found on their late 1966 release "Fifth Dimension." They recorded this song when some of the groups members were considering leaving (some of the groups members actually left the group because they refused to flyin an airplane). A fallout shelter was sometimes referred to as the fifth dimension because of the 1950's fascination with sci-fi and the futuristic appearance of a fallout shelter. This was one of the first records widely banned because of supposedly drug-oriented lyrics.

But...

      Another idea considers The Beatles' "Helter Skelter."A line from the song reads, 'I'm coming down fast but I'm miles above you.' The similarity is pretty obvious.

It landed foul on the grass

      One of the Byrds was busted for possession of marijuana.

The players tried for a forward pass

      Obviously a football metaphor, but about what?It could be the Rolling Stones, i.e., they were waiting for an opening that really didn't happen until The Beatles broke up.

      With regard to the next idea, the players maybe other musicians who received the opportunity to shine when Dylan was injured.

With the jester on the sidelines in a cast

      On July 29, 1966, Dylan crashed his Triumph 55 motorcycle while riding near his home in Woodstock, New York. He spent nine months in seclusion while recuperating from the accident. This gave a chance for many other artists to become noticed (see the next interpretation).

Now the half-time air was sweet perfume

      Drugs, man.

      Well, now, wait a minute; that's probably too obvious (wouldn't want to make it easy). It's possible that this line and the next few refer to the 1968 Democratic National Convention. The "sweet perfume" is probably tear gas.

      It could be the fact the since Dylan was temporarily out of the picture, the future looked bright for many artists. The Stones, for example, may have been given a brief chance.

While sergeants played a marching tune

      Following from the second thought above, the sergeants would be the Chicago Police and the Illinois National Guard, who marched protesters out of the park where the Convention was being held and into jail.

      Alternatively, this could refer to The Beatles' "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band." Or, perhaps McLean refers to The Beatles' music as "marching" because it's not music for dancing.

      Or, finally, the "marching tune" could be the draft.

      **(What did the Stones release in '66??)

We all got up to dance Oh, but we never got the chance

      The Beatles' 1966 Candlestick Park concert only lasted 35 minutes. But at this point The Beatles were not "Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band" (1967)

      Or, following on from the previous comment, perhaps she was considering the hippies who were protesting the Convention. They were known for playing their own folk music.

'Cause the players tried to take the field, The marching band refused to yield.

      Some folks think this refers to either the 1968 Democratic Convention or Kent State. If the players are the protesters at Kent State, and the marching band the Ohio National Guard...

      This could be a reference to the dominance of The Beatles on the rock and roll scene. For instance, the Beach Boys released "Pet Sounds" in 1966 -- an album that featured some of the same sort of studio and electronic experimentation as "Sgt. Pepper" (1967). The album sold poorly because of The Beatles.

      The other Beatles reference here refers to the Monkees. The Monkees were merely actors (or players), they were not a true band but a fabrication attempting to replicate The Beatles. The players tried to take the place of the Fab Four but the band wouldn't step down.

      Or finally, this might be a comment that follows up on the earlier reference to the draft: the government/military industrial-complex establishment refused to accede to the demands of the peace movement.

Do you recall what was revealed, The day the music died?

      **Check for any controversies released on Feb3, 1959.

We started singing

Refrain

(Verse 5) And there we were all in one place

      Woodstock.

A generation lost in space    

      Some people think this is a reference to the US space program, which it might be (the first moon landing took place in '69); but that seems a bit too literal. Perhaps this is a reference to hippies, who were sometimes known as the "lost generation," partially because of their particularly acute alienation from their parents, and partially because of their presumed preoccupation with drugs (which was referred to as being "spaced-out.")

      Being on drugs was sometimes termed -- being lost in space because of the TV show, "Lost in Space," whose title was usedas a synonym for someone who was rather high... I keep hoping that McLean had better taste. :-)

With no time left to start again

      The "lost generation" spent too much time being stoned, and had wasted their lives. Or, perhaps, their preferences for psychedelia had pushed rock and roll so far from Holly's music that it couldn't be retrieved.

So come on Jack be nimble Jack be quick

      Probably a reference to Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones; "Jumpin' Jack Flash" was released in May 1968.

Jack Flash sat on a candlestick

      **The Stones' Candlestick park concert? (unconfirmed)

      Jack Flash is also a cockney slang term for pharmaceutical heroin. If you know how to use heroin, you understand the reference.

'Cause fire is the devil's only friend

      It's possible that this is a reference to the Grateful Dead's "Friend of the Devil."

      An alternate interpretation of the last four lines is that they may refer to Jack Kennedy and his quick decisions during the Cuban Missile Crisis; the candlesticks/fire refer to ICBMs and nuclear war.

And as I watched him on the stage, my hands were clenched in fists of rage; No angel born in hell, could break that Satan's spell

      While playing a concert at the Altamont Speedway in 1968, the Stones appointed members of the Hell's Angels to work security (on the advice of the Grateful Dead). In the darkness near the front of the stage, a young man named Meredith Hunter was beaten and stabbed to death -- by the Angels. Public outcry that the song "Sympathy for the Devil"(because of "satan's spell") had somehow incited the violence and caused the Stones to drop the song from their show for the next six years. This incident is chronicled in the documentary film "Gimme Shelter."

      It's also possible that McLean views the Stones as being negatively inspired (he had an extensive religious background)because of "Sympathy for the Devil," "Their Satanic Majesties' Request"and so on. This is a bit puzzling, since the early Stones recorded a lot of "roots" rock and roll, including Buddy Holly's "Not Fade Away."

And as the flames climbed high into the night, To light the sacrificial rite

      The most likely interpretation is that McLean is still talking about Altamont, and in particular Mick Jagger's prancing and posing and "climbing high" while it was happening. Or the bonfires around the area could provide the flames. The sacrifice is Meredith Hunter.

      (It could be a reference to Jimi Hendrix burning his Stratocaster at the Monterey Pop Festival, but that was in 1967 and this verse is no doubt set in 1968.)

I saw Satan laughing with delight

      If the above is correct, then Satan would be Jagger.

The day the music died He was singing...

Refrain

(Verse 6) I met a girl who sang the blues

      Ms. Janis Joplin, the lady of the blues.

And I asked her for some happy news But she just smiled and turned away

      Janis died of an accidental (accidental my ass!)heroin overdose on October 4, 1970.

Or...

      The girl might be Roberta Flack. Its rumored that she wrote, "Killing Me Softly (with his song)," in response to this lyric in his song.

I went down to the sacred store Where I'd heard the music years before

      There are two interpretations of this: The "sacred store" was Bill Graham's Fillmore West, one of the great rock and roll venues of all time. Alternatively, this refers to record stores, and their long time (then discontinued) practice of allowing customers to preview records in the store. (What year did the Fillmore West close?)

      It could also refer to record stores as "sacred" because this is where one goes to get "saved." (See above lyric "Can music save your mortal soul?")

But the man there said the music wouldn't play

      Perhaps he means that nobody is interested in hearing Buddy Holly et. al.'s music? Or, as above, the discontinuation of the in-store listening booths.

And in the streets the children screamed

      "Flower children" being beaten by police and National Guard troops; in particular, perhaps, the People's Park riots in Berkeley in 1969 and 1970.

      It is possible that this refers to the Vietnamese children. Life magazine was famous for publishing horrifying photos of children in Vietnam during the Vietnamese War.

The lovers cried and the poets dreamed

      The trend toward psychedelic music in the 60's?Or again the hippies who were both great lovers and poets who would then be crying because of the difficulties of their struggle and dreaming of peace.

But not a word was spoken The church bells all were broken

      It could be that the broken bells are the dead musicians: neither can produce any more music.

And the three men I admire most The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost

      Holly, The Big Bopper, and Valens -- or -- **Hank Williams, Presley, and Holly (check this) --or -- JFK, Martin Luther King, and Bobby Kennedy -- or -- or simply the Catholic aspects of the deity. McLean had attended several Catholic schools.

They caught the last train for the coast

      Could be a reference to wacky California religions, or it could just be a way of saying that they've left (or died -- western culture has used "went west" as a synonym for dying). Or, perhaps this is a reference to the famous "God is Dead" headline in the New York Times. Some have suggested that this is an oblique reference to a line in Procol Harum's "Whiter Shade of Pale," but I'm not sure I'd buy that; firstly, all of McLean's musical references are to much older roots: rock and roll songs; and secondly, I think it's more likely that this line shows up in both songs simply because it's a common cultural metaphor.

The day the music died

      This tends to support the conjecture that the"three men" were Holly/Bopper/Valens, since this says that they left us on the day the music died.

And they were singing...

Refrain (2x)

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Re: American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« Reply #23 on: August 10, 2007, 07:51:49 PM »
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Re: American Pie: The meanin g behind the song?
« Reply #24 on: August 10, 2007, 08:00:04 PM »
RileyMC, with all due respect: if Don McLean were, say, a Saul Bellow or a John Updike, I could see wading into the lyrics of his one-hit wonder song so deeply.

But McLean wasn't an author with a message or mindset or philosophy to deliver. He was simply there when the wheel went 'round, and he got a song on the charts.

But, I have to admit that I'm prejudiced. I always hated that damn song.